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Instead of the current modern COA would File:Coat of arms Macedonia ancient.svg work better. The Quill ( talk) 17:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The sun of Vergina is a copyrighted Pan-Hellenic national cultural symbol of Greece and represents the culture and history of Greece used by all cities and states of Greece representing Helios the Greek Sun God. The Argead Dynasty of the ancient Greeks from Argos who founded the Macedonian Royal house also used it for their Dynasty. It is not a representative of a wider administrative unit while under foreign occupation and it does not represent the newly founded Republic of the Former Yugoslavia in any way, as per the interim accord signed by the government of the newly founded Slavic country. This template is clearly not representative of Greece but of the Slavic country and thus use of this Greek cultural trademark for the template is inappropriate. Vergiotisa ( talk) 14:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
About these [1] edits: for reasons of reader friendliness / ergnonomics, navboxes should not contain links that are mere section redirects, when the full target article already has its separate entry in the navbox. If a reader is on the page History of the Republic of Macedonia and sees a link to "Ancient history" in the navbox, they will naturally expect to be taken to a separate article with more information. If they click on that link and find themselves back on the same page, only some paragraphs down (where they can't even see the page title to verify they are still on the same page), it will be highly confusing to them.
That said, Mactruth, if you see somebody has objections against your edits and you don't understand those objections, it is your task to initiate a discussion on talk, rather than mechanically edit-war your version back in. You are back to your old disruptive habits, and probably will have to be sanctioned again soon if you don't mend your ways. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
We need to clarify the question, and to reach a consensus, what part of the history of the area of present -day Republic of Macedonia, which gained independence in 1991 for the first time, to be included in this template. Paeonia, Macedon, Dardania, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Bulgarian and Serbian Empires also overlaped Republic Macedonia's territory at some point of the history. Jingiby ( talk) 15:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
My suggestion. Jingiby ( talk) 07:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Are there any objections to replace the current template with the last proposal. Jingiby ( talk) 08:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to make a request that the template name is reverted back to "Republic of Macedonia" from the recently changed name "History of Macedonia" as this template is clearly about the Newly founded Slavic country and not about the ancient kingdom or modern province of Macedonia, in Greece. As the Wikipedia naming convention clearly states, "If there is an issue with disambiguation, the country will be referred to as "Republic of Macedonia" ". There is clearly an issue with disambiguation.
I would also like it noted that under Article 2 of the UNESCO Declaration on Cultural Diversity that guarantees the harmonious interaction of peoples with a diverse identity, the use of simply "Macedonia" to describe the Former Yugoslav Republic is in violation of Greece's equal right to identify simply as "Macedonia" its historical province on the northern Greek peninsula. It is for this reason that the official name of the country internationally is the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and not simply the Republic of "Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". This is misleading and untrue.
The slow movement towards renaming everything by simply "Macedonia" regarding the Former Yugoslavic Republic in Wikipedia not only destroys the credibility of Wikipedia and violates the interim accord signed under the auspices of the United Nations between Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic that standardized the name to be used but it also gives credence to universities and media who do not view Wikipedia as a credible encyclopedia but as a den for propaganda, interests and agendas. I am sure this direction is not one of the pillars the founders of Wikipedia intended or envisioned for their encyclopaedia or its reputation.
Thank you for your consideration. Vergiotisa ( talk) 14:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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Instead of the current modern COA would File:Coat of arms Macedonia ancient.svg work better. The Quill ( talk) 17:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The sun of Vergina is a copyrighted Pan-Hellenic national cultural symbol of Greece and represents the culture and history of Greece used by all cities and states of Greece representing Helios the Greek Sun God. The Argead Dynasty of the ancient Greeks from Argos who founded the Macedonian Royal house also used it for their Dynasty. It is not a representative of a wider administrative unit while under foreign occupation and it does not represent the newly founded Republic of the Former Yugoslavia in any way, as per the interim accord signed by the government of the newly founded Slavic country. This template is clearly not representative of Greece but of the Slavic country and thus use of this Greek cultural trademark for the template is inappropriate. Vergiotisa ( talk) 14:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
About these [1] edits: for reasons of reader friendliness / ergnonomics, navboxes should not contain links that are mere section redirects, when the full target article already has its separate entry in the navbox. If a reader is on the page History of the Republic of Macedonia and sees a link to "Ancient history" in the navbox, they will naturally expect to be taken to a separate article with more information. If they click on that link and find themselves back on the same page, only some paragraphs down (where they can't even see the page title to verify they are still on the same page), it will be highly confusing to them.
That said, Mactruth, if you see somebody has objections against your edits and you don't understand those objections, it is your task to initiate a discussion on talk, rather than mechanically edit-war your version back in. You are back to your old disruptive habits, and probably will have to be sanctioned again soon if you don't mend your ways. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
We need to clarify the question, and to reach a consensus, what part of the history of the area of present -day Republic of Macedonia, which gained independence in 1991 for the first time, to be included in this template. Paeonia, Macedon, Dardania, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Bulgarian and Serbian Empires also overlaped Republic Macedonia's territory at some point of the history. Jingiby ( talk) 15:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
My suggestion. Jingiby ( talk) 07:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Are there any objections to replace the current template with the last proposal. Jingiby ( talk) 08:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:History of Macedonia has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to make a request that the template name is reverted back to "Republic of Macedonia" from the recently changed name "History of Macedonia" as this template is clearly about the Newly founded Slavic country and not about the ancient kingdom or modern province of Macedonia, in Greece. As the Wikipedia naming convention clearly states, "If there is an issue with disambiguation, the country will be referred to as "Republic of Macedonia" ". There is clearly an issue with disambiguation.
I would also like it noted that under Article 2 of the UNESCO Declaration on Cultural Diversity that guarantees the harmonious interaction of peoples with a diverse identity, the use of simply "Macedonia" to describe the Former Yugoslav Republic is in violation of Greece's equal right to identify simply as "Macedonia" its historical province on the northern Greek peninsula. It is for this reason that the official name of the country internationally is the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and not simply the Republic of "Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". This is misleading and untrue.
The slow movement towards renaming everything by simply "Macedonia" regarding the Former Yugoslavic Republic in Wikipedia not only destroys the credibility of Wikipedia and violates the interim accord signed under the auspices of the United Nations between Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic that standardized the name to be used but it also gives credence to universities and media who do not view Wikipedia as a credible encyclopedia but as a den for propaganda, interests and agendas. I am sure this direction is not one of the pillars the founders of Wikipedia intended or envisioned for their encyclopaedia or its reputation.
Thank you for your consideration. Vergiotisa ( talk) 14:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)