This template originated because of discussion found at Talk:Eucharist#Template_creation_proposed. Feel free to edit, comment, critique, etc. KHM03 6 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
I think the template looks good, and is definately needed. However, I think perhaps instead of "Important People" it might be beter to say "Important Theologians" or something. Alternatively, we should add Jesus & St. Paul to the list, as they definately qualify as "important people" in regard to the Eucharist. Otherwise, I think it looks good. -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 01:49 (UTC)
Done! Any other suggestions? KHM03 6 July 2005 16:28 (UTC)
(Sorry, JHCC...didn't see that you were doing it as well... KHM03 6 July 2005 16:31 (UTC))
I think the inclusion of Mass is fine, but would question the inclusion of Alexander Schmemann. The folks I listed all made essential contributions to sacramental theology. I did not even include John Wesley, founder of my own tradition, because while he wrote extensively on the Eucharist, he didn't make any invaluable contributions to the subject (he was Anglican via Orthodoxy, essentially). Alexander Schmemann, and others, have undoubtedly made wonderful contributions in more recent times, but the folks I think we should include should be foundational figures. What does everyone else think? KHM03 6 July 2005 17:40 (UTC)
The problem is that we could end up with a huge template. For my money, no one articulated the beauty and importance of the Eucharist like the Wesley boys...but they made no significant contribution to Eucharistic theology. We could probably list a dozen or so Catholic theologians on there as well, but it would be nice to have a neat, relatively concise template. At least that's my vision. KHM03 6 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)
One important theologian I see missing is Augustine; he's probably the most cited and most controversial figure in Eucharistic theology, since every side believes he supports thier position. (Arguments have been made that he professed transubstantiation, consubstantion, nosubstantiation, and a variety of positions in between.) -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 19:07 (UTC)
I'm against Corpus Christi (i's relevant as a celebration, but a bit obscure for a general template) but I think Eucharistic adoration is important, since 1) it's highly misunderstood, and 2) several of the articles with RC sections mention it. -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 19:13 (UTC)
Does Sacrament belong under "Theology" or "Related articles"? I'd think that the "Theology" section should only have specifically Eucharistic theology, and everything else (e.g., Chalice) under "Related articles". JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 18:08 (UTC)
We could probably haggle endlessly about what else to add, but what we have now is, as KHM03 puts it so well, a very good "overview of the essentials, the most important points and figures." I'm going to plug it into the Eucharist article so we can see how it looks. JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 20:13 (UTC)
I tried the template on the Consubstantiation article, and it hangs off the page by quite a bit. I wonder if this perhaps might be better as a horizontal template? I'm not sure what to do, but It doesn't look as nice on stubby articles such as Consubstantiation Mkmcconn (Talk) 6 July 2005 21:07 (UTC)
The link to Communion is unnecessary, since it is just a disamb page. Also, the The Lord's Supper article should just be merged with Eucharist. Then the "other terms" section of this template can be removed altogether.-- JW1805 17:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I deleted "Instituted by Jesus Christ" due to its being clearly POV (biased). The communion was, according to the Bible, instituted after Jesus's death. Anyone who belives Jesus did not rise from the grave does not believe Jesus instituted communion. That's a majority of Mankind. WAS 4.250 00:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
We should just rename this Template:Eucharist. It would be consistent with the names of all the articles it links to. PhageRules1 ( talk) 16:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
This image is not even "adequate." This image is highly POV because it shows the image of bread and chalice from one particular denomination-- the RCC. Do we have fight over who has the "best" denomination, or can we just use an image that can represent all Christianity?
Even if we did have an image that could be labled with those links (Sacramental bread, sacramental wine, paten, chalice), it would be much better to link to them elsewhere in the template. tahc chat 23:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Discounting the black background, the new image is superior; the old image had a black background too-please just crop it. Also, the current image seems to show leavened bread so it biased, unlike the vague bread of the new image. ScepticismOfPopularisation ( talk) 04:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
This template originated because of discussion found at Talk:Eucharist#Template_creation_proposed. Feel free to edit, comment, critique, etc. KHM03 6 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
I think the template looks good, and is definately needed. However, I think perhaps instead of "Important People" it might be beter to say "Important Theologians" or something. Alternatively, we should add Jesus & St. Paul to the list, as they definately qualify as "important people" in regard to the Eucharist. Otherwise, I think it looks good. -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 01:49 (UTC)
Done! Any other suggestions? KHM03 6 July 2005 16:28 (UTC)
(Sorry, JHCC...didn't see that you were doing it as well... KHM03 6 July 2005 16:31 (UTC))
I think the inclusion of Mass is fine, but would question the inclusion of Alexander Schmemann. The folks I listed all made essential contributions to sacramental theology. I did not even include John Wesley, founder of my own tradition, because while he wrote extensively on the Eucharist, he didn't make any invaluable contributions to the subject (he was Anglican via Orthodoxy, essentially). Alexander Schmemann, and others, have undoubtedly made wonderful contributions in more recent times, but the folks I think we should include should be foundational figures. What does everyone else think? KHM03 6 July 2005 17:40 (UTC)
The problem is that we could end up with a huge template. For my money, no one articulated the beauty and importance of the Eucharist like the Wesley boys...but they made no significant contribution to Eucharistic theology. We could probably list a dozen or so Catholic theologians on there as well, but it would be nice to have a neat, relatively concise template. At least that's my vision. KHM03 6 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)
One important theologian I see missing is Augustine; he's probably the most cited and most controversial figure in Eucharistic theology, since every side believes he supports thier position. (Arguments have been made that he professed transubstantiation, consubstantion, nosubstantiation, and a variety of positions in between.) -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 19:07 (UTC)
I'm against Corpus Christi (i's relevant as a celebration, but a bit obscure for a general template) but I think Eucharistic adoration is important, since 1) it's highly misunderstood, and 2) several of the articles with RC sections mention it. -- Essjay · Talk July 6, 2005 19:13 (UTC)
Does Sacrament belong under "Theology" or "Related articles"? I'd think that the "Theology" section should only have specifically Eucharistic theology, and everything else (e.g., Chalice) under "Related articles". JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 18:08 (UTC)
We could probably haggle endlessly about what else to add, but what we have now is, as KHM03 puts it so well, a very good "overview of the essentials, the most important points and figures." I'm going to plug it into the Eucharist article so we can see how it looks. JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 20:13 (UTC)
I tried the template on the Consubstantiation article, and it hangs off the page by quite a bit. I wonder if this perhaps might be better as a horizontal template? I'm not sure what to do, but It doesn't look as nice on stubby articles such as Consubstantiation Mkmcconn (Talk) 6 July 2005 21:07 (UTC)
The link to Communion is unnecessary, since it is just a disamb page. Also, the The Lord's Supper article should just be merged with Eucharist. Then the "other terms" section of this template can be removed altogether.-- JW1805 17:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I deleted "Instituted by Jesus Christ" due to its being clearly POV (biased). The communion was, according to the Bible, instituted after Jesus's death. Anyone who belives Jesus did not rise from the grave does not believe Jesus instituted communion. That's a majority of Mankind. WAS 4.250 00:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
We should just rename this Template:Eucharist. It would be consistent with the names of all the articles it links to. PhageRules1 ( talk) 16:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
This image is not even "adequate." This image is highly POV because it shows the image of bread and chalice from one particular denomination-- the RCC. Do we have fight over who has the "best" denomination, or can we just use an image that can represent all Christianity?
Even if we did have an image that could be labled with those links (Sacramental bread, sacramental wine, paten, chalice), it would be much better to link to them elsewhere in the template. tahc chat 23:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Discounting the black background, the new image is superior; the old image had a black background too-please just crop it. Also, the current image seems to show leavened bread so it biased, unlike the vague bread of the new image. ScepticismOfPopularisation ( talk) 04:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)