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Years
This template is a vertical mess. Any reason that we're splitting this by year, rather than a simple chronology in a single group, like practically every other musical artist navbox? --
woodensuperman 11:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Because I thought that my original version didn't look good and too cluttered:
[1]. I tried to use it and I think it is much better as it is now. I would have divided it by albums, but it wouldn't be chronological then. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 11:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
It shouldn't be divided at all. A single group with a single chronology is the best way to present this to the readers. This is the usual standard, and there is no reason to deviate from this here. --
woodensuperman 11:27, November 2017 (UTC)
I could point you to a thousand navboxes where we don't split, so showing me one example where it has been split is irrelevant (and
WP:OTHERSTUFF). Also, the navbox you point out is for her songs/singles only, so it's not even the same type. There is no justification for splitting them out here. It makes the navbox too vertical and messy. Please revert to a single group. --
woodensuperman 11:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
No, please don't do that. There is no justification for that here, as there aren't that many songs, and they are usually merged to the broader template anyway. --
woodensuperman 11:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
As I can see,
Primefac and
Plastikspork voted for the version that had her songs divided by albums. And then you came and changed it as you wanted:
[2]. I've also noticed some messages on you talk page. Some people think that what you do is disruptive. So you can't say everyone agrees with you. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 12:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
One might draw the same conclusion from reading the comments on your talk page too. --
woodensuperman 12:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Sadly, no-one else has joined the conversation. The fact remains that this navbox is a horrible mess and we need to do something about the singles section. We do not need navboxes this vertical. There is no justification to split them out by year. A single group with a single chronology is needed. Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{
Aphrodite's Child}}. We don't include The Police singles at {{
Sting}}, so the same logic should be applied here. --
woodensuperman 14:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
"Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{
Aphrodite's Child}}." — The people who compiled his compilations disagree with you. I guess they know better. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 14:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
This isn't about what is on a compilation album, it's about how we navigate Wikipedia, and how to avoid over-proliferation of navboxes, as over-proliferation hinders navigation. Note that they are not included at {{
Vangelis}}. --
woodensuperman 15:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Okay, I have an argument that will satisfy you. (I'm doing this simply because I don't want to waste time arguing.) He covered the songs solo. He even released these particular songs as singles. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 15:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
If that's the case, then it should be in the singles chronology at the point he released them as singles. Which would be 1987 if the articles are correct. Can we sort out the ridiculous number of groups now? --
woodensuperman 15:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
This has nothing to do with what people who released a compilation for commercial gain think. There are separate navboxes for each artist, so the singles should be divided accordingly. And the navbox must be improved and reduced to a single group for the singles chronology. It is an absolute disgrace as it stands, and you have given no justification as to why a split is necessary. We have multiple subgroups with only one entry, which is not acceptable, and it isn't even common practice to show the years, let alone break a navbox down by years. --
woodensuperman 15:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
3O Response: I see no reason to list the singles by year. Navboxes are meant to aid in navigation and are already cumbersome enough to not be included on mobile versions. Expanding it further to convey information that is rather unnecessary seems to go against the spirit of navboxes. As such, I believe the
current version should stand.
Nihlus 01:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Years
This template is a vertical mess. Any reason that we're splitting this by year, rather than a simple chronology in a single group, like practically every other musical artist navbox? --
woodensuperman 11:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Because I thought that my original version didn't look good and too cluttered:
[1]. I tried to use it and I think it is much better as it is now. I would have divided it by albums, but it wouldn't be chronological then. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 11:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
It shouldn't be divided at all. A single group with a single chronology is the best way to present this to the readers. This is the usual standard, and there is no reason to deviate from this here. --
woodensuperman 11:27, November 2017 (UTC)
I could point you to a thousand navboxes where we don't split, so showing me one example where it has been split is irrelevant (and
WP:OTHERSTUFF). Also, the navbox you point out is for her songs/singles only, so it's not even the same type. There is no justification for splitting them out here. It makes the navbox too vertical and messy. Please revert to a single group. --
woodensuperman 11:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
No, please don't do that. There is no justification for that here, as there aren't that many songs, and they are usually merged to the broader template anyway. --
woodensuperman 11:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
As I can see,
Primefac and
Plastikspork voted for the version that had her songs divided by albums. And then you came and changed it as you wanted:
[2]. I've also noticed some messages on you talk page. Some people think that what you do is disruptive. So you can't say everyone agrees with you. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 12:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
One might draw the same conclusion from reading the comments on your talk page too. --
woodensuperman 12:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Sadly, no-one else has joined the conversation. The fact remains that this navbox is a horrible mess and we need to do something about the singles section. We do not need navboxes this vertical. There is no justification to split them out by year. A single group with a single chronology is needed. Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{
Aphrodite's Child}}. We don't include The Police singles at {{
Sting}}, so the same logic should be applied here. --
woodensuperman 14:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
"Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{
Aphrodite's Child}}." — The people who compiled his compilations disagree with you. I guess they know better. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 14:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
This isn't about what is on a compilation album, it's about how we navigate Wikipedia, and how to avoid over-proliferation of navboxes, as over-proliferation hinders navigation. Note that they are not included at {{
Vangelis}}. --
woodensuperman 15:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Okay, I have an argument that will satisfy you. (I'm doing this simply because I don't want to waste time arguing.) He covered the songs solo. He even released these particular songs as singles. --
Moscow Connection (
talk) 15:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
If that's the case, then it should be in the singles chronology at the point he released them as singles. Which would be 1987 if the articles are correct. Can we sort out the ridiculous number of groups now? --
woodensuperman 15:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
This has nothing to do with what people who released a compilation for commercial gain think. There are separate navboxes for each artist, so the singles should be divided accordingly. And the navbox must be improved and reduced to a single group for the singles chronology. It is an absolute disgrace as it stands, and you have given no justification as to why a split is necessary. We have multiple subgroups with only one entry, which is not acceptable, and it isn't even common practice to show the years, let alone break a navbox down by years. --
woodensuperman 15:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)reply
3O Response: I see no reason to list the singles by year. Navboxes are meant to aid in navigation and are already cumbersome enough to not be included on mobile versions. Expanding it further to convey information that is rather unnecessary seems to go against the spirit of navboxes. As such, I believe the
current version should stand.
Nihlus 01:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)reply