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I do not know whether you are 5 years old or what, but this template is completely factually WRONG. IT CANNOT BE USED....You would get 10 times a "5" in any elementary school for this... INCREDIBLE! Juro 01:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Juro, insulting and destroying is not the way to work, alas you keep on going to re-revert. What to do? Is there anyone to help? Wiki-vr 12:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This article may be
confusing or unclear to readers. (December 2006) |
It's clear the horizontal axis represents time, but what does the vertical axis represent? There appear to be multiple overlapping attributes, and it's a little hard to parse. It would be good if both axis were labelled. -- Beland 01:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 21:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
cs:Template:Cs-timeline de:Template:Cs-timeline sk:Template:Cs-timeline
Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |
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Austria-Hungary ( Bohemia, Moravia, a part of Silesia, northern parts of the Kingdom of Hungary ( Slovakia and Carpathian Ruthenia) |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic
(since 1993) |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia (since 1993) |
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Annexed
Sudetenland by
German Reich
Annexed "Upper Hungary" by Hungary (1938–1945) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
I know this isn't perfect, but I tried to incorporate what you said CzechOut. Let me know what you think and how it can be improved. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I take it from your first comment that keeping various territories (sudetenland/upper hungary/carpat.ruth) in the same row is confusing? The numbered republics are informal, but i'm not sure how else to phrase it. Third Republic is at least used by the Library of Congress. The exile gov't would be good, and I wouldn't oppose including it, if you can fit it in nicely... especially if someone were to write an actual article on the cz gov't in exile, and their role during the war. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Czechoslovakia (or Czecho-Slovakia) 1918–1939; 1945–1992 |
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Yes, I think we we combine your y-axis with my x-axis would be great. I think the less items in the x-axis the better. There is no corresponding "state" for the czech coup, or the velvet revolution (not velvet divorce, which I guess was an accident?) which results in so many blank spaces on your template. In cases where certain regions are united, I don't think it's worth merging the rows. I guess I'm not sure the "czechoslovakia" row in your template is a good idea. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
1948-89 | 1989-92 |
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• Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
• Czech and Slovak |
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 19:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know... I'm not a big fan of mixing "history" articles with these "state" articles. I'd rather have the history sidebar expanded than try to include that stuff here. I think this template is mostly just necessary to show the legal status of the regions over time. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
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Sudetenland |
Austria-Hungary |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Annexed by
German Reich
(1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic (since 1993) |
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Czech lands |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Gov't |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia |
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Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia |
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Carpathian Ruthenia |
Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
Does this make it clearer? I've linked "Slovakia" in the left column to History of Slovakia rather than the modern state article. Please, let me know your thoughts. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully my previous edit acknowledges carpatho-ukraine independence properly, though I guess dates should be added. Did the Czechoslovak gov't in exile make claim to carpathro-ukraine & the sudenland or not? I'm not clear on this point. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
And as for "Upper Hungary" -- it was Hungary's after it was annexed, and so it makes sense to go with what they called it, no? I don't think Slovaks called it (or do call it) lower Slovakia... I don't know of a Slovak name for it. Unfortunately, many Hungarians still call it felvidek. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 05:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes it's biased, but in my experience, Czechs don't tend to approve of the term sudetenland either, and we're still using that. Anyway, hopefully my recent edit solves that problem. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I've tried to respond to your various points throughout this page today, so make sure you give a good hunt for the red, white and blue :) But, if I can sorta summarize:
All of those things are true, but I'm not sure it's reasonable to include them all in this table. It's already too large, really. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There a bunch of other timeline templates on wikipedia, but most of them are REALLY ugly. The only one I could find that looked anything like ours was this Template:EU-timeline, which has done a nice job of integrating the collapsible feature. Can we convert ours to this format when we're done? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to make some direct changes to the evolving template, but didn't want to risk messing up your last version. Plus, the section was getting too damned long. So here goes:
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |||
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Sudetenland |
Austria-Hungary |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Gov't |
Annexed by
German Reich
(1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic (since 1993) |
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Czech lands |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia |
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Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
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Slovakia |
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Carpathian Ruthenia |
Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
Well, if we're going to switch over — and I like the format of this collapsable box better — we might as well start now:
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990)
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Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but claimed by Gov't in Exile | |||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile (1940-1945) claims legitimate authority over all First Republic territories |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | ||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
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Slovakia (since 1993) | |||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Hmmmm, gonna have to stop there for a bit. Need some help actually. Can you please take a look at the code to figure out where I've gone wrong on the rightmost parts of the timeline? It suddenly refuses to put stuff into the next column. Thanks! (Oh, and I don't expect these to be the final colors. Just placeholding color for the moment!) CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand the changes you've made, but I'm not sure most people would. I'm worried it's going to end up overly confusing. It's a template, not an article - we don't have to be perfect in our depiction. Dates and lines don't match up throughout, and we can't do much about this. What about reverting to the last change, but, as you've done, increasing the gov't in exile box and including " Edward Benes' gov't in exile (1939-1945)" ? Maybe we should just create a gov't in exile stub, making all this a little easier? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 04:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's it exactly. I'm not a big fan of the "german occupation never conceded" box either. It's confusing because it's a different colour than the annexation by germany and precedes it. I think it should be pretty obvious that a government in exile opposes the annexation of its territory by outsiders, no? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Then we'll but it after the 2nd Rep/Annexation with it's official date of recognition. The article itself can describe the origins of the gov't in exile, including the Benes' flight and the Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee. If 2nd republic is really the non-sequitur, we'll paint it a different colour, rather than the gov't in exile, which claimed continuation? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
You read my mind. =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Annexation disputed by Benes government | Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990)
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Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | |
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
President Edvard Beneš establishes Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee in 1939 which becomes a government-in-exile (1940-1945) |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | ||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
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Slovakia (since 1993) | |||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Heh, again with the edit conflicts. Luckily, we're both on the same basic track, but mine is sufficiently visually different that I thought it best (and, okay, easier) to just copy it and put it here. That way we can treat the one above as sorta "where we are at the moment" and play with this one. We both had the simultaneous idea of giving up the ghost on the 1938 start to the GIE, but mine includes a reference to the CNLC, which did exist in 1939 and acted like a government. 1940 is a technical start to the government, and exists only because that's when they got international recognition. But they'd been concluding international treaties at least as early as late 1939.
I dunno how stupid an idea this is, but what do you think of creating obvious color mixtures when things intersect? If we make the GIE color the same as the 1st Rep. color, then when it intersects with the yellow of German occupation, it would make orange. Probably a dumb idea, but it's all I could think of. I tried also using a picture as a background, thinking that if we uploaded a pattern or two we might be able to use them, but simply setting the "background" variable to an image name didn't work like it does with simple HTML. If this concept works for you, we'd ultimately bleed it to the right as well. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, here's another copy-and-paste job. These are colors I would basically prefer, though I'm certainly open to suggestion. i didn't like the yellow for Nazi-influenced changes, but instead think all that should be different shades of the same color (red, in this example). Yellow seems more natural for the Ukrainian bit. I also think a darker grey for the Czech Republic and white for the Slovak Republic implies that the two came from the grey dating back to the First Republic. Green for Austro-Hungary seems logical as a prominent color of the Hungarian flag.
I have to disagree with omitting the CNLC. As the GIE now makes clear, the evolution from the Committee to the Government is an important part of the institution's complicated history.
Were there other movements for a substitute government? Yeah, but the only one with a half-decent claim to continuity of government, given that even the Soviet Union recognized it, is the Benes one. Incidentally, it's not that that there was a separate government in Moscow, so much as the Czechoslovak Communist Party in exile under Klement Gottwald. One could say that because he ultimately ascended to the top of Czechoslovak politics, he was a president-in-waiting, I suppose. But he needed the institution of the Benes' government (and the Constitution of 1920) to effect his rise. Czechoslovakia is a bit different than other Warsaw pact nations in that it elected to have communism under a democratic constitution. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 05:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Oh, btw, I love your very elegant solution to the "timeline of the GIE" problem. That lil strip under the Sudeten annexation was very clever indeed :) CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. I'll transfer it. CzechOut, it's been a pleasure working with you. Hope to see you around in the future. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution (1948-1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but never ceded by government-in-exile | ||||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Ugh. Just when I thought we were basically set, I've remembered a factual problem we never solved. The Third Republic is not usually considered to be 1945-1960, just 1945-1948. (See, for example, item 15 on Columbia University's text-based timeline. Even Third Republic of Czechoslovakia links only to 1945-1948. Complicating matters is that there wasn't an actual name change after 1948, only a declared one. So the best solution I could think of was to just split the 1948-89 column in two, and include a note to that effect. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh, edit conflicts again. Well, here's a bit of a start to the vertical orientation switch. It's a mess, but you can kinda see how much narrower it would be. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 22:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Sudetenland | Czech Lands outside Sudetenland |
Slovakia | Carpathian Ruthenia |
Origins of Czechoslovakia | Austro-Hungarian Empire | |||
1918–1938 | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) | |||
1938-1945 | Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) but never ceded by government-in-exile | Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia(ČSR)(1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine | ||
President
Edvard Beneš establishes Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee in 1939 which becomes a government-in-exile and a continuation of the First Republic (1940-1945) | ||||
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) | ||
1945-48 | Third Republic of Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) | Territories annexed by the Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) | ||
1948-89 | Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (declared to be a "people's republic" without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution (1948-1960) | |||
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including: Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) | ||||
1989–1992 | Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic & Slovak Republic | Zakarpattia Oblast of Ukraine (since 1991) | ||
Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | Czech Republic (since 1993) | Slovakia (since 1993) |
Okay, here it is more or less finished. Wasn't quite sure how to do the lil strip thingie for "not ceded by the GIE", and I didn't really reorient the text in the boxes to the new format, but this is the width, if not the exact length, that we're gonna get out of it. Do you like this better or worse than the horizontal orientation? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 23:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd say horizontal is much better. Thanks for all the work though... now we know for sure. =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Now that we've gone live, just one more niggling question. Should it be that thing displays collapsed by default, forcing the viewer to expand it only if they want to look at it? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I thought we were done, but it seems the Navbox format we were using has been deprecated. We got a little unexpected "help" with the conversion, which I've reverted for now, but looking at those changes, I managed to figure out how collapsible tables might work. The only thing I can't figure out is how to keep "Government-in-Exile" from moving out of its box. Is it just my computer that's doing that, or do you see it too? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 |
1945– 1948 |
1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
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Sudetenland | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) | Annexed by
German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but never ceded by government-in-exile | ||||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government in Exile |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) Regions annexed by Hungary |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho- Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
This now looks okay at 1042x768. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Now seriously, looking over the debates, what was so wrong with the old design? The new one looks like something I would do, and that's saying something. :) It is confusing (and as such defies its purpose) and out of line with the vast majority of such templates which have the dates on the x-axis rather than y. As it looks now I would assume on first glance that CR was in the past subordinate somehow to Nazi Germany and that Subcarpathian Ruthenia is currently subordinate to AuH. Additionally, separating Sudetenland from the Czech lands is not a Good Thing™. You can have it separated 'inside' the Czech lands column/row (similar to 'Regions of Slovakia annexed by Hungary'), but Sudetenland cannot be on its own column/row equal in status with Slovakia and Ruthenia. + Hexagon1 ( t) 03:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 | 1945 – 1948 | 1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
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Czech Lands | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Sudetenland Annexed by Nazi Germany (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Nazi
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Sth. Slovakia and
Carpatho- Ukraine Annexed by Hungary (1939-1945) | ||||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) | ||||||||
Czechoslovak Government in Exile |
Like those above, this looks fine on my screen right now, but I think the reason the axis was switched was because users reading at 640x480 will get a really distorted image. Try changing your resolution and see what happens. I agree though, the current template with time on the vertical axis is really confusing. The old one was more clear visually, but less clear in terms of links. I'm not sure what to do. Now that you mention it, you might be right that a separate category for the Sudetenland is a bad idea. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 19:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 |
1945– 1948 |
1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
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Czech Lands | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) Full boundaries and government established by the 1920 constitution |
Sudetenland and
Czech Silesia annexed by Nazi Germany (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Sth. Slovakia and
Carpatho- Ukraine Awarded to Hungary (1939-1945) | ||||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) | ||||||||
Czechoslovak government-in-exile |
I quite like it and support the above version, but since it has the same issue as the last version, you may find your edit gets reverted before too long. =( - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, Munich Agreement needs to be mentioned. The victors of WW1 created Czechoslovakia, and regarding the Sudetenland, which was denied the right of self-determination, they rectified their error 2 decades later. -- Matthead Discuß 17:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Rockreader (
talk) 12:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC): Hi! I find the time on horizontal versions easier to read. Does that help you?
For the sake of storage, if no more, here's a version of the current template that includes some grid lines. Might be too confusing again, though.
213.246.91.158 (
talk) 08:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
The table is missing a link to a general history page of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia, or Czech lands or even more precisely Czechia (yes, really). I therefore suggest following changes: MrGreg ( talk) 13:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit: I would also like to suggest colour changes, to denote and differentiate democratic, communist and nazi-occupation parts of history of Czechoslovakia. MrGreg ( talk) 13:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
@R9tgokunks: This change was for a whole month on this talk page without anyone protesting + the edit stayed without any change for a two months "live" ... I don't really get, why would you revert it now. Oh and since when is "just no." acceptable argument for making an edit?? ... Discuss before editing. Cheers. MrGreg ( talk) 12:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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I do not know whether you are 5 years old or what, but this template is completely factually WRONG. IT CANNOT BE USED....You would get 10 times a "5" in any elementary school for this... INCREDIBLE! Juro 01:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Juro, insulting and destroying is not the way to work, alas you keep on going to re-revert. What to do? Is there anyone to help? Wiki-vr 12:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This article may be
confusing or unclear to readers. (December 2006) |
It's clear the horizontal axis represents time, but what does the vertical axis represent? There appear to be multiple overlapping attributes, and it's a little hard to parse. It would be good if both axis were labelled. -- Beland 01:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 21:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
cs:Template:Cs-timeline de:Template:Cs-timeline sk:Template:Cs-timeline
Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |
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Austria-Hungary ( Bohemia, Moravia, a part of Silesia, northern parts of the Kingdom of Hungary ( Slovakia and Carpathian Ruthenia) |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic
(since 1993) |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia (since 1993) |
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Annexed
Sudetenland by
German Reich
Annexed "Upper Hungary" by Hungary (1938–1945) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
I know this isn't perfect, but I tried to incorporate what you said CzechOut. Let me know what you think and how it can be improved. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I take it from your first comment that keeping various territories (sudetenland/upper hungary/carpat.ruth) in the same row is confusing? The numbered republics are informal, but i'm not sure how else to phrase it. Third Republic is at least used by the Library of Congress. The exile gov't would be good, and I wouldn't oppose including it, if you can fit it in nicely... especially if someone were to write an actual article on the cz gov't in exile, and their role during the war. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Czechoslovakia (or Czecho-Slovakia) 1918–1939; 1945–1992 |
---|
Yes, I think we we combine your y-axis with my x-axis would be great. I think the less items in the x-axis the better. There is no corresponding "state" for the czech coup, or the velvet revolution (not velvet divorce, which I guess was an accident?) which results in so many blank spaces on your template. In cases where certain regions are united, I don't think it's worth merging the rows. I guess I'm not sure the "czechoslovakia" row in your template is a good idea. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
1948-89 | 1989-92 |
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• Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
• Czech and Slovak |
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 19:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know... I'm not a big fan of mixing "history" articles with these "state" articles. I'd rather have the history sidebar expanded than try to include that stuff here. I think this template is mostly just necessary to show the legal status of the regions over time. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sudetenland |
Austria-Hungary |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Annexed by
German Reich
(1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic (since 1993) |
||
Czech lands |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Gov't |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia |
||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia |
|||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia |
Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
Does this make it clearer? I've linked "Slovakia" in the left column to History of Slovakia rather than the modern state article. Please, let me know your thoughts. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully my previous edit acknowledges carpatho-ukraine independence properly, though I guess dates should be added. Did the Czechoslovak gov't in exile make claim to carpathro-ukraine & the sudenland or not? I'm not clear on this point. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
And as for "Upper Hungary" -- it was Hungary's after it was annexed, and so it makes sense to go with what they called it, no? I don't think Slovaks called it (or do call it) lower Slovakia... I don't know of a Slovak name for it. Unfortunately, many Hungarians still call it felvidek. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 05:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes it's biased, but in my experience, Czechs don't tend to approve of the term sudetenland either, and we're still using that. Anyway, hopefully my recent edit solves that problem. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I've tried to respond to your various points throughout this page today, so make sure you give a good hunt for the red, white and blue :) But, if I can sorta summarize:
All of those things are true, but I'm not sure it's reasonable to include them all in this table. It's already too large, really. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There a bunch of other timeline templates on wikipedia, but most of them are REALLY ugly. The only one I could find that looked anything like ours was this Template:EU-timeline, which has done a nice job of integrating the collapsible feature. Can we convert ours to this format when we're done? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 21:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to make some direct changes to the evolving template, but didn't want to risk messing up your last version. Plus, the section was getting too damned long. So here goes:
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sudetenland |
Austria-Hungary |
First Republic of
Czechoslovakia |
Gov't |
Annexed by
German Reich
(1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) |
Czech and Slovak |
Czech Republic (since 1993) |
||
Czech lands |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia |
||||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia |
||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia |
Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine |
Well, if we're going to switch over — and I like the format of this collapsable box better — we might as well start now:
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990)
|
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but claimed by Gov't in Exile | |||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile (1940-1945) claims legitimate authority over all First Republic territories |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | ||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia (since 1993) | |||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Hmmmm, gonna have to stop there for a bit. Need some help actually. Can you please take a look at the code to figure out where I've gone wrong on the rightmost parts of the timeline? It suddenly refuses to put stuff into the next column. Thanks! (Oh, and I don't expect these to be the final colors. Just placeholding color for the moment!) CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand the changes you've made, but I'm not sure most people would. I'm worried it's going to end up overly confusing. It's a template, not an article - we don't have to be perfect in our depiction. Dates and lines don't match up throughout, and we can't do much about this. What about reverting to the last change, but, as you've done, increasing the gov't in exile box and including " Edward Benes' gov't in exile (1939-1945)" ? Maybe we should just create a gov't in exile stub, making all this a little easier? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 04:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's it exactly. I'm not a big fan of the "german occupation never conceded" box either. It's confusing because it's a different colour than the annexation by germany and precedes it. I think it should be pretty obvious that a government in exile opposes the annexation of its territory by outsiders, no? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Then we'll but it after the 2nd Rep/Annexation with it's official date of recognition. The article itself can describe the origins of the gov't in exile, including the Benes' flight and the Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee. If 2nd republic is really the non-sequitur, we'll paint it a different colour, rather than the gov't in exile, which claimed continuation? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 16:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
You read my mind. =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | ||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Annexation disputed by Benes government | Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990)
|
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | |
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
President Edvard Beneš establishes Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee in 1939 which becomes a government-in-exile (1940-1945) |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | ||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic
|
Slovakia (since 1993) | |||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Heh, again with the edit conflicts. Luckily, we're both on the same basic track, but mine is sufficiently visually different that I thought it best (and, okay, easier) to just copy it and put it here. That way we can treat the one above as sorta "where we are at the moment" and play with this one. We both had the simultaneous idea of giving up the ghost on the 1938 start to the GIE, but mine includes a reference to the CNLC, which did exist in 1939 and acted like a government. 1940 is a technical start to the government, and exists only because that's when they got international recognition. But they'd been concluding international treaties at least as early as late 1939.
I dunno how stupid an idea this is, but what do you think of creating obvious color mixtures when things intersect? If we make the GIE color the same as the 1st Rep. color, then when it intersects with the yellow of German occupation, it would make orange. Probably a dumb idea, but it's all I could think of. I tried also using a picture as a background, thinking that if we uploaded a pattern or two we might be able to use them, but simply setting the "background" variable to an image name didn't work like it does with simple HTML. If this concept works for you, we'd ultimately bleed it to the right as well. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, here's another copy-and-paste job. These are colors I would basically prefer, though I'm certainly open to suggestion. i didn't like the yellow for Nazi-influenced changes, but instead think all that should be different shades of the same color (red, in this example). Yellow seems more natural for the Ukrainian bit. I also think a darker grey for the Czech Republic and white for the Slovak Republic implies that the two came from the grey dating back to the First Republic. Green for Austro-Hungary seems logical as a prominent color of the Hungarian flag.
I have to disagree with omitting the CNLC. As the GIE now makes clear, the evolution from the Committee to the Government is an important part of the institution's complicated history.
Were there other movements for a substitute government? Yeah, but the only one with a half-decent claim to continuity of government, given that even the Soviet Union recognized it, is the Benes one. Incidentally, it's not that that there was a separate government in Moscow, so much as the Czechoslovak Communist Party in exile under Klement Gottwald. One could say that because he ultimately ascended to the top of Czechoslovak politics, he was a president-in-waiting, I suppose. But he needed the institution of the Benes' government (and the Constitution of 1920) to effect his rise. Czechoslovakia is a bit different than other Warsaw pact nations in that it elected to have communism under a democratic constitution. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 05:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Oh, btw, I love your very elegant solution to the "timeline of the GIE" problem. That lil strip under the Sudeten annexation was very clever indeed :) CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. I'll transfer it. CzechOut, it's been a pleasure working with you. Hope to see you around in the future. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins of Czechoslovakia | 1918–1938 | 1938-1945 | 1945-48 | 1948-89 | 1989–1992 | Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | |||
Sudetenland | Austro-Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution (1948-1960) |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but never ceded by government-in-exile | ||||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile |
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) |
Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
Ugh. Just when I thought we were basically set, I've remembered a factual problem we never solved. The Third Republic is not usually considered to be 1945-1960, just 1945-1948. (See, for example, item 15 on Columbia University's text-based timeline. Even Third Republic of Czechoslovakia links only to 1945-1948. Complicating matters is that there wasn't an actual name change after 1948, only a declared one. So the best solution I could think of was to just split the 1948-89 column in two, and include a note to that effect. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh, edit conflicts again. Well, here's a bit of a start to the vertical orientation switch. It's a mess, but you can kinda see how much narrower it would be. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 22:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Sudetenland | Czech Lands outside Sudetenland |
Slovakia | Carpathian Ruthenia |
Origins of Czechoslovakia | Austro-Hungarian Empire | |||
1918–1938 | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) | |||
1938-1945 | Annexed by German Reich (1938–1945) but never ceded by government-in-exile | Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia(ČSR)(1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho-Ukraine | ||
President
Edvard Beneš establishes Czechoslovak National Liberation Committee in 1939 which becomes a government-in-exile and a continuation of the First Republic (1940-1945) | ||||
Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia (1939–1945) | WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) | Newly independent Carpatho-Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) | ||
1945-48 | Third Republic of Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) | Territories annexed by the Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) | ||
1948-89 | Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (declared to be a "people's republic" without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution (1948-1960) | |||
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including: Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) | ||||
1989–1992 | Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including: Czech Republic & Slovak Republic | Zakarpattia Oblast of Ukraine (since 1991) | ||
Dissolution of Czechoslovakia | Czech Republic (since 1993) | Slovakia (since 1993) |
Okay, here it is more or less finished. Wasn't quite sure how to do the lil strip thingie for "not ceded by the GIE", and I didn't really reorient the text in the boxes to the new format, but this is the width, if not the exact length, that we're gonna get out of it. Do you like this better or worse than the horizontal orientation? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 23:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd say horizontal is much better. Thanks for all the work though... now we know for sure. =) - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 23:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Now that we've gone live, just one more niggling question. Should it be that thing displays collapsed by default, forcing the viewer to expand it only if they want to look at it? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:23, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I thought we were done, but it seems the Navbox format we were using has been deprecated. We got a little unexpected "help" with the conversion, which I've reverted for now, but looking at those changes, I managed to figure out how collapsible tables might work. The only thing I can't figure out is how to keep "Government-in-Exile" from moving out of its box. Is it just my computer that's doing that, or do you see it too? - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 |
1945– 1948 |
1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sudetenland | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) | Annexed by
German Reich (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
but never ceded by government-in-exile | ||||||||||
Czech Lands outside of Sudetenland |
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Czechoslovak Government in Exile |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) Regions annexed by Hungary |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Newly independent Carpatho- Ukraine annexed by Hungary (1939) | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) |
This now looks okay at 1042x768. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Now seriously, looking over the debates, what was so wrong with the old design? The new one looks like something I would do, and that's saying something. :) It is confusing (and as such defies its purpose) and out of line with the vast majority of such templates which have the dates on the x-axis rather than y. As it looks now I would assume on first glance that CR was in the past subordinate somehow to Nazi Germany and that Subcarpathian Ruthenia is currently subordinate to AuH. Additionally, separating Sudetenland from the Czech lands is not a Good Thing™. You can have it separated 'inside' the Czech lands column/row (similar to 'Regions of Slovakia annexed by Hungary'), but Sudetenland cannot be on its own column/row equal in status with Slovakia and Ruthenia. + Hexagon1 ( t) 03:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 | 1945 – 1948 | 1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Czech Lands | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) |
Sudetenland Annexed by Nazi Germany (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Nazi
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Sth. Slovakia and
Carpatho- Ukraine Annexed by Hungary (1939-1945) | ||||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) | ||||||||
Czechoslovak Government in Exile |
Like those above, this looks fine on my screen right now, but I think the reason the axis was switched was because users reading at 640x480 will get a really distorted image. Try changing your resolution and see what happens. I agree though, the current template with time on the vertical axis is really confusing. The old one was more clear visually, but less clear in terms of links. I'm not sure what to do. Now that you mention it, you might be right that a separate category for the Sudetenland is a bad idea. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 19:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Timeline | Origins | 1918 – 1938 | 1938 – 1945 |
1945– 1948 |
1948 – 1989 | 1989 – 1992 | Dissolution | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Czech Lands | Austro - Hungarian Empire | First Republic of
Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) Full boundaries and government established by the 1920 constitution |
Sudetenland and
Czech Silesia annexed by Nazi Germany (1938–1945) |
Third Republic of
Czechoslovakia (ČSR) (1945–1948) |
Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR) (1948–1960) Declared a "people's democracy" (without a formal name change) under the Ninth-of-May Constitution |
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR) (1960–1990) Including Czech Socialist Republic & Slovak Socialist Republic (1969-1990) |
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (ČSFR) (1990-1992) Including Czech Republic & Slovak Republic |
Czech Republic (since 1993) | ||
Second Republic of Czecho-Slovakia (ČSR) (1938–1939) Including autonomous regions of Slovakia and Carpatho- Ukraine |
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939–1945) | |||||||||
Slovakia |
WWII Slovak Republic (1939–1945) |
Slovakia (since 1993) | ||||||||
Sth. Slovakia and
Carpatho- Ukraine Awarded to Hungary (1939-1945) | ||||||||||
Carpathian Ruthenia | Territories annexed by the
Ukrainian SSR (1944/1946–1991) |
Zakarpattia Oblast of
Ukraine (since 1991) | ||||||||
Czechoslovak government-in-exile |
I quite like it and support the above version, but since it has the same issue as the last version, you may find your edit gets reverted before too long. =( - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 15:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, Munich Agreement needs to be mentioned. The victors of WW1 created Czechoslovakia, and regarding the Sudetenland, which was denied the right of self-determination, they rectified their error 2 decades later. -- Matthead Discuß 17:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Rockreader (
talk) 12:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC): Hi! I find the time on horizontal versions easier to read. Does that help you?
For the sake of storage, if no more, here's a version of the current template that includes some grid lines. Might be too confusing again, though.
213.246.91.158 (
talk) 08:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
The table is missing a link to a general history page of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia, or Czech lands or even more precisely Czechia (yes, really). I therefore suggest following changes: MrGreg ( talk) 13:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit: I would also like to suggest colour changes, to denote and differentiate democratic, communist and nazi-occupation parts of history of Czechoslovakia. MrGreg ( talk) 13:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
@R9tgokunks: This change was for a whole month on this talk page without anyone protesting + the edit stayed without any change for a two months "live" ... I don't really get, why would you revert it now. Oh and since when is "just no." acceptable argument for making an edit?? ... Discuss before editing. Cheers. MrGreg ( talk) 12:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC)