There is currently no overall general consensus on whether to forbid the practice of updating scores in real time, especially when many of these edits may come from new or unregistered users. Please follow the policies and guidelines of assume good faith, please do not bite the newcomers, and edit warring before reverting such edits. Although some WikiProjects like WikiProject Football and WikiProject Snooker may forbid the practice, a proposal to add the rule to the general " What Wikipedia is not" policy page failed with no consensus. |
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I have protected this template against editing by non-admins. The reason is that this template is being repeatedly vandalized, and it is currently on many articles related to the 2006 Winter Olympics. Johntex\ talk 02:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Well what do you guys think of adding the option of "small" like the protected templates have? In here I've played with it. I've also moved the image out in case of a protection so the images wont be over eachother. if small=yes the big thing disappears. Chandler talk 14:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Saying "Information may change as the event progresses" seemed silly, since the score always changes. I changed it to "Information will change as the event progresses", but that had an unnecessarily bald-faced air to it. I finally settled on "Scoring and other results will change as the event progresses", which seems like a decent compromise. — Steve Summit ( talk) 16:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
So, seeing as lower down templates are being deleted, e.g. Current motor sport etc, I think we shouldn't have a football on the template page, but something more neutral and generic. The same goes for the future sport template. D.M.N. ( talk) 20:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In using the image parameter, I propose to have a set of images coded with an #switch statement to maintain some sort of consistency. Otherwise, for example, one tennis article may have a different image than another tennis article. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Category:Current sports events has almost 600 articles listed. I was wondering if it might be possible to have Category:Current American football events, Category:Current basketball events, etc.? We could use the template to place them in the new categories based on what image is being used. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 16:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Why don't use Parser Functions to determine the usage of image and text in this template? It can save more times for user to look back at the image. I can try to do it if someone agree. -- Aleen f1 09:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Should the wording be changed from "information may change" to "information will change?" I mean, an article about a current sports event necessarily will change, won't it? faithless (speak) 04:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I've recently started to apply the "current event" guidelines (which I've added to this (and others) template's documentations) to this template and received some opposition, so I'd like to start a discussion here about whether the guidelines should exist in the first place, and whether they should be applied accordingly.
My position, obviously, is that these guidelines should exist and that they should be applied. Why? Let's have a look at why templates like this one were created in the first place: Template:Current - the first one of its kind - was initially created for articles about big, current events that received dozens of edits per minute. It was a note for our readers (and not our editors) that the article containing the template is being edited heavily (indicating that the article might contain vandalism, outdated information or that checking back in an hour might be a good idea). That spawned countless other templates (like this one) about anything that can be considered "current". For some reason, along the way, the initial idea of a "current event" template was forgotten, and the templates were being applied everywhere, as if there is a reason to notify our readers of anything that is currently ongoing. Not in the article itself, but in a box on top of that article. There is, quite frankly, no point in doing this, and I presume people are simply doing it because they think that's how it's always been done. It's not. So I've started to apply the guidelines from Template:Current to other "current" templates as well, which, IMHO, only makes sense. If it doesn't to you, I'm more than happy to listen to the counter-arguments and discuss this. -- Conti| ✉ 15:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
What harm does this template do anyway? The template indicates that the article is about a current sport event which information may change as the event progresses. When a reader opens the article, he/she can immediately know if the event is still current, without the need of finding out reading the introduction or further information. These templates are removed when the event ends (it is not left on the article) so... what problem is there of having these templates? If the template (as Conti says) is for rapid editing, then the template must say so or a new template must be created for these type of articles. Qampunen ( talk) 22:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I've had another user protest the inclusion of this template at pages like 2012 Championship League and 2012 Masters (snooker) while the events are ongoing, on the basis that the template's documentation doesn't specify how many edits per day are needed before this template applies, and he doesn't feel their editing frequency, for match updates, qualifies (see edit summaries, and User talk:Armbrust#Template:Current sport, where Armbrust suggest that the template shouldn't be used except where there are 30+ edits per day). My perception is that articles like this, with their level of editing while the events are happening, are precisely what this template is for. Thirty changes per days seems like an excessively high bar to me; basically, this template is relevant when it is likely that a reader will see substantially different information on the same day, e.g. between morning and evening readings, because the event has been updated.
I think this relates strongly to, but does not entirely overlap, the guidelines thread immediately above. The overall issue is that this template doesn't seem to have any criteria at all, internal to its documentation or externally in guidelines, for its use. As a result, it is an editwarring target. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 21:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Surely this should be "latest updates" or "most recent updates"? "Last" implies something far more finite and is therefore grammatically incorrect. Leaky caldron ( talk) 09:32, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
There is currently no overall general consensus on whether to forbid the practice of updating scores in real time, especially when many of these edits may come from new or unregistered users. Please follow the policies and guidelines of assume good faith, please do not bite the newcomers, and edit warring before reverting such edits. Although some WikiProjects like WikiProject Football and WikiProject Snooker may forbid the practice, a proposal to add the rule to the general " What Wikipedia is not" policy page failed with no consensus. |
Sports Template‑class | ||||||||||||||
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Current events | ||||
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I have protected this template against editing by non-admins. The reason is that this template is being repeatedly vandalized, and it is currently on many articles related to the 2006 Winter Olympics. Johntex\ talk 02:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Well what do you guys think of adding the option of "small" like the protected templates have? In here I've played with it. I've also moved the image out in case of a protection so the images wont be over eachother. if small=yes the big thing disappears. Chandler talk 14:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Saying "Information may change as the event progresses" seemed silly, since the score always changes. I changed it to "Information will change as the event progresses", but that had an unnecessarily bald-faced air to it. I finally settled on "Scoring and other results will change as the event progresses", which seems like a decent compromise. — Steve Summit ( talk) 16:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
So, seeing as lower down templates are being deleted, e.g. Current motor sport etc, I think we shouldn't have a football on the template page, but something more neutral and generic. The same goes for the future sport template. D.M.N. ( talk) 20:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In using the image parameter, I propose to have a set of images coded with an #switch statement to maintain some sort of consistency. Otherwise, for example, one tennis article may have a different image than another tennis article. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Category:Current sports events has almost 600 articles listed. I was wondering if it might be possible to have Category:Current American football events, Category:Current basketball events, etc.? We could use the template to place them in the new categories based on what image is being used. -- Pinkkeith ( talk) 16:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Why don't use Parser Functions to determine the usage of image and text in this template? It can save more times for user to look back at the image. I can try to do it if someone agree. -- Aleen f1 09:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Should the wording be changed from "information may change" to "information will change?" I mean, an article about a current sports event necessarily will change, won't it? faithless (speak) 04:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I've recently started to apply the "current event" guidelines (which I've added to this (and others) template's documentations) to this template and received some opposition, so I'd like to start a discussion here about whether the guidelines should exist in the first place, and whether they should be applied accordingly.
My position, obviously, is that these guidelines should exist and that they should be applied. Why? Let's have a look at why templates like this one were created in the first place: Template:Current - the first one of its kind - was initially created for articles about big, current events that received dozens of edits per minute. It was a note for our readers (and not our editors) that the article containing the template is being edited heavily (indicating that the article might contain vandalism, outdated information or that checking back in an hour might be a good idea). That spawned countless other templates (like this one) about anything that can be considered "current". For some reason, along the way, the initial idea of a "current event" template was forgotten, and the templates were being applied everywhere, as if there is a reason to notify our readers of anything that is currently ongoing. Not in the article itself, but in a box on top of that article. There is, quite frankly, no point in doing this, and I presume people are simply doing it because they think that's how it's always been done. It's not. So I've started to apply the guidelines from Template:Current to other "current" templates as well, which, IMHO, only makes sense. If it doesn't to you, I'm more than happy to listen to the counter-arguments and discuss this. -- Conti| ✉ 15:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
What harm does this template do anyway? The template indicates that the article is about a current sport event which information may change as the event progresses. When a reader opens the article, he/she can immediately know if the event is still current, without the need of finding out reading the introduction or further information. These templates are removed when the event ends (it is not left on the article) so... what problem is there of having these templates? If the template (as Conti says) is for rapid editing, then the template must say so or a new template must be created for these type of articles. Qampunen ( talk) 22:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I've had another user protest the inclusion of this template at pages like 2012 Championship League and 2012 Masters (snooker) while the events are ongoing, on the basis that the template's documentation doesn't specify how many edits per day are needed before this template applies, and he doesn't feel their editing frequency, for match updates, qualifies (see edit summaries, and User talk:Armbrust#Template:Current sport, where Armbrust suggest that the template shouldn't be used except where there are 30+ edits per day). My perception is that articles like this, with their level of editing while the events are happening, are precisely what this template is for. Thirty changes per days seems like an excessively high bar to me; basically, this template is relevant when it is likely that a reader will see substantially different information on the same day, e.g. between morning and evening readings, because the event has been updated.
I think this relates strongly to, but does not entirely overlap, the guidelines thread immediately above. The overall issue is that this template doesn't seem to have any criteria at all, internal to its documentation or externally in guidelines, for its use. As a result, it is an editwarring target. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 21:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Surely this should be "latest updates" or "most recent updates"? "Last" implies something far more finite and is therefore grammatically incorrect. Leaky caldron ( talk) 09:32, 4 February 2024 (UTC)