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For split seasons, I added parenthetical notes to clarify who selected whom. However, we need to have some discussion of which selectors should be included. The chart at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS list certain selectors in bold after 1950, reflecting a consensus that those are major selectors. For the period after 1950, those seem like the ones we ought to include on the template for split seasons. However, before 1950, there is no similar use of bold; this may be due to the fact that only the AP is considered a major selector from 1936 to 1949? If yes, then it may best to include only the AP selections. If no, then we need to discuss which selectors to include/exclude for the 1936-1949 time period. 08:08, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I propose to remove the Bowl Alliance, Bowl Coalition, Bowl Championship Series and College Football Playoff champions from this navbox and create a separate template for those national champions since 1992. Each of the championship teams for the 1992 through the 2013 seasons won a post-season, single-game championship game that paired the no. 1 and no. 2-ranked teams in the country; for the 2014 and 2015 seasons the eventual champions had to win a semi-final playoff game that paired the no. 1 and no. 4-ranked teams and the no. 2 and no. 3-ranked teams, with the winners matched in the championship game. Combining a list of national champions who won an actual championship game, between top-ranked teams, on the field, with poll era champions is sorting apples with pears, especially for those poll era champions that lost their bowl game or were the selection of minor selectors. Apples and pears, and we should respect the differences by not combining them -- just as we have separated the pre-poll era, retroactively awarded "champions" from the champions of the AP Poll era. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:31, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
This navbox purports to encompass "College football national champions (poll era)." It links to the College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS article rather than the specific College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS#Poll era (1936–present) section. That "Poll era" section includes only AP and Coaches content, while this navbox includes BS, FWAA, INS, FN, etc.
While the eras and included/omitted selectors has always had complexity, I've specifically disliked the execution of this navbox because it doesn't convey the inclusion criteria which then creates a false impression that this is exhaustive and/or official. It is neither.
I'd like to see 1) agreement on the inclusion criteria (AP and Coaches are my quick reaction based on the associated article section), and 2) the TBD inclusion criteria added as text within a footer row. Withholding similar feedback on sibling "era" navboxes pending agreement on changes if any to this one. Any thoughts? UW Dawgs ( talk) 05:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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For split seasons, I added parenthetical notes to clarify who selected whom. However, we need to have some discussion of which selectors should be included. The chart at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS list certain selectors in bold after 1950, reflecting a consensus that those are major selectors. For the period after 1950, those seem like the ones we ought to include on the template for split seasons. However, before 1950, there is no similar use of bold; this may be due to the fact that only the AP is considered a major selector from 1936 to 1949? If yes, then it may best to include only the AP selections. If no, then we need to discuss which selectors to include/exclude for the 1936-1949 time period. 08:08, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I propose to remove the Bowl Alliance, Bowl Coalition, Bowl Championship Series and College Football Playoff champions from this navbox and create a separate template for those national champions since 1992. Each of the championship teams for the 1992 through the 2013 seasons won a post-season, single-game championship game that paired the no. 1 and no. 2-ranked teams in the country; for the 2014 and 2015 seasons the eventual champions had to win a semi-final playoff game that paired the no. 1 and no. 4-ranked teams and the no. 2 and no. 3-ranked teams, with the winners matched in the championship game. Combining a list of national champions who won an actual championship game, between top-ranked teams, on the field, with poll era champions is sorting apples with pears, especially for those poll era champions that lost their bowl game or were the selection of minor selectors. Apples and pears, and we should respect the differences by not combining them -- just as we have separated the pre-poll era, retroactively awarded "champions" from the champions of the AP Poll era. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:31, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
This navbox purports to encompass "College football national champions (poll era)." It links to the College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS article rather than the specific College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS#Poll era (1936–present) section. That "Poll era" section includes only AP and Coaches content, while this navbox includes BS, FWAA, INS, FN, etc.
While the eras and included/omitted selectors has always had complexity, I've specifically disliked the execution of this navbox because it doesn't convey the inclusion criteria which then creates a false impression that this is exhaustive and/or official. It is neither.
I'd like to see 1) agreement on the inclusion criteria (AP and Coaches are my quick reaction based on the associated article section), and 2) the TBD inclusion criteria added as text within a footer row. Withholding similar feedback on sibling "era" navboxes pending agreement on changes if any to this one. Any thoughts? UW Dawgs ( talk) 05:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)