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This is a great template. I have a few suggestions/questions. First, why are some organizations shown by initials and some by their full names? Second, should we consider some criteria for including activists? I just added some important leaders who were missing (Farmer, Wilkins, Young). I'm no expert, but I'm very familiar with the civil rights movement, and some of the names were completely unfamiliar to me (Adams, Devine, Simkins). I'm not saying that they're not important activists, but I wonder whether the template should be limited to people with national stature? Anyway, as I wrote, I think it's a great template. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 03:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The Greensboro sit-ins are conspicuously missing from this timeline. Does anyone else agree that it should be included? Actually, the lunch counter sit-ins should be represented, but the only article I found was the Greensboro one. Toddst1 ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Thurgood Marshall (as a lawyer) is also missing from the template, IMO.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Observation: The template mostly focuses on the mid 20th century timeframe though the title just says Civil Rights Movement. The timeline article that is linked does cover the whole movement but that is the only thing that does. IMHO, that needs to be rethought a little. In other words, either the title needs to in some way say that it is restricting itself to the mid 20th century (in which case many articles that use this template need to be changed), or else the template contents need to be rewritten to cover the whole spectrum (e.g. Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington, W. E. B. Du Bois, etc.). Obviously the latter would mean removing some items that are there now and adding a number of others.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 19:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Amelia Boynton Robinson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.231.168.85 ( talk) 14:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Danny Lyon: Quoting Wikipedia, "After being accepted as the photographer for Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), Lyon was present at almost all of the major historical events during the Civil Rights Movement... he published his first photographs working for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. His pictures appeared in The Movement, a documentary book about the Civil Rights Movement in the southern region of the United States."
For more detail, see Danny Lyon#Involvement in the Civil_Rights_Movement, or his own book:
Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement. The Lyndhurst Series on the South. Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University; University of North Carolina, 1992. ISBN 9780807820544. Edited by Alex Harris.
(Reprinted as Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement. Santa Fe, NM: Twin Palms, 2010. ISBN 9781931885881.) Larry Koenigsberg ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I think this, or another, self-defence group would be a good addition to the template (looking at the names, none strike me as being 'armed', but I don't know much :P, just checked the Movement's article, it talks about the SNCC starting to advocate self-defence, but they quickly dissolved). Also, as has been noted there are lots of articles listed here... which leads me to think choosing the main names for here, and creating a "list of Activists/Groups in the African-American Civil Rights Movement" might be interesting. - ChrisWar666 ( talk) 19:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
@ Randy Kryn: If I find individuals, groups, and actions undertaken by opponents of civil rights workers, then where do I place them in this template? Examples:
Here are a few more individuals to add as proponents:
Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 02:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
This is already a really long template, but I'd like to suggest another section heading called "Notable locations". There really are hundreds of important places, like Brown Chapel A.M.E. Church (Selma, Alabama), Holt Street Baptist Church, Money, Mississippi, and the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Thanks for your input. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Further to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 May 17#Template:African-American Civil Rights Movement, it seems there was definitely consensus to trim the navbox (per Sandstein, myself, Mangokeylime, Kierzek and Izno) and some support for splitting this (per myself and Izno). How do you think we should handle this? I'd suggest splitting out the Activists and activists groups into their own navbox in order to reduce this one to manageable size. As I mentioned at the deletion discussion, I think a lot of the "Influences" section could be culled, as spurious and tangential, and I think the "Historians" section should probably be excised too, for the same reasons. I don't think that a navbox with collapsible groups is the right way forward. It isn't helpful to our readers, as this involves more clicking to find the articles required, and difficult to find the section of the navbox you are currently navigating. Also, adding redlinks in doesn't help reduce the size of the navbox (or aid navigation in any way), so I would kindly request that Mitchumch would have a read of WP:WTAF and stop adding them. Without articles, we cannot determine whether these songs are notable or even related to the topic. The exception for redlinks in navboxes is usually reserved where the reader is expecting complete sets of data. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Randy Kryn Why remove the wikilink? It was a key event of the CRM in 1963. Mitchumch ( talk) 00:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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This template was considered for deletion on 2016 May 17. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
This is a great template. I have a few suggestions/questions. First, why are some organizations shown by initials and some by their full names? Second, should we consider some criteria for including activists? I just added some important leaders who were missing (Farmer, Wilkins, Young). I'm no expert, but I'm very familiar with the civil rights movement, and some of the names were completely unfamiliar to me (Adams, Devine, Simkins). I'm not saying that they're not important activists, but I wonder whether the template should be limited to people with national stature? Anyway, as I wrote, I think it's a great template. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 03:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The Greensboro sit-ins are conspicuously missing from this timeline. Does anyone else agree that it should be included? Actually, the lunch counter sit-ins should be represented, but the only article I found was the Greensboro one. Toddst1 ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Thurgood Marshall (as a lawyer) is also missing from the template, IMO.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Observation: The template mostly focuses on the mid 20th century timeframe though the title just says Civil Rights Movement. The timeline article that is linked does cover the whole movement but that is the only thing that does. IMHO, that needs to be rethought a little. In other words, either the title needs to in some way say that it is restricting itself to the mid 20th century (in which case many articles that use this template need to be changed), or else the template contents need to be rewritten to cover the whole spectrum (e.g. Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington, W. E. B. Du Bois, etc.). Obviously the latter would mean removing some items that are there now and adding a number of others.
-- Mcorazao ( talk) 19:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Amelia Boynton Robinson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.231.168.85 ( talk) 14:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Danny Lyon: Quoting Wikipedia, "After being accepted as the photographer for Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), Lyon was present at almost all of the major historical events during the Civil Rights Movement... he published his first photographs working for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. His pictures appeared in The Movement, a documentary book about the Civil Rights Movement in the southern region of the United States."
For more detail, see Danny Lyon#Involvement in the Civil_Rights_Movement, or his own book:
Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement. The Lyndhurst Series on the South. Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University; University of North Carolina, 1992. ISBN 9780807820544. Edited by Alex Harris.
(Reprinted as Memories of the Southern Civil Rights Movement. Santa Fe, NM: Twin Palms, 2010. ISBN 9781931885881.) Larry Koenigsberg ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I think this, or another, self-defence group would be a good addition to the template (looking at the names, none strike me as being 'armed', but I don't know much :P, just checked the Movement's article, it talks about the SNCC starting to advocate self-defence, but they quickly dissolved). Also, as has been noted there are lots of articles listed here... which leads me to think choosing the main names for here, and creating a "list of Activists/Groups in the African-American Civil Rights Movement" might be interesting. - ChrisWar666 ( talk) 19:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
@ Randy Kryn: If I find individuals, groups, and actions undertaken by opponents of civil rights workers, then where do I place them in this template? Examples:
Here are a few more individuals to add as proponents:
Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 02:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
This is already a really long template, but I'd like to suggest another section heading called "Notable locations". There really are hundreds of important places, like Brown Chapel A.M.E. Church (Selma, Alabama), Holt Street Baptist Church, Money, Mississippi, and the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Thanks for your input. Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Further to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 May 17#Template:African-American Civil Rights Movement, it seems there was definitely consensus to trim the navbox (per Sandstein, myself, Mangokeylime, Kierzek and Izno) and some support for splitting this (per myself and Izno). How do you think we should handle this? I'd suggest splitting out the Activists and activists groups into their own navbox in order to reduce this one to manageable size. As I mentioned at the deletion discussion, I think a lot of the "Influences" section could be culled, as spurious and tangential, and I think the "Historians" section should probably be excised too, for the same reasons. I don't think that a navbox with collapsible groups is the right way forward. It isn't helpful to our readers, as this involves more clicking to find the articles required, and difficult to find the section of the navbox you are currently navigating. Also, adding redlinks in doesn't help reduce the size of the navbox (or aid navigation in any way), so I would kindly request that Mitchumch would have a read of WP:WTAF and stop adding them. Without articles, we cannot determine whether these songs are notable or even related to the topic. The exception for redlinks in navboxes is usually reserved where the reader is expecting complete sets of data. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Randy Kryn Why remove the wikilink? It was a key event of the CRM in 1963. Mitchumch ( talk) 00:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)