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I noticed that there are two links on this that go th the same page: The Guardian and Shoghi Effendi. Now I realize that here is that there was one Guardian, and he was Shoghi Effendi, but the Guardian and Shoghi Effendi were two distinct entities. In 'God Passes By' Shoghi Effendi didn't refer to himself regarding noteworthy historical developments, but rather to the Guardian as being the participator.
So basically I think it would be ideal to link 'The Guardian' to another or a new article about the Guardianship. Perhaps I'll do that in the next couple of minutes. LambaJan 16:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that it's useful to have that information on Shoghi Effendi's page, but perhaps there could be a new page for the sake of accuracy and a balance reached between the two. Neither needs to be terribly exhaustive. As far as attacks, there was a note that I agree with that was left on my talk page that addresses this:
Let me know what you think about this. LambaJan
Why has this been deleted? AndrewRT 23:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I really don't like the edit box that was added to the bottom of the template. It takes up extra space and it's not really necessary. Would anyone object if I remove it? Cuñado - Talk 23:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Nescott, I'm sorry but I disagree with you. It sounds much better to have "the series", and since there is only one series there's no grammatical issue. Saying "a series" implies that there are multiple series about the Baha'i Faith. I think if we resolve the whole "series" issue and change the wording this won't be an issue. For something that has been around for years you need to get some better consensus before insisting on changing it. Cuñado - Talk 04:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've put together a proposed revision of the template modeled on the one for Zoroastrianism that looks quite nice. As I did I made a few small changes to the text which I hope will more accurately describe the links to which they refer. It was difficult to find a color of yellow that was nice; at any rate, it seemed that the yellow would look better against a white rather than a gray background, so I removed the link to the toccolours css class. I think it would be best to solicit comments rather than simply putting the proposal up. Please let me know what you think. I notice that the edit box at the bottom seems to come from the Tnavbar; I have no opinion on whether it should stay or go. modify 12:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
They look good. My favourite colour is the blue one in User:Modify/Sandbox2. My favourite text at the beginning is at User:Jeff3000/Sandbox2. My favourite subheading fonts are at User:Modify/Sandbox2. As for the cellspacing, I'm not sure which one is better. -- Jeff3000 19:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to come in a bit late here, but I'm wondering about crimson (#DC143C), seeing as how we're the 'companions of the Crimson Ark' and all. I suppose none of this color business is actually very important, but since we're on it I thought I'd add that. It may also be notable that, generally, Baha'u'llah's books are printed in crimson, The Bab's in green, Abdu'l-Baha's in blue, and Shoghi Effendi's in brown. - LambaJan 01:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Might I suggest someone also change the color and format of Template:Baha'i-2? Cuñado - Talk 18:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I prefer this star. IMO it is much more friendly than the other one. -- 84.162.78.205 18:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I added the pointy star to compare. I prefer the current, more pointy star. Also, the fatter star does not have a transparent background. Cuñado - Talk 20:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
apologies. I was on the portal page as the most general place for a place to link the Baha'i Faith in fiction and the smallest most general corner at the bottom of the Baha'i Faith Series seemed to be that - until I found it was posted in dozens of pages (I thought you'ld have to go to the portal page, and then go all the way to the bottom....) Anyway, I took it out after I saw that it was so often used.... Then I tried to figure out how to get it to show in the ..in fiction page and that still stumps me but it seemed a good idea.....-- Smkolins 03:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest removing the list of teachings. In my opinion, it would make the template more NPOV, and there is already a link under "see also" for teachings. Cuñado - Talk 03:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to have a link to Pilgrimage in the 'See also' section. Any objection? Wiki-uk 12:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
While many facts that are interesting from a historical perspective are in the Bahá'í pages, many individuals, especially college students, use the Baha'i page to get a feel for what the Bahá'í community is like. Without deviating from the fact that this is an encyclopedia, how can we include relevant concepts, as opposed to mere information, that adequately convey the new culture being established in the global community? Leif ( talk) 19:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ Bahá'í 2}} I've redone the Bahai template to make it more eye appealing and space saving. Please raise any objections of why the remake shouldn't be posted before removal.
Sikandros ( talk) 21:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Martha Root is on this template, and not for example Rúhíyyih Khanum? Wiki-uk ( talk) 21:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the nine-pointed star is the symbol for all of these articles? I understand that it is more commonly used but isn't the five-pointed star the official symbol? Supergeek1694 ( talk) 21:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
User:The Quill unilaterally redirected the {{ Bahá'í}} to the new template you created {{ Bahá'í Faith}}, and thus the new template gets included in a large number of pages. The old template had been designed through WP:CONSENSUS over many different options, and new redesign needs to be discussed before it can be used over such many pages. The proposed new template, in my mind, is definitely poorer, both aesthetically and functionally. Aesthetically because the colours and the symbol are washed out, which leads to be it functionally less useable, as it's harder to view and navigate through the various groups in the template. Such a large change needs to be discussed before being changed. Regards, -- Jeff3000 ( talk) 18:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
{{Religion
|religion = Bahá'í Faith
|image = [[File:BahaismSymbol.PNG|85px|Bahá'í Faith]]
|width = 18em
|bold = no
|header1 = <center>Central figures</center>
|data2 = [[Bahá'u'lláh]]{{·}} [[Báb|The Báb]]{{·}} [[`Abdu'l-Bahá]]
|header3 = <center>Key scripture</center>
|data4 = [[Kitáb-i-Aqdas]]{{·}} [[Kitáb-i-Íqán]]{{·}}
|data5 = [[Hidden Words|The Hidden Words]]{{·}}
|data6 = [[The Seven Valleys]]
|header7 = <center>Institutions</center>
|data8 = [[Bahá'í administration|Administrative Order]]{{·}}
|data9 = [[Shoghi Effendi|The Guardianship]]{{·}}
|data10 = [[Universal House of Justice]]{{·}}
|data11 = [[Spiritual Assembly|Spiritual Assemblies]]
|header12 = <center>History</center>
|data13 = [[Bahá'í history|Bahá'í history]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í timeline|Timeline]]{{·}}
[[Bábism|Bábís]]{{·}}
|data14 = [[Shaykh Ahmad]]
|header15 = <center>Notable individuals</center>
|data16 = [[Shoghi Effendi]]{{·}} [[Martha Root]]{{·}} [[Táhirih]]{{·}}
|data17 = [[Badí‘]]{{·}} [[Apostles of Bahá'u'lláh|Apostles]]{{·}} [[Hands of the Cause]]
|header18 = <center>See also</center>
|data19 = [[Bahá'í symbols|Symbols]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í laws|Laws]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í teachings|Teachings]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í literature|Texts]]{{·}}
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Comments:
MARussellPESE ( talk) 18:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I have gone back to the old version of the template which did not have a relative width of 25%. Having a relative width is not good practice for a number of reasons. One is that for users who have widescreen screens, the template becomes very wide, and not comparable to all other vertical templates in Wikipedia. Even if the width is set to a specific value such as 160px, by removing the precise breaks, many of the article links do not start nor end on a line, making the navigating of links more difficult, and not easier, in addition to making more cluttering to the look. Regards, -- Jeff3000 ( talk) 01:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
While I've seen them, they are informal at best and strictly not "english equivalents". The "english equivalents" are the Book of Certitude and the Most Holy Book, or the Book of Laws. As for their usage here, I think the encyclopedic usage would favor the more formal. Smkolins ( talk) 12:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
As with my comments on Talk:Baha'i calendar, there are some reversions here, which are disputed at best, so the discussion should happen here before we get into an edit war. The template is meant to be a summary of the main aspects of a religion as defined by notability as defined by reliable sources. Most summary statements of the religion do not mention the two individuals that are being added; only one goes into the topic in detail are those two individuals mentioned, and only in small passing. You can take Peter's Smith's "Introduction to the Baha'i Faith" published by Cambrige University Press, one of the most reliable publishers, as an example. Warm regards, -- 23:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Among Baha'is the usage would never be "Part of a series on Baha'i Faith." There will invariably be a definite article in this context: "Part of a series on the Baha'i Faith." Has there been a relevant discussion on the wording for this template that someone can point me to? Is there any objection to adding "the"? I recall it being there at one point. modify 04:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Bahá'í Faith Template‑class | |||||||
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I noticed that there are two links on this that go th the same page: The Guardian and Shoghi Effendi. Now I realize that here is that there was one Guardian, and he was Shoghi Effendi, but the Guardian and Shoghi Effendi were two distinct entities. In 'God Passes By' Shoghi Effendi didn't refer to himself regarding noteworthy historical developments, but rather to the Guardian as being the participator.
So basically I think it would be ideal to link 'The Guardian' to another or a new article about the Guardianship. Perhaps I'll do that in the next couple of minutes. LambaJan 16:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that it's useful to have that information on Shoghi Effendi's page, but perhaps there could be a new page for the sake of accuracy and a balance reached between the two. Neither needs to be terribly exhaustive. As far as attacks, there was a note that I agree with that was left on my talk page that addresses this:
Let me know what you think about this. LambaJan
Why has this been deleted? AndrewRT 23:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I really don't like the edit box that was added to the bottom of the template. It takes up extra space and it's not really necessary. Would anyone object if I remove it? Cuñado - Talk 23:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Nescott, I'm sorry but I disagree with you. It sounds much better to have "the series", and since there is only one series there's no grammatical issue. Saying "a series" implies that there are multiple series about the Baha'i Faith. I think if we resolve the whole "series" issue and change the wording this won't be an issue. For something that has been around for years you need to get some better consensus before insisting on changing it. Cuñado - Talk 04:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've put together a proposed revision of the template modeled on the one for Zoroastrianism that looks quite nice. As I did I made a few small changes to the text which I hope will more accurately describe the links to which they refer. It was difficult to find a color of yellow that was nice; at any rate, it seemed that the yellow would look better against a white rather than a gray background, so I removed the link to the toccolours css class. I think it would be best to solicit comments rather than simply putting the proposal up. Please let me know what you think. I notice that the edit box at the bottom seems to come from the Tnavbar; I have no opinion on whether it should stay or go. modify 12:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
They look good. My favourite colour is the blue one in User:Modify/Sandbox2. My favourite text at the beginning is at User:Jeff3000/Sandbox2. My favourite subheading fonts are at User:Modify/Sandbox2. As for the cellspacing, I'm not sure which one is better. -- Jeff3000 19:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to come in a bit late here, but I'm wondering about crimson (#DC143C), seeing as how we're the 'companions of the Crimson Ark' and all. I suppose none of this color business is actually very important, but since we're on it I thought I'd add that. It may also be notable that, generally, Baha'u'llah's books are printed in crimson, The Bab's in green, Abdu'l-Baha's in blue, and Shoghi Effendi's in brown. - LambaJan 01:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Might I suggest someone also change the color and format of Template:Baha'i-2? Cuñado - Talk 18:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I prefer this star. IMO it is much more friendly than the other one. -- 84.162.78.205 18:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I added the pointy star to compare. I prefer the current, more pointy star. Also, the fatter star does not have a transparent background. Cuñado - Talk 20:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
apologies. I was on the portal page as the most general place for a place to link the Baha'i Faith in fiction and the smallest most general corner at the bottom of the Baha'i Faith Series seemed to be that - until I found it was posted in dozens of pages (I thought you'ld have to go to the portal page, and then go all the way to the bottom....) Anyway, I took it out after I saw that it was so often used.... Then I tried to figure out how to get it to show in the ..in fiction page and that still stumps me but it seemed a good idea.....-- Smkolins 03:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest removing the list of teachings. In my opinion, it would make the template more NPOV, and there is already a link under "see also" for teachings. Cuñado - Talk 03:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to have a link to Pilgrimage in the 'See also' section. Any objection? Wiki-uk 12:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
While many facts that are interesting from a historical perspective are in the Bahá'í pages, many individuals, especially college students, use the Baha'i page to get a feel for what the Bahá'í community is like. Without deviating from the fact that this is an encyclopedia, how can we include relevant concepts, as opposed to mere information, that adequately convey the new culture being established in the global community? Leif ( talk) 19:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ Bahá'í 2}} I've redone the Bahai template to make it more eye appealing and space saving. Please raise any objections of why the remake shouldn't be posted before removal.
Sikandros ( talk) 21:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why Martha Root is on this template, and not for example Rúhíyyih Khanum? Wiki-uk ( talk) 21:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the nine-pointed star is the symbol for all of these articles? I understand that it is more commonly used but isn't the five-pointed star the official symbol? Supergeek1694 ( talk) 21:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
User:The Quill unilaterally redirected the {{ Bahá'í}} to the new template you created {{ Bahá'í Faith}}, and thus the new template gets included in a large number of pages. The old template had been designed through WP:CONSENSUS over many different options, and new redesign needs to be discussed before it can be used over such many pages. The proposed new template, in my mind, is definitely poorer, both aesthetically and functionally. Aesthetically because the colours and the symbol are washed out, which leads to be it functionally less useable, as it's harder to view and navigate through the various groups in the template. Such a large change needs to be discussed before being changed. Regards, -- Jeff3000 ( talk) 18:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
{{Religion
|religion = Bahá'í Faith
|image = [[File:BahaismSymbol.PNG|85px|Bahá'í Faith]]
|width = 18em
|bold = no
|header1 = <center>Central figures</center>
|data2 = [[Bahá'u'lláh]]{{·}} [[Báb|The Báb]]{{·}} [[`Abdu'l-Bahá]]
|header3 = <center>Key scripture</center>
|data4 = [[Kitáb-i-Aqdas]]{{·}} [[Kitáb-i-Íqán]]{{·}}
|data5 = [[Hidden Words|The Hidden Words]]{{·}}
|data6 = [[The Seven Valleys]]
|header7 = <center>Institutions</center>
|data8 = [[Bahá'í administration|Administrative Order]]{{·}}
|data9 = [[Shoghi Effendi|The Guardianship]]{{·}}
|data10 = [[Universal House of Justice]]{{·}}
|data11 = [[Spiritual Assembly|Spiritual Assemblies]]
|header12 = <center>History</center>
|data13 = [[Bahá'í history|Bahá'í history]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í timeline|Timeline]]{{·}}
[[Bábism|Bábís]]{{·}}
|data14 = [[Shaykh Ahmad]]
|header15 = <center>Notable individuals</center>
|data16 = [[Shoghi Effendi]]{{·}} [[Martha Root]]{{·}} [[Táhirih]]{{·}}
|data17 = [[Badí‘]]{{·}} [[Apostles of Bahá'u'lláh|Apostles]]{{·}} [[Hands of the Cause]]
|header18 = <center>See also</center>
|data19 = [[Bahá'í symbols|Symbols]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í laws|Laws]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í teachings|Teachings]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í literature|Texts]]{{·}}
|data20 = [[Bahá'í calendar|Calendar]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í divisions|Divisions]]{{·}} [[Bahá'í pilgrimage|Pilgrimage]]{{·}}
|data21 = [[Prayer in the Bahá'í Faith|Prayer]]
}}
Comments:
MARussellPESE ( talk) 18:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I have gone back to the old version of the template which did not have a relative width of 25%. Having a relative width is not good practice for a number of reasons. One is that for users who have widescreen screens, the template becomes very wide, and not comparable to all other vertical templates in Wikipedia. Even if the width is set to a specific value such as 160px, by removing the precise breaks, many of the article links do not start nor end on a line, making the navigating of links more difficult, and not easier, in addition to making more cluttering to the look. Regards, -- Jeff3000 ( talk) 01:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
While I've seen them, they are informal at best and strictly not "english equivalents". The "english equivalents" are the Book of Certitude and the Most Holy Book, or the Book of Laws. As for their usage here, I think the encyclopedic usage would favor the more formal. Smkolins ( talk) 12:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
As with my comments on Talk:Baha'i calendar, there are some reversions here, which are disputed at best, so the discussion should happen here before we get into an edit war. The template is meant to be a summary of the main aspects of a religion as defined by notability as defined by reliable sources. Most summary statements of the religion do not mention the two individuals that are being added; only one goes into the topic in detail are those two individuals mentioned, and only in small passing. You can take Peter's Smith's "Introduction to the Baha'i Faith" published by Cambrige University Press, one of the most reliable publishers, as an example. Warm regards, -- 23:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Among Baha'is the usage would never be "Part of a series on Baha'i Faith." There will invariably be a definite article in this context: "Part of a series on the Baha'i Faith." Has there been a relevant discussion on the wording for this template that someone can point me to? Is there any objection to adding "the"? I recall it being there at one point. modify 04:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)