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Does this box really need to be stretched across the whole page? There's not a lot of links in it and it's a poor use of space. In some ways, the X-planes box looks better since it at least is reasonably sized for the amount of content. Askari Mark | Talk 02:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid there remains such a thing as "too much of a good thing", even if it's becoming the standard. Several page-wide navigation boxes at the foot of every article will look so-o-o-o appealing. With regard to this box, I'm not sure rendering it in two lines is a readability improvement, although the glare of white space is reduced. Is there any way to center the box title in line with the link lines? Right now the title and timeline link appear left-justified together. Askari Mark | Talk 18:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Who said the templates had to be different sizes? I just don't like one size — the full-page spread. Few, if any, templates will ever make effective use of that much space. In fact, one of the things I like best about the templates being smaller than page-width is that they readily stand out as separate from the article itself. That is actually a "professional touch" IMHO. Having everything the same width is esthetically boring. After all, would you like to see the TOC and images and so forth be full-page-width? I see no problem with the trailing templates being "standardized" to something in the 60-80% page-width range. That would make them look more like a "further information portal" — which is exactly what they are. Askari Mark | Talk 22:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
They're ordnance, really. Askari Mark | Talk 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The term "missiles" isn't clear. Ordnance is military. Things that are located underneath an aircraft wing and launched while in-flight are not necessarily ordnance. When they aren't, their function -- their safety and reliability -- fall under the purview of RTCA, Inc. which is a civilian organization based in the U.S. but has members from all over the world. What RTCA publishes is used as guideance by agencies located throughout the globe.
Consider this: A UAV can be launched from underneath a wing and can provide remote environmental data. At present, UAVs is a category shown under Military lists but UAVs are not military. For example, "RTCA/DO-304, Guidance Material and Considerations for Unmanned Aircraft Systems" is created and published by RTCA, Inc. [1]
Kernel.package ( talk) 18:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
An editor just made format changes without discussing them here, and I've put it back to where it was with a note to discuss it here first. I know there's been a discussion above about the merits of the full-width format, and in that discussion, the full-width format had more support, so I'm starting this thread to continue the discussion in light of my revert. Personally, since nav templates seem to be where other such templates are going, it's more standardized, and looks better than a bunch of varying-width templates at the bottom. Akradecki 15:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
width: auto;
Would anyone mind if I made this change to the template?
Karl Dickman
talk 04:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)We have put this template in every airline article where way more than half of the links are highly unrelevant. If you are looking at an airline article why would need to click on any of the following:
- MarsRover 05:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading the discussion above, there appears to be a will to make this template stand out more. however, this is explicitly discouraged by the navbox template documentation itself, and I agree that navigation templates in general should follow a common pattern rather than trying to assert themselves. For now I've "genericised" this template to a plain ol' navbox. Chris Cunningham 15:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Re //en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:Aviation_lists&diff=193921088&oldid=192898658, you don't think that lengthy group name looks out of place beside the others? (It also eats into the template, especially so on smaller screens/resolutions/windows...) Sardanaphalus ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} This change should be made in order to bypass a redirect.
The line in this template that currently reads:
|list3 = [[List of accidents and incidents involving general aviation|General]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft|Military]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft|Commercial (airliners)]]{{·}} [[List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths]]
should read:
|list3 = [[List of accidents and incidents involving general aviation|General]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft|Military]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft|Commercial (airliners)]]{{·}} [[List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths]]
because the List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft is a redirect to the List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft. -- SSB ohio 18:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} request (suggest) title bar name be changed to 'Aviation industry lists'. -- emerson7 20:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Since I could'nt add anything in as the template is protected, can I request to add in the List of airshow accidents into the template since there are plenty of high profile incidents. Jay Pegg ( talk) 11:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
This template box needs article Civil aviation authority, with link name being "List of Civil Aviation Authorities"; the article consists mainly of a long list of civil aviation authorities alphabetized by country. -- Mr Accountable ( talk) 20:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I think this should be added: List of longest runways
{{ Editprotected}} The iw to chinese wikipedia is outdated, as it is redirected to zh:Template:航空航天列表集. And if possible, please use Wikipedia:Template Documentation for this template. -- Quest for Truth ( talk) 19:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ edit protected}} Bypass "List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths" to "List of fatalities from aviation accidents|Deaths", as per navbox guidelines recommending against the use of redirects. – Schmloof ( talk · contribs) 00:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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There is a version in the sandbox:
, which removes the link 'List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents', because it is now a redirect to: 'List of fatalities from aviation accidents', which is already included in the navbox. Minor alphabetizing was also done. Please add this updated code to the template. Thanks, --
Funandtrvl (
talk) 20:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Should List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United Kingdom and List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United States be added to the template? Mjroots ( talk) 07:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the List of firsts in aviation should be added to this template. Chienlit ( talk) 09:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone add this to the template please. Petebutt ( talk) 13:17, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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In the sandbox, there is a version that updates one of the page title changes, fixes formatting, and adds a few links that have been suggested here on the tlk pg. Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 19:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
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Would someone please add Registration prefixes to the General list? Thanks! — Cxw ( talk) 13:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Can an Administrator edit the lists relating to Aviation from this
Aircraft
(manufacturers) ·
to this
Aircraft · {{ Aircraft manufacturers}} ·
Thanks Petebutt ( talk) 13:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC) Oops - for full syntax copy from edit page Petebutt ( talk) 13:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC) Think about this one. I didn't realize how it was set-up. Does it need a re-think and edit to how I PROPOSE? Petebutt ( talk) 13:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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(in China) was recently added to "Unmanned"
I do not see any reason to include this. What is the purpose?
12.199.176.12 ( talk) 14:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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The link from "Death toll" under accidents/incidents should be changed to List of aircraft accidents and incidents resulting in at least 50 fatalities reflecting the change on the page which is currently linked. Thank you. Godot13 ( talk) 03:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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Remove Su-39 link under Bombers/Attack. Sukhoi Su-39 does not exist on Wikipedia and links to the Su-25 page, which has a brief, but sufficient description of the Su-25TM variant, also known as the Su-39. 76.120.25.0 ( talk) 02:05, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to add List of aerobatic teams
Nathan121212 ( talk) 10:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Added Aerobatic teams to the sandbox. Could this be incorporated into the main template? Nathan121212 ( talk) 18:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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Please replace
|group3 = Accidents/incidents
with
|group3 = {{hlist|Accidents|Incidents}}
as the latter is easier to read (see sandbox), especially when the overall font-size is smaller. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 21:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 <small>&</small> 
which looks like "Accidents & Incidents"? — {{U|
Technical 13}} (
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Can we have Lists of military aircraft by nation added to the template? Maybe as Airforces (Aircraft)?
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Add List of wheel-well stowaway flights to the Accidents / incidents group. Thanks in advance. Brandmeister talk 16:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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template. Please see discussion below. –
Paine Ellsworth
CLIMAX! 19:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)References
Why on earth has this navbox been transcluded on thousands of articles, when, per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, it should only appear on the articles that are mentioned within? -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 15:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should this navbox be removed from the 17,000+ articles that it has been transcluded on, except for the articles which are mentioned within the navbox? Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
It does fail items 1 and 5. The subject is incoherent (relating only lists of aviation of which there are [many] more than are in this template; lists of aviation being considered at only the highest level). I also wouldn't want to list all of these in almost all aircraft articles as they are too displaced from the content of any particular article on aviation.
-- Izno ( talk) 13:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Many (non-aviation) lists have few inlinks (e.g. List of automobiles manufactured in Ontario only has 3 inlinks from article space and only one inlink from an actual article). As long as the list is reachable (e.g. from relevant pages, by the category structure, and of course from just typing "list of ..." into the search box) then there's no need to link to the list from thousands of pages. Is it really likely that a reader of an aviation article (e.g. Ju 87, Merlin, VTOL) is likely to want to navigate to any of the lists linked in the template?
DexDor (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Is there a reason why the navbox includes a "Misc." group as well as a "General" group? Would it not be simpler to include "Jet airliners" in the "General" group? (Compare "Gliders" and "Rotorcraft".) Also, not displaying "List of ..." for this item would be more consistent with the other items in the navbox. (Checking before editing as I am not an extensive contributor to aviation articles.) Thanks. – Wdchk ( talk) 02:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
For info, following on from the above RFC, I raised this at WP:BOTREQ and it's now been done. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
This is the
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Aviation lists template. |
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Aviation Template‑class | |||||||
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Lists Template‑class | |||||||
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Does this box really need to be stretched across the whole page? There's not a lot of links in it and it's a poor use of space. In some ways, the X-planes box looks better since it at least is reasonably sized for the amount of content. Askari Mark | Talk 02:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid there remains such a thing as "too much of a good thing", even if it's becoming the standard. Several page-wide navigation boxes at the foot of every article will look so-o-o-o appealing. With regard to this box, I'm not sure rendering it in two lines is a readability improvement, although the glare of white space is reduced. Is there any way to center the box title in line with the link lines? Right now the title and timeline link appear left-justified together. Askari Mark | Talk 18:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Who said the templates had to be different sizes? I just don't like one size — the full-page spread. Few, if any, templates will ever make effective use of that much space. In fact, one of the things I like best about the templates being smaller than page-width is that they readily stand out as separate from the article itself. That is actually a "professional touch" IMHO. Having everything the same width is esthetically boring. After all, would you like to see the TOC and images and so forth be full-page-width? I see no problem with the trailing templates being "standardized" to something in the 60-80% page-width range. That would make them look more like a "further information portal" — which is exactly what they are. Askari Mark | Talk 22:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
They're ordnance, really. Askari Mark | Talk 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The term "missiles" isn't clear. Ordnance is military. Things that are located underneath an aircraft wing and launched while in-flight are not necessarily ordnance. When they aren't, their function -- their safety and reliability -- fall under the purview of RTCA, Inc. which is a civilian organization based in the U.S. but has members from all over the world. What RTCA publishes is used as guideance by agencies located throughout the globe.
Consider this: A UAV can be launched from underneath a wing and can provide remote environmental data. At present, UAVs is a category shown under Military lists but UAVs are not military. For example, "RTCA/DO-304, Guidance Material and Considerations for Unmanned Aircraft Systems" is created and published by RTCA, Inc. [1]
Kernel.package ( talk) 18:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
An editor just made format changes without discussing them here, and I've put it back to where it was with a note to discuss it here first. I know there's been a discussion above about the merits of the full-width format, and in that discussion, the full-width format had more support, so I'm starting this thread to continue the discussion in light of my revert. Personally, since nav templates seem to be where other such templates are going, it's more standardized, and looks better than a bunch of varying-width templates at the bottom. Akradecki 15:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
width: auto;
Would anyone mind if I made this change to the template?
Karl Dickman
talk 04:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)We have put this template in every airline article where way more than half of the links are highly unrelevant. If you are looking at an airline article why would need to click on any of the following:
- MarsRover 05:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading the discussion above, there appears to be a will to make this template stand out more. however, this is explicitly discouraged by the navbox template documentation itself, and I agree that navigation templates in general should follow a common pattern rather than trying to assert themselves. For now I've "genericised" this template to a plain ol' navbox. Chris Cunningham 15:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Re //en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:Aviation_lists&diff=193921088&oldid=192898658, you don't think that lengthy group name looks out of place beside the others? (It also eats into the template, especially so on smaller screens/resolutions/windows...) Sardanaphalus ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} This change should be made in order to bypass a redirect.
The line in this template that currently reads:
|list3 = [[List of accidents and incidents involving general aviation|General]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft|Military]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft|Commercial (airliners)]]{{·}} [[List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths]]
should read:
|list3 = [[List of accidents and incidents involving general aviation|General]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft|Military]]{{·}} [[List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft|Commercial (airliners)]]{{·}} [[List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths]]
because the List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft is a redirect to the List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft. -- SSB ohio 18:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} request (suggest) title bar name be changed to 'Aviation industry lists'. -- emerson7 20:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Since I could'nt add anything in as the template is protected, can I request to add in the List of airshow accidents into the template since there are plenty of high profile incidents. Jay Pegg ( talk) 11:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
This template box needs article Civil aviation authority, with link name being "List of Civil Aviation Authorities"; the article consists mainly of a long list of civil aviation authorities alphabetized by country. -- Mr Accountable ( talk) 20:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I think this should be added: List of longest runways
{{ Editprotected}} The iw to chinese wikipedia is outdated, as it is redirected to zh:Template:航空航天列表集. And if possible, please use Wikipedia:Template Documentation for this template. -- Quest for Truth ( talk) 19:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
{{ edit protected}} Bypass "List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents|Deaths" to "List of fatalities from aviation accidents|Deaths", as per navbox guidelines recommending against the use of redirects. – Schmloof ( talk · contribs) 00:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
There is a version in the sandbox:
, which removes the link 'List of people who died in aviation accidents and incidents', because it is now a redirect to: 'List of fatalities from aviation accidents', which is already included in the navbox. Minor alphabetizing was also done. Please add this updated code to the template. Thanks, --
Funandtrvl (
talk) 20:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Should List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United Kingdom and List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United States be added to the template? Mjroots ( talk) 07:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the List of firsts in aviation should be added to this template. Chienlit ( talk) 09:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone add this to the template please. Petebutt ( talk) 13:17, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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In the sandbox, there is a version that updates one of the page title changes, fixes formatting, and adds a few links that have been suggested here on the tlk pg. Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 19:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
This
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Would someone please add Registration prefixes to the General list? Thanks! — Cxw ( talk) 13:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Can an Administrator edit the lists relating to Aviation from this
Aircraft
(manufacturers) ·
to this
Aircraft · {{ Aircraft manufacturers}} ·
Thanks Petebutt ( talk) 13:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC) Oops - for full syntax copy from edit page Petebutt ( talk) 13:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC) Think about this one. I didn't realize how it was set-up. Does it need a re-think and edit to how I PROPOSE? Petebutt ( talk) 13:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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(in China) was recently added to "Unmanned"
I do not see any reason to include this. What is the purpose?
12.199.176.12 ( talk) 14:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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The link from "Death toll" under accidents/incidents should be changed to List of aircraft accidents and incidents resulting in at least 50 fatalities reflecting the change on the page which is currently linked. Thank you. Godot13 ( talk) 03:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
This
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Sukhoi Aircraft has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Remove Su-39 link under Bombers/Attack. Sukhoi Su-39 does not exist on Wikipedia and links to the Su-25 page, which has a brief, but sufficient description of the Su-25TM variant, also known as the Su-39. 76.120.25.0 ( talk) 02:05, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to add List of aerobatic teams
Nathan121212 ( talk) 10:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Added Aerobatic teams to the sandbox. Could this be incorporated into the main template? Nathan121212 ( talk) 18:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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Please replace
|group3 = Accidents/incidents
with
|group3 = {{hlist|Accidents|Incidents}}
as the latter is easier to read (see sandbox), especially when the overall font-size is smaller. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 21:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 <small>&</small> 
which looks like "Accidents & Incidents"? — {{U|
Technical 13}} (
e •
t •
c) 13:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Can we have Lists of military aircraft by nation added to the template? Maybe as Airforces (Aircraft)?
This
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Add List of wheel-well stowaway flights to the Accidents / incidents group. Thanks in advance. Brandmeister talk 16:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. Please see discussion below. –
Paine Ellsworth
CLIMAX! 19:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)References
Why on earth has this navbox been transcluded on thousands of articles, when, per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, it should only appear on the articles that are mentioned within? -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 15:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should this navbox be removed from the 17,000+ articles that it has been transcluded on, except for the articles which are mentioned within the navbox? Rob Sinden ( talk) 08:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
It does fail items 1 and 5. The subject is incoherent (relating only lists of aviation of which there are [many] more than are in this template; lists of aviation being considered at only the highest level). I also wouldn't want to list all of these in almost all aircraft articles as they are too displaced from the content of any particular article on aviation.
-- Izno ( talk) 13:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Many (non-aviation) lists have few inlinks (e.g. List of automobiles manufactured in Ontario only has 3 inlinks from article space and only one inlink from an actual article). As long as the list is reachable (e.g. from relevant pages, by the category structure, and of course from just typing "list of ..." into the search box) then there's no need to link to the list from thousands of pages. Is it really likely that a reader of an aviation article (e.g. Ju 87, Merlin, VTOL) is likely to want to navigate to any of the lists linked in the template?
DexDor (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Is there a reason why the navbox includes a "Misc." group as well as a "General" group? Would it not be simpler to include "Jet airliners" in the "General" group? (Compare "Gliders" and "Rotorcraft".) Also, not displaying "List of ..." for this item would be more consistent with the other items in the navbox. (Checking before editing as I am not an extensive contributor to aviation articles.) Thanks. – Wdchk ( talk) 02:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
For info, following on from the above RFC, I raised this at WP:BOTREQ and it's now been done. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)