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Does Category:Wikipedia:Authority control (key words only) serve any useful purpose? It was created in August 2011 and labelled "test / evaluation". How is it applied? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
To my understanding, the most wide-spread library classification system is Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC). Does anyone have time to add it here here? I notice that {{ Infobox book}} use both Dewey and LC Classification. (In my country, libraries are currently leaving our national letter-based system for Dewey, with reference to globalization.) Mange01 ( talk) 23:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
OUP are starting to produce an in-house identifier for their biographical databases - OBIN ( details). Worth including? It's valid for about 55,000 people at the time of writing, most of whom we can reasonably expect will eventually be covered in WP. Andrew Gray ( talk) 18:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Please see Help talk:Citation Style 1#ORCID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
For a casual Wikipedia reader (or even hardcore one if you like) this string of numbers is highly irrelevant. While it is a good addition, it hardly warrants a page-wide infobox. Maybe just big enough to show VIAF and the number? If other cataloguing systems are added, maybe then it could be page-wide. Now it's just plain confusing. -- Sigmundur ( talk) 07:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Should we add an ISNI parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please remove GKD and GKD-V1? As said above both identifiers are deprecated (now part of GND) and empty. Thanx -- Kolja21 ( talk) 19:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
A quick update on ISNI/ORCID as discussed above - after making some enquiries, the long-term plan is to investigate deduplication & merging of IDs between the two, but there's no firm plans and it's not going to happen any time soon.
So the state of play is that any one person may (and often will) have an ORCID and an ISNI, both using the same numbering scheme, checksums, etc. We should probably handle them seperately for the forseeable future - seperate identifier fields, resolving to seperate databases - and revisit the issue of merging in a couple of years. I'll file a Wikidata request to get a seperate ORCID property set up. Andrew Gray ( talk) 12:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've suggested that Module talk:Authority control be redirected here, to avoid spitting conversations. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Can I (should I) use {{Authority control |VIAF=181843323}} on Book of Revelation or is this template only for people? Stuartyeates ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason for last year's change in our target? Then I said here that the links are useful to me as a reader, and as an editor. That is no longer true of our LCCN link.
Because German wikipedia has not changed its LCCN target, I now visit the LCCatalog via DE.wiki whenever that biography is available (that is under my settings, via linkname "Deutsch" in the left margin). The content more useful to me, a human being, is available at a glance. Accurate catalog search is available by point-and-click.
-- P64 ( talk) 19:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
This category needs comparison to "Pages with LCCN identifiers", and the LCCN numbers added to authority control on many (approx. 1/4 million, as of April 2013) articles. The LCCN numbers can be found from the VIAF pages by clicking the link next to the US flag on the linked page. This specific point might be appropriate for addressing with a script, or creation of a "Pages with VIAF and no LCCN" admin category.
Due to the way VIAF was built, the only entries that should not have LCCN numbers are non-English language authors and books that aren't 'notable' enough (in the English-language world) to be in the Library of Congress. Other VIAFs missing LCCNs are most likely duplicates, created by a bot (as of this writing, VIAF is actively addressing this issue with many 'ancient world' authors such as Sophocles Private communication, April 2013, Revent (talk) 2:47 pm, Today (UTC−5)).
You can help with this by doing 'name' searches for other VIAFs when you find a VIAF entry with no LCCN, and reporting duplicates to them via the 'feedback' link on the VIAF site. Doing so would be extremely helpful.
(the editor who added this, User:Revent, is specifically asking VIAF to look at what I have said here, and comment/elaborate if needed)
This is text that I have attempted to add to the category page. User:Pigsonthewing has repeatedly deleted it, so I am putting it here.
Revent ( talk) 22:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I've rewritten the template in Lua inside of Module:Authority control. I have also made some changes from the Wikitext template:
I've also design the module in order to be easily changed to use Wikidata data as fallback if the community agree. I've added a lot of cases to Template:Authority control/testcases to test the new Lua module called by Template:Authority control/sandbox. Is anyone opposed if I make the main template use the module? Any bugs/remarks/suggestions? Tpt ( talk) 13:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
A couple of questions:
This is what I determined for Wikidata correspondences. At the moment in the module the Wikidata numbers are just 0.
propertyMap = {'TYP': 'P107',
'LCCN': 'P244',
'VIAF':'P214',
#'ORCID':,
'GND':'P227',
#'PND':,
#'SELIBR':,
#'GDK':,
#'GDK-V1':,
#'SWD':,
'BNF':'P268',
#'BPN':,
#'RID':,
#'Scopus':,
#'BIBSYS':,
'ULAN':'P245',
'NDL':'P349',
'SUDOC':'P269',
#'KID':,
#'WORLDCATID':
'ISNI': 'P213',}
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximilianklein ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 10 April 2013
Can we now deploy this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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Can an admin familiar with this template please make the deployment discussed above? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Since 9 May all articles are linked to Module:Authority control. Four questions:
-- Kolja21 ( talk) 16:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
В Wikipedia ULAN идентификатор выдаёт ошибку, ссылка на другой сайт, в WikiData всё правильно. Протестируйте, пожалуйста. С уважением, -- Пробегающий ( talk) 16:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I have found a subject, Henry Shimer, who published several papers in the 1860s-1890s, but who has no entry at VIAF. Do I record that at Wikipedia:VIAF/errors (there's no relevant section at present)? Is there some other way of generating, or initiating the generation of, a VIAF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
One to keep an eye on for the future. The proposed [ Institutional Identifiers] for libraries and organisations in their supply chain. If this includes museums, it not only gives them a UID, but also, combined with accession numbers, a UID for each object or set of objects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I've updated the sanboxed version of the template (that is based on the sandboxed version of the module) to use Wikidata content as fallback: for each identifiers if the identifier is not set at the call of the template, the template will get the correspondent value, if it exists, from the item linked to the page in Wikidata. As we can currently only retrieve the data of the item linked to the current page this feature doesn't works in the template sandbox and have to be tested directly on article. here is an example where all ids are retrieved from Wkidata. Is there any opposition to activate this feature by default?
Remark: If there is more than one value for the same identifier in Wikidata, the first value is used. This behavior will be changed in the future to use the value with the best rank when the rank feature will be implemented in Wikidata.
Tpt ( talk) 07:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
ULAN template is generating wrong output with some numbers e.g. http://www.biografischportaal.nl/person_not_found?message=Geen+biografie+gevonden+met+deze+id%3A+500009826 instead of http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500009826 Richard Bruce Bradford ( talk) 16:48, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I tried to fix it in Module:Authority control and it seems to work now (maybe only after purging a page). -- WolfD59 ( talk) 15:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Thanks now seems to be ok. Richard Bruce Bradford ( talk) 16:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
As asked last year
Faith Hunter has two entries for VIAF and LCCN. For such people should we add an extra parameter say "as" to provide the name
VIAF=... LCCN=... |as=Gwen Hunter
RDBrown (
talk) 01:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The rules for formatting LCCN values are probably daunting to some editors, and are an inconvenience to the rest. Now that this template uses Lua, can't we encode them, so that raw data may be entered, and the template can handle the parsing? (It's also likely that Wikidata will store raw values, so we'll need to parse them once we import from there, anyway) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
1. Today I visited our joint biography of the Brothers Hildebrandt illustrators. Tim Hildebrandt died in 2006. Greg Hildebrandt is living.
1a. (Among other things in the first of two revisions) I added links to WorldCat and LC Authorities (the useful page, not LCNAF) for deceased Tim, as the last listed External links; completed and labeled template {{ Authority control}} for the living Greg; moved the latter above the one navbox for contiguity with the Tim links that may help some visitors interpret the template. Comments solicited. ( footer before; footer after)
1b. VIAFbot added templateAC for living Greg in November. Why? Perhaps because de:Tim Hildebrandt (In anderen Sprachen: English) links our Brothers Hildebrandt. DE.wiki has a biography of deceased Tim only, no redirect for Greg Hildebrandt, Gebrüder Hildebrandt, or Brothers Hildebrandt (which I have supposed to be their signature on all collaborative works of art, under which they may be known in all languages). The link from our joint biography (In other languages: Deutsch) to de:Tim Hildebrandt was deleted prior to November, and added to our Tim Hildebrandt {{ redirect to joint biography}}. The German authorities template Normdaten is completed for Tim correctly in the old-fashioned way (PND, LCCN).
2. For comparison, perhaps useful in this discussion, I also revised our biography Lynn Poole of a man whose wife Gray Johnson Poole is at least half notable. She is mentioned in the biog, of course, perhaps more than usually because some of their works were collaborative. This is not a joint biography but VIAFbot missed it entirely, so I am responsible for the entire section Lynn Poole#External links. I added standard link to Gray Johnson Poole at WorldCat and LC Authorities --as for Tim Hildebrandt-- and the completed template for Lynn Poole. Comments solicited.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Having multiple {{ Authority control}} in a single page can confuse Wikidata bots; I had to take care of Tim and Greg separately. IMHO all "joint biographies" should link to {{ Authority control}} codes of "joint AC entries" only (as VIAF 104887034); we could then populate AC codes on Redirects to joint biographies, maybe using Wikidata as fallback. -- Ricordi samoa 01:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I've found what is apparently a bug in the LCCN entry. The template decodes the entry for Anatolius of Laodicea "LCCN=nr/2003/025749" to link to the address: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/nr2003025749 . This address is apparently incorrect. Looking up Anatolius in the LOC Authorities page, I find that the permalink for Anatolius is http://lccn.loc.gov/nr2003025749 , which is a live link.
I've tried the LCCN links for a number of other historical persons and it seems this is a general problem. If this is not a transient problem at the LOC, it looks like some recoding of this template is called for. -- SteveMcCluskey ( talk) 20:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I miss a short description how one can use the authority template with the infos given by Wikidata. How many articles are using Wikidata as source right now? -- Kolja21 ( talk) 21:39, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
This continues one aspect of the recent discussion Template talk:Authority control/Archive 3#Joint biographies revisited.
Category:Redirects from individual people is populated by template {{ R from person}} among others. As I use CatScan recently, it appears that none of those 1000 redirects have VIAF identifiers ( Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers). Perhaps none transclude this template. Should they?
I learned this hour that DE.wiki does use the German versions of templates {{ Authority control}} and {{ Persondata}} in redirects --although the Normdaten template does not generate a display on the redirect page.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I support the application of {{ Authority control}} to such redirects. We could also consider adding an infobox (subject, of course, to WP:V and WP:BLP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
There was a discussion here, which from what I can gather resulted in a consensus in favour of adding Wikidata parameters unless overridden by the template as invoked. I've implemented the changes by copying the relevant bits from Module:Authority control/sandbox into Module:Authority control. If there are any objections, please let me know. Gabbe ( talk) 09:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
{{Authority control}}
, with no parameters? Or do I need to enter the required parameter names, such as {{Authority control |VIAF= |ORCID= }}
. How long do I have to wait to see if the data is supplied by Wikidata, before knowing I need to go and source it?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone see why there' a script error at Liudmyla Monastyrska? I've tried (in preview) all sorts of permutations of parameters, with no remedy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed the LCCN count on the project page linked to this talk page has been going down steadily over the past week; not a large amount; but enough to make me wonder what's going on... any info? I have been adding LCCNs to various biography articles because I think its useful to have the OCLC WorldCat Identities links as a good overview of what's owned by libraries and in what languages...; thanks--FeanorStar7 01:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Does this template really need to take up 100% width of a page by default? Most of the articles I see it on are like Scott Rosenberg (timely version) -- namely it consists of one short VIAF identifier, then takes up the rest of the page width with empty box styling. This seems unnecessary and visually is quite annoying. Steven Walling • talk 01:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It seems that this template is not showing in our mobile view. Please see discussion at WP:VPT#Mobile: Authority control not showing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers has only one interwiki link.
Category:Wikipedia articles with authority control information has eleven.
Category:Pages with authority control information, the parent category, and many of its other children, have none.
Is the category tree less well developed on other Wikipedias? Or is authority control less well deployed? (The number of interwikis for {{ Authority control}} suggest the former would be the case - or perhaps the categories haven't yet been interwikied?)
In particular, are any other Wikipedias using ORCID yet? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I added the template, with three parameter values, to our H. R. Giger and discovered before leaving that [a] it had been completed previously at Wikimedia Commons, [b] which had been linked to our biography ( timely version).
Perhaps someone knows how to find such cases automatically. -- P64 ( talk) 15:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I've been working with some of the MusicBrainz people on getting data linked with Wikidata, and now I'd like to add the artist id data to the main authority control template. Currently we link to MB with {{
musicbrainz artist}}
, but this is now stored in Wikidata with
d:P:P434. MB ids are a GUID, an example one looks like "6f050933-f23c-47ea-8479-a6d553788d82" (for
Walk the Moon/
d:Q7962114).
We should use a conditional switch so that the id only shows up for people who have an occupation for singer or musician (we can develop a better whitelist later on), so that we don't end up with people like Churchill having a link to a MB page ( [7]). We can also use "instance of" --> "band" and so on.
At the same time, we should convert all uses of {{
musicbrainz artist}}
to be {{
authority control}}
instead.
Thoughts? Legoktm ( talk) 22:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please copy Module:Authority control/sandbox to Module:Authority control. I've tested it using template sandbox and it seems to work fine. Sample cases you can test with: Britney Spears should get a MusicBrainz link but Winston Churchill should not, even though he has one in Wikidata. I could do this myself, however I'd like someone else to check the code before it goes live on so many articles. Legoktm ( talk) 16:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
{{ Authority control/WORLDCATID}} and {{ Authority control/ORCID}} have been unprotected. Presumably this should be reversed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
e.g. James Hayward is all of these: [10] [11] [12] - David Gerard ( talk) 09:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Please note the requests for
· לערי ריינהארט· T· m: Th· T· email me· 10:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
The following new properties are available:
They work fine. BNE can be linkified. I will post a note later. More identifiers to come. Best regards · לערי ריינהארט· T· m: Th· T· email me· 22:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to request to whitelist a few more Item IDs for the MusicBrainz whitelist. So far, I've come up with the following:
I'm not sure what the process is for updating the whitelist (except for asking here, of course), so any feedback/pointers in the right direction are much appreciated! -- Mineo ( talk) 13:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
you'll get a faster response.
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Judging by our article on Jerry Goldsmith, we have no tracking category for articles with MusicBrainz identifiers, unlike, say, Category:Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
It would help in handling authority control if we could see from which source the data come, without the need to open the source code. Perhaps we could add "(WD)" behind the authority control taken from Wikidata. -- Kolja21 ( talk) 13:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
SELIBR links have appeared to change format from http://libris.kb.se/auth/5459598 to http://libris.kb.se/bib/5459598. Just wanted to confirm that this is universally so and see whether the template should be updated. czar ♔ 04:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
The current Lua code checks for instance of (P31) band, but for other things like singer only P106 (occupation) is checked. That doesn't make much sense in my eyes. There are only very few artists that have things like "singer" as their actual occupation. Many others actually work in a very different job to get enough money, but they are relevant because of their work as an artist, not because of their job. So for theses setting P31 (instance of) singer (and others) in wikidata is fine, but P106 (occupation) probably isn't. Additionally, it is easy to find out if someone is a singer (listed as one in releases), but not easy to find out if this actually is their occupation. I still wouldn't consider this "AC link spam", since you wouldn't add P31:singer to Churchill, even if there is an MBID attached. -- JonnyJD ( talk) 17:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
The NLA is a library that covers Australian authors, and they feed into VIAF, so please add this component to the local template. thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
NLA
, and at Wikidate the property is is "NLA identifier" (P409). —
billinghurst
sDrewth 09:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does this template tell me VIAF:51750041 and LCCN:n/81/31673 here? -- bender235 ( talk) 09:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
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Can someone please add the the NDL and ULAN identifier here? As such wikidata has a property/statement field for NDL and the ULAN. Of course that would mean an edit would be nessarcary to update the Module that this template is dependent on. To be able to pull that information from wikidata. -- Clarkcj12 ( talk) 16:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The template page tells you this: "At the moment, it is used almost exclusively in biographical articles." Is that encouraging or discouraging use in non-biographical articles? I would like to use the template in a geographical location article, which has a VIAF number and books about the subject on WorldCat and further sources, so I would like to use the template to link to those sources. Thank you.-- ɱ (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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The Beatles are now a rock band, not a simple unspecific band and the MusicBrainz Artist ID doesn't appear anymore on the page. Can someone add property P31 with value 5741069 to the whitelist? The code should probably just be
{ 31, 5741069 }, -- instance of -> rock band
TIA, -- Mineo ( talk) 16:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
{{
Authority control}}
, which doesn't seem to have a whitelist. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC){{
editprotect}}
was the correct template to use. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)It seems that whoveer added SUDOC to this template didn't include the tracking categories used for other forms of AC. Can someone add them, please? Likewise for any untracked additions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
MusicBrainz uses the term MBID to refer to all of the universally unique identifiers used in the project. In this case the identifier MBA should be changed to MBID for consistency with the MusicBrainz project. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, could you add service categories like "Local VIAF value differs from Wikidata value". This is needed to track the next cases:
— Ivan A. Krestinin ( talk) 11:31, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi @
Docu: could you also add the tracking categories
Category:GND not on Wikidata and
Category:GND different on Wikidata? Thanks --
Kolja21 (
talk) 23:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
This heading continues my usage May and June 2012 and this content continues the latter discussion Template talk:Authority control/Archive 1#Placement, continued. (Placement meaning which pages get Authority control templates with which parameter values; Location meaning where in the page is the template.)
First, the state of affairs at our biography Daniel Handler has not changed from what I created and reported here. The footer contains and displays two completed templates, one for Handler and one for his fictional self Lemony Snicket; no a.c. template in our Snicket page. User:Kam Solusar alone replied in June 2012 and closed with advice that we complete one template with Handler parameter values at "his" Daniel Handler#External links; complete one with Snicket values at "his" Lemony Snicket#External links. (The one German record uses personal name Lemony Snicket and the Snicket template alone now gives GND=123374286.)
Second, whether or how to maintain distinct records or distinct ID for different names, such as Handler and Snicket, seems now to be a pending question at the German national library. For a correction I submitted this week I have email reply stating that pseudonym-related reports or requests are all on hold.
-- P64 ( talk) 20:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Just a quick note that recently the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard found that adding this template to wikipedia users' user pages without their prioir consent was a form of WP:OUTING and such edits should be reldev'd. The full discussion is here. Stuartyeates ( talk) 21:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea how it got there, but it's incorrect, useless, redundant (considering there's already a VIAF field of its own), and time-wasting. Thanks. Softlavender ( talk) 22:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Some of the AC systems we allow use check digits (ISNI and ORCID, for example). Shouldn't we add code to the Lua module(s) to validate these, and emit error warnings, instead of displaying bogus details? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
Does Category:Wikipedia:Authority control (key words only) serve any useful purpose? It was created in August 2011 and labelled "test / evaluation". How is it applied? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
To my understanding, the most wide-spread library classification system is Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC). Does anyone have time to add it here here? I notice that {{ Infobox book}} use both Dewey and LC Classification. (In my country, libraries are currently leaving our national letter-based system for Dewey, with reference to globalization.) Mange01 ( talk) 23:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
OUP are starting to produce an in-house identifier for their biographical databases - OBIN ( details). Worth including? It's valid for about 55,000 people at the time of writing, most of whom we can reasonably expect will eventually be covered in WP. Andrew Gray ( talk) 18:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Please see Help talk:Citation Style 1#ORCID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
For a casual Wikipedia reader (or even hardcore one if you like) this string of numbers is highly irrelevant. While it is a good addition, it hardly warrants a page-wide infobox. Maybe just big enough to show VIAF and the number? If other cataloguing systems are added, maybe then it could be page-wide. Now it's just plain confusing. -- Sigmundur ( talk) 07:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Should we add an ISNI parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please remove GKD and GKD-V1? As said above both identifiers are deprecated (now part of GND) and empty. Thanx -- Kolja21 ( talk) 19:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
A quick update on ISNI/ORCID as discussed above - after making some enquiries, the long-term plan is to investigate deduplication & merging of IDs between the two, but there's no firm plans and it's not going to happen any time soon.
So the state of play is that any one person may (and often will) have an ORCID and an ISNI, both using the same numbering scheme, checksums, etc. We should probably handle them seperately for the forseeable future - seperate identifier fields, resolving to seperate databases - and revisit the issue of merging in a couple of years. I'll file a Wikidata request to get a seperate ORCID property set up. Andrew Gray ( talk) 12:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I've suggested that Module talk:Authority control be redirected here, to avoid spitting conversations. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Can I (should I) use {{Authority control |VIAF=181843323}} on Book of Revelation or is this template only for people? Stuartyeates ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason for last year's change in our target? Then I said here that the links are useful to me as a reader, and as an editor. That is no longer true of our LCCN link.
Because German wikipedia has not changed its LCCN target, I now visit the LCCatalog via DE.wiki whenever that biography is available (that is under my settings, via linkname "Deutsch" in the left margin). The content more useful to me, a human being, is available at a glance. Accurate catalog search is available by point-and-click.
-- P64 ( talk) 19:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
This category needs comparison to "Pages with LCCN identifiers", and the LCCN numbers added to authority control on many (approx. 1/4 million, as of April 2013) articles. The LCCN numbers can be found from the VIAF pages by clicking the link next to the US flag on the linked page. This specific point might be appropriate for addressing with a script, or creation of a "Pages with VIAF and no LCCN" admin category.
Due to the way VIAF was built, the only entries that should not have LCCN numbers are non-English language authors and books that aren't 'notable' enough (in the English-language world) to be in the Library of Congress. Other VIAFs missing LCCNs are most likely duplicates, created by a bot (as of this writing, VIAF is actively addressing this issue with many 'ancient world' authors such as Sophocles Private communication, April 2013, Revent (talk) 2:47 pm, Today (UTC−5)).
You can help with this by doing 'name' searches for other VIAFs when you find a VIAF entry with no LCCN, and reporting duplicates to them via the 'feedback' link on the VIAF site. Doing so would be extremely helpful.
(the editor who added this, User:Revent, is specifically asking VIAF to look at what I have said here, and comment/elaborate if needed)
This is text that I have attempted to add to the category page. User:Pigsonthewing has repeatedly deleted it, so I am putting it here.
Revent ( talk) 22:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I've rewritten the template in Lua inside of Module:Authority control. I have also made some changes from the Wikitext template:
I've also design the module in order to be easily changed to use Wikidata data as fallback if the community agree. I've added a lot of cases to Template:Authority control/testcases to test the new Lua module called by Template:Authority control/sandbox. Is anyone opposed if I make the main template use the module? Any bugs/remarks/suggestions? Tpt ( talk) 13:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
A couple of questions:
This is what I determined for Wikidata correspondences. At the moment in the module the Wikidata numbers are just 0.
propertyMap = {'TYP': 'P107',
'LCCN': 'P244',
'VIAF':'P214',
#'ORCID':,
'GND':'P227',
#'PND':,
#'SELIBR':,
#'GDK':,
#'GDK-V1':,
#'SWD':,
'BNF':'P268',
#'BPN':,
#'RID':,
#'Scopus':,
#'BIBSYS':,
'ULAN':'P245',
'NDL':'P349',
'SUDOC':'P269',
#'KID':,
#'WORLDCATID':
'ISNI': 'P213',}
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximilianklein ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 10 April 2013
Can we now deploy this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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Can an admin familiar with this template please make the deployment discussed above? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Since 9 May all articles are linked to Module:Authority control. Four questions:
-- Kolja21 ( talk) 16:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
В Wikipedia ULAN идентификатор выдаёт ошибку, ссылка на другой сайт, в WikiData всё правильно. Протестируйте, пожалуйста. С уважением, -- Пробегающий ( talk) 16:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I have found a subject, Henry Shimer, who published several papers in the 1860s-1890s, but who has no entry at VIAF. Do I record that at Wikipedia:VIAF/errors (there's no relevant section at present)? Is there some other way of generating, or initiating the generation of, a VIAF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
One to keep an eye on for the future. The proposed [ Institutional Identifiers] for libraries and organisations in their supply chain. If this includes museums, it not only gives them a UID, but also, combined with accession numbers, a UID for each object or set of objects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I've updated the sanboxed version of the template (that is based on the sandboxed version of the module) to use Wikidata content as fallback: for each identifiers if the identifier is not set at the call of the template, the template will get the correspondent value, if it exists, from the item linked to the page in Wikidata. As we can currently only retrieve the data of the item linked to the current page this feature doesn't works in the template sandbox and have to be tested directly on article. here is an example where all ids are retrieved from Wkidata. Is there any opposition to activate this feature by default?
Remark: If there is more than one value for the same identifier in Wikidata, the first value is used. This behavior will be changed in the future to use the value with the best rank when the rank feature will be implemented in Wikidata.
Tpt ( talk) 07:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
ULAN template is generating wrong output with some numbers e.g. http://www.biografischportaal.nl/person_not_found?message=Geen+biografie+gevonden+met+deze+id%3A+500009826 instead of http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500009826 Richard Bruce Bradford ( talk) 16:48, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I tried to fix it in Module:Authority control and it seems to work now (maybe only after purging a page). -- WolfD59 ( talk) 15:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Thanks now seems to be ok. Richard Bruce Bradford ( talk) 16:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
As asked last year
Faith Hunter has two entries for VIAF and LCCN. For such people should we add an extra parameter say "as" to provide the name
VIAF=... LCCN=... |as=Gwen Hunter
RDBrown (
talk) 01:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The rules for formatting LCCN values are probably daunting to some editors, and are an inconvenience to the rest. Now that this template uses Lua, can't we encode them, so that raw data may be entered, and the template can handle the parsing? (It's also likely that Wikidata will store raw values, so we'll need to parse them once we import from there, anyway) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
1. Today I visited our joint biography of the Brothers Hildebrandt illustrators. Tim Hildebrandt died in 2006. Greg Hildebrandt is living.
1a. (Among other things in the first of two revisions) I added links to WorldCat and LC Authorities (the useful page, not LCNAF) for deceased Tim, as the last listed External links; completed and labeled template {{ Authority control}} for the living Greg; moved the latter above the one navbox for contiguity with the Tim links that may help some visitors interpret the template. Comments solicited. ( footer before; footer after)
1b. VIAFbot added templateAC for living Greg in November. Why? Perhaps because de:Tim Hildebrandt (In anderen Sprachen: English) links our Brothers Hildebrandt. DE.wiki has a biography of deceased Tim only, no redirect for Greg Hildebrandt, Gebrüder Hildebrandt, or Brothers Hildebrandt (which I have supposed to be their signature on all collaborative works of art, under which they may be known in all languages). The link from our joint biography (In other languages: Deutsch) to de:Tim Hildebrandt was deleted prior to November, and added to our Tim Hildebrandt {{ redirect to joint biography}}. The German authorities template Normdaten is completed for Tim correctly in the old-fashioned way (PND, LCCN).
2. For comparison, perhaps useful in this discussion, I also revised our biography Lynn Poole of a man whose wife Gray Johnson Poole is at least half notable. She is mentioned in the biog, of course, perhaps more than usually because some of their works were collaborative. This is not a joint biography but VIAFbot missed it entirely, so I am responsible for the entire section Lynn Poole#External links. I added standard link to Gray Johnson Poole at WorldCat and LC Authorities --as for Tim Hildebrandt-- and the completed template for Lynn Poole. Comments solicited.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Having multiple {{ Authority control}} in a single page can confuse Wikidata bots; I had to take care of Tim and Greg separately. IMHO all "joint biographies" should link to {{ Authority control}} codes of "joint AC entries" only (as VIAF 104887034); we could then populate AC codes on Redirects to joint biographies, maybe using Wikidata as fallback. -- Ricordi samoa 01:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I've found what is apparently a bug in the LCCN entry. The template decodes the entry for Anatolius of Laodicea "LCCN=nr/2003/025749" to link to the address: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/nr2003025749 . This address is apparently incorrect. Looking up Anatolius in the LOC Authorities page, I find that the permalink for Anatolius is http://lccn.loc.gov/nr2003025749 , which is a live link.
I've tried the LCCN links for a number of other historical persons and it seems this is a general problem. If this is not a transient problem at the LOC, it looks like some recoding of this template is called for. -- SteveMcCluskey ( talk) 20:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I miss a short description how one can use the authority template with the infos given by Wikidata. How many articles are using Wikidata as source right now? -- Kolja21 ( talk) 21:39, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
This continues one aspect of the recent discussion Template talk:Authority control/Archive 3#Joint biographies revisited.
Category:Redirects from individual people is populated by template {{ R from person}} among others. As I use CatScan recently, it appears that none of those 1000 redirects have VIAF identifiers ( Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers). Perhaps none transclude this template. Should they?
I learned this hour that DE.wiki does use the German versions of templates {{ Authority control}} and {{ Persondata}} in redirects --although the Normdaten template does not generate a display on the redirect page.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I support the application of {{ Authority control}} to such redirects. We could also consider adding an infobox (subject, of course, to WP:V and WP:BLP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
There was a discussion here, which from what I can gather resulted in a consensus in favour of adding Wikidata parameters unless overridden by the template as invoked. I've implemented the changes by copying the relevant bits from Module:Authority control/sandbox into Module:Authority control. If there are any objections, please let me know. Gabbe ( talk) 09:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
{{Authority control}}
, with no parameters? Or do I need to enter the required parameter names, such as {{Authority control |VIAF= |ORCID= }}
. How long do I have to wait to see if the data is supplied by Wikidata, before knowing I need to go and source it?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 11:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone see why there' a script error at Liudmyla Monastyrska? I've tried (in preview) all sorts of permutations of parameters, with no remedy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed the LCCN count on the project page linked to this talk page has been going down steadily over the past week; not a large amount; but enough to make me wonder what's going on... any info? I have been adding LCCNs to various biography articles because I think its useful to have the OCLC WorldCat Identities links as a good overview of what's owned by libraries and in what languages...; thanks--FeanorStar7 01:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Does this template really need to take up 100% width of a page by default? Most of the articles I see it on are like Scott Rosenberg (timely version) -- namely it consists of one short VIAF identifier, then takes up the rest of the page width with empty box styling. This seems unnecessary and visually is quite annoying. Steven Walling • talk 01:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It seems that this template is not showing in our mobile view. Please see discussion at WP:VPT#Mobile: Authority control not showing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers has only one interwiki link.
Category:Wikipedia articles with authority control information has eleven.
Category:Pages with authority control information, the parent category, and many of its other children, have none.
Is the category tree less well developed on other Wikipedias? Or is authority control less well deployed? (The number of interwikis for {{ Authority control}} suggest the former would be the case - or perhaps the categories haven't yet been interwikied?)
In particular, are any other Wikipedias using ORCID yet? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I added the template, with three parameter values, to our H. R. Giger and discovered before leaving that [a] it had been completed previously at Wikimedia Commons, [b] which had been linked to our biography ( timely version).
Perhaps someone knows how to find such cases automatically. -- P64 ( talk) 15:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
I've been working with some of the MusicBrainz people on getting data linked with Wikidata, and now I'd like to add the artist id data to the main authority control template. Currently we link to MB with {{
musicbrainz artist}}
, but this is now stored in Wikidata with
d:P:P434. MB ids are a GUID, an example one looks like "6f050933-f23c-47ea-8479-a6d553788d82" (for
Walk the Moon/
d:Q7962114).
We should use a conditional switch so that the id only shows up for people who have an occupation for singer or musician (we can develop a better whitelist later on), so that we don't end up with people like Churchill having a link to a MB page ( [7]). We can also use "instance of" --> "band" and so on.
At the same time, we should convert all uses of {{
musicbrainz artist}}
to be {{
authority control}}
instead.
Thoughts? Legoktm ( talk) 22:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please copy Module:Authority control/sandbox to Module:Authority control. I've tested it using template sandbox and it seems to work fine. Sample cases you can test with: Britney Spears should get a MusicBrainz link but Winston Churchill should not, even though he has one in Wikidata. I could do this myself, however I'd like someone else to check the code before it goes live on so many articles. Legoktm ( talk) 16:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
{{ Authority control/WORLDCATID}} and {{ Authority control/ORCID}} have been unprotected. Presumably this should be reversed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
e.g. James Hayward is all of these: [10] [11] [12] - David Gerard ( talk) 09:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Please note the requests for
· לערי ריינהארט· T· m: Th· T· email me· 10:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
The following new properties are available:
They work fine. BNE can be linkified. I will post a note later. More identifiers to come. Best regards · לערי ריינהארט· T· m: Th· T· email me· 22:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to request to whitelist a few more Item IDs for the MusicBrainz whitelist. So far, I've come up with the following:
I'm not sure what the process is for updating the whitelist (except for asking here, of course), so any feedback/pointers in the right direction are much appreciated! -- Mineo ( talk) 13:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
you'll get a faster response.
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Judging by our article on Jerry Goldsmith, we have no tracking category for articles with MusicBrainz identifiers, unlike, say, Category:Wikipedia articles with VIAF identifiers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
It would help in handling authority control if we could see from which source the data come, without the need to open the source code. Perhaps we could add "(WD)" behind the authority control taken from Wikidata. -- Kolja21 ( talk) 13:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
SELIBR links have appeared to change format from http://libris.kb.se/auth/5459598 to http://libris.kb.se/bib/5459598. Just wanted to confirm that this is universally so and see whether the template should be updated. czar ♔ 04:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
The current Lua code checks for instance of (P31) band, but for other things like singer only P106 (occupation) is checked. That doesn't make much sense in my eyes. There are only very few artists that have things like "singer" as their actual occupation. Many others actually work in a very different job to get enough money, but they are relevant because of their work as an artist, not because of their job. So for theses setting P31 (instance of) singer (and others) in wikidata is fine, but P106 (occupation) probably isn't. Additionally, it is easy to find out if someone is a singer (listed as one in releases), but not easy to find out if this actually is their occupation. I still wouldn't consider this "AC link spam", since you wouldn't add P31:singer to Churchill, even if there is an MBID attached. -- JonnyJD ( talk) 17:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
The NLA is a library that covers Australian authors, and they feed into VIAF, so please add this component to the local template. thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
NLA
, and at Wikidate the property is is "NLA identifier" (P409). —
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sDrewth 09:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does this template tell me VIAF:51750041 and LCCN:n/81/31673 here? -- bender235 ( talk) 09:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
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Can someone please add the the NDL and ULAN identifier here? As such wikidata has a property/statement field for NDL and the ULAN. Of course that would mean an edit would be nessarcary to update the Module that this template is dependent on. To be able to pull that information from wikidata. -- Clarkcj12 ( talk) 16:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The template page tells you this: "At the moment, it is used almost exclusively in biographical articles." Is that encouraging or discouraging use in non-biographical articles? I would like to use the template in a geographical location article, which has a VIAF number and books about the subject on WorldCat and further sources, so I would like to use the template to link to those sources. Thank you.-- ɱ (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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The Beatles are now a rock band, not a simple unspecific band and the MusicBrainz Artist ID doesn't appear anymore on the page. Can someone add property P31 with value 5741069 to the whitelist? The code should probably just be
{ 31, 5741069 }, -- instance of -> rock band
TIA, -- Mineo ( talk) 16:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
{{
Authority control}}
, which doesn't seem to have a whitelist. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 16:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC){{
editprotect}}
was the correct template to use. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)It seems that whoveer added SUDOC to this template didn't include the tracking categories used for other forms of AC. Can someone add them, please? Likewise for any untracked additions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
MusicBrainz uses the term MBID to refer to all of the universally unique identifiers used in the project. In this case the identifier MBA should be changed to MBID for consistency with the MusicBrainz project. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, could you add service categories like "Local VIAF value differs from Wikidata value". This is needed to track the next cases:
— Ivan A. Krestinin ( talk) 11:31, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi @
Docu: could you also add the tracking categories
Category:GND not on Wikidata and
Category:GND different on Wikidata? Thanks --
Kolja21 (
talk) 23:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
This heading continues my usage May and June 2012 and this content continues the latter discussion Template talk:Authority control/Archive 1#Placement, continued. (Placement meaning which pages get Authority control templates with which parameter values; Location meaning where in the page is the template.)
First, the state of affairs at our biography Daniel Handler has not changed from what I created and reported here. The footer contains and displays two completed templates, one for Handler and one for his fictional self Lemony Snicket; no a.c. template in our Snicket page. User:Kam Solusar alone replied in June 2012 and closed with advice that we complete one template with Handler parameter values at "his" Daniel Handler#External links; complete one with Snicket values at "his" Lemony Snicket#External links. (The one German record uses personal name Lemony Snicket and the Snicket template alone now gives GND=123374286.)
Second, whether or how to maintain distinct records or distinct ID for different names, such as Handler and Snicket, seems now to be a pending question at the German national library. For a correction I submitted this week I have email reply stating that pseudonym-related reports or requests are all on hold.
-- P64 ( talk) 20:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Just a quick note that recently the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard found that adding this template to wikipedia users' user pages without their prioir consent was a form of WP:OUTING and such edits should be reldev'd. The full discussion is here. Stuartyeates ( talk) 21:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea how it got there, but it's incorrect, useless, redundant (considering there's already a VIAF field of its own), and time-wasting. Thanks. Softlavender ( talk) 22:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Some of the AC systems we allow use check digits (ISNI and ORCID, for example). Shouldn't we add code to the Lua module(s) to validate these, and emit error warnings, instead of displaying bogus details? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)