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Schumpeter was from Austria, but he was never an Austrian School economist. -- 78.22.53.64 ( talk) 15:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC) Schumpeter never identified himself with the school--like all really great thinkers, he was too unique to do so. But he was Wieser's student, and as such far more fit to be included here than such non-economists as Ron Paul (!) or non-Austrian economists as Robert Higgs. Whatever some American fans of "Austrian economics" may think, the term ought not to be treated as a synonym for "libertarianism," radical or otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 01:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Should tis list be alphabetized. Could this be done by a bot? Trasel ( talk) 00:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The persons who keep adding names of non-economists (e.g. North and Schiff), and of economists who aren't Austrians (e.g. Higgs and Holcombe), or of utter unknowns (e.g., themselves), need to cut it out. Ron Paul is a doctor and a politician; Robert Higgs has never called himself and Austrian, etc. Just because someone favors free markets, or is a fan of von Mises, doesn't qualify! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 13:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, political categories ("classical liberal," "anarcho-capitalist") are inappropriate means for categorizing members of a school of economic thought--and particularly so in light of the fact that many members of the school don't fit any of the categories. The writer apparently doesn't know the difference between free-market ideology and Austrian economics, as anyone with some knowledge of the school's history ought to. Mises and Rothbard were to be sure libertarians; Weisser and Menger were not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 01:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
The real problem is that the actual division between modern Austrians is Rothbardians versus non-Rothbardians, but if you try to distinguish it that way, you'll accomplish little more than angering people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.123.2 ( talk) 07:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
If the template is supposed to list Austrian School economists, my feeling is that it probably should limit itself to doing so. BigK HeX ( talk) 19:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Several of the fellow travelers were previously listed among the other headers. There is a great deal of debate over whether figures like Schumpeter or Shackle or Wicksell were "really" Austrians. The others, such as Ostrom or Buchanan, emphatically cite the Austrian school as a major influence in their work and it's ambiguous whether history will judge them as "really" Austrians or not. Given the level of disagreement (and the general controversy that exists within the school itself over such semantic issues), I don't see anything wrong with a half-loaf approach, so to speak. Darsox64 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
1. Public Figures. Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Henry Hazlitt, and Rand Paul (maybe Nassim Taleb as well, although that's a bit more controversial).
2. Austrian School Influences: Shackle, Wicksell, Schumpeter, Weber, Kant, and Bastiat.
3. Austrian Macroeconomics: Benjamin Anderson, William Anderson, Garrison, Fetter, Harbeler, Herbener, Hutt, Lachmann, Robbins, Selgin, Sennholz, Skousen, Hulsmann, de Soto, Horwitz, Salerno, Thornton, and Yeager.
4. Austrian Microeconomics: Davenport, Kirzner, Machlap, Prychitko, Romanchuk, Reisman, Block, Callahan, Holcombe, Klein, Leeson, Murphy, and Strignham. Austrian Theory and Methodology: Caldwell, Ebeling, Maltsev, Boettke, Hoppe, Rothbard, and Woods.
Of the templates on economic schools, I think this template is currently the largest (measuring over 10 lines of text on my screen, making it roughly a third larger than the next biggest template). I think we might be at a good limit. It may also be feasible to prune a few of names of lesser notability. Thoughts? BigK HeX ( talk) 18:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add Garet Garrett to the list of Austrian influences? I know Mises mentions him, and he's got a few postings on the LvMI site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.86.4 ( talk) 20:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought about adding him before it was suggested the template should be reduced in size. He was part of the "old right" in general and was respected by Mises and was somewhat of an influence on Rothbard, but that influence had more to do with the libertarian side than the actual economics. I'd put him behind the other influences that are listed in relative importance. Darsox64 ( talk) 03:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious to get some feedback on this. It seems as though he is a worthy add to that category, as he's not an economist by trade, but is certainly a public figure for the school, having written and edited various books and publications that deal with the subject, as well as being the founder and chairman of the largest and most well-known organization associated with the school. -- JohnDoe0007 ( talk) 03:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Please don't rename and re-scope an entire template without consensus. And pulling Austrian School economists out from under the label just because they haven't "contributed to Austrian School Theory" is probably a mistake. That seems a bit subjective and unencyclopedic. An economist can fully embrace Austrian theory without adding to its core tenets. For a parallel, look at the Keynesians, for example. Not every economist has published as much as J.K. Galbraith. A lot of well-known mid-level economists that haven't attempted to modify or expand on Keynes are still clearly in the Keynes camp. Expatter ( talk) 14:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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Schumpeter was from Austria, but he was never an Austrian School economist. -- 78.22.53.64 ( talk) 15:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC) Schumpeter never identified himself with the school--like all really great thinkers, he was too unique to do so. But he was Wieser's student, and as such far more fit to be included here than such non-economists as Ron Paul (!) or non-Austrian economists as Robert Higgs. Whatever some American fans of "Austrian economics" may think, the term ought not to be treated as a synonym for "libertarianism," radical or otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 01:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Should tis list be alphabetized. Could this be done by a bot? Trasel ( talk) 00:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The persons who keep adding names of non-economists (e.g. North and Schiff), and of economists who aren't Austrians (e.g. Higgs and Holcombe), or of utter unknowns (e.g., themselves), need to cut it out. Ron Paul is a doctor and a politician; Robert Higgs has never called himself and Austrian, etc. Just because someone favors free markets, or is a fan of von Mises, doesn't qualify! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 13:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, political categories ("classical liberal," "anarcho-capitalist") are inappropriate means for categorizing members of a school of economic thought--and particularly so in light of the fact that many members of the school don't fit any of the categories. The writer apparently doesn't know the difference between free-market ideology and Austrian economics, as anyone with some knowledge of the school's history ought to. Mises and Rothbard were to be sure libertarians; Weisser and Menger were not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonidepoli ( talk • contribs) 01:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
The real problem is that the actual division between modern Austrians is Rothbardians versus non-Rothbardians, but if you try to distinguish it that way, you'll accomplish little more than angering people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.123.2 ( talk) 07:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
If the template is supposed to list Austrian School economists, my feeling is that it probably should limit itself to doing so. BigK HeX ( talk) 19:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Several of the fellow travelers were previously listed among the other headers. There is a great deal of debate over whether figures like Schumpeter or Shackle or Wicksell were "really" Austrians. The others, such as Ostrom or Buchanan, emphatically cite the Austrian school as a major influence in their work and it's ambiguous whether history will judge them as "really" Austrians or not. Given the level of disagreement (and the general controversy that exists within the school itself over such semantic issues), I don't see anything wrong with a half-loaf approach, so to speak. Darsox64 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
1. Public Figures. Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Henry Hazlitt, and Rand Paul (maybe Nassim Taleb as well, although that's a bit more controversial).
2. Austrian School Influences: Shackle, Wicksell, Schumpeter, Weber, Kant, and Bastiat.
3. Austrian Macroeconomics: Benjamin Anderson, William Anderson, Garrison, Fetter, Harbeler, Herbener, Hutt, Lachmann, Robbins, Selgin, Sennholz, Skousen, Hulsmann, de Soto, Horwitz, Salerno, Thornton, and Yeager.
4. Austrian Microeconomics: Davenport, Kirzner, Machlap, Prychitko, Romanchuk, Reisman, Block, Callahan, Holcombe, Klein, Leeson, Murphy, and Strignham. Austrian Theory and Methodology: Caldwell, Ebeling, Maltsev, Boettke, Hoppe, Rothbard, and Woods.
Of the templates on economic schools, I think this template is currently the largest (measuring over 10 lines of text on my screen, making it roughly a third larger than the next biggest template). I think we might be at a good limit. It may also be feasible to prune a few of names of lesser notability. Thoughts? BigK HeX ( talk) 18:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add Garet Garrett to the list of Austrian influences? I know Mises mentions him, and he's got a few postings on the LvMI site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.86.4 ( talk) 20:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought about adding him before it was suggested the template should be reduced in size. He was part of the "old right" in general and was respected by Mises and was somewhat of an influence on Rothbard, but that influence had more to do with the libertarian side than the actual economics. I'd put him behind the other influences that are listed in relative importance. Darsox64 ( talk) 03:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious to get some feedback on this. It seems as though he is a worthy add to that category, as he's not an economist by trade, but is certainly a public figure for the school, having written and edited various books and publications that deal with the subject, as well as being the founder and chairman of the largest and most well-known organization associated with the school. -- JohnDoe0007 ( talk) 03:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Please don't rename and re-scope an entire template without consensus. And pulling Austrian School economists out from under the label just because they haven't "contributed to Austrian School Theory" is probably a mistake. That seems a bit subjective and unencyclopedic. An economist can fully embrace Austrian theory without adding to its core tenets. For a parallel, look at the Keynesians, for example. Not every economist has published as much as J.K. Galbraith. A lot of well-known mid-level economists that haven't attempted to modify or expand on Keynes are still clearly in the Keynes camp. Expatter ( talk) 14:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)