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![]() | This template was considered for deletion on 28 April 2012. The result of the discussion was "keep, but consider simplification". |
There seems to be a problem with welcoming people whose name end in "!!" ( looks like thisa\). Not sure if there is a way to fix this, just thought I'd say it here. -- Will Mak 050389 15:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that we merge templates similar to this one. I have a version of this one that I use here User:Kukini/Welcome. I like having it there, as I feel free to adjust it to fit the different things I would like it to say based on my interactions with other users (particularly new ones). I would probably use the Template:Welcomeg template if it said a few more things in the header than does this one right now. Honestly, I am OK with people copying this, or the one on my userpage and making it fit them, but I am open to discussion on the topic. Finally, thank you to those of you who do welcome other new users with this sort of information and courtesy. Kukini 23:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Does a section heading need to be there? I'm so used to typing out my own, that every time I use this template, the talk page always ends up with two section headings. If not remove it, could it be made to be a bit less enthusiastic? By that, I mean could two exclamation marks be removed? talk to JD wants e-mail 23:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I hope it was ok me including this category into the template, and the mention of the adopt-a-user program. At the moment there are many issues that i am trying to research. This category serves our research into new users and the various trends associated with the user creation log. The main points of interest are...
Please discuss these issues and/or offer your help in analysing these points on the category's talk page. Thank you! frummer 22:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Good grief! I know the creators meant well, but this template and others like are are waaay to busy, garish and ugly. They take up a ton of room, and quite frankly, clog up talk pages. Template:Welcome is simple but sweet and doesn't take half a page of flash! wiz! bang! pop! to say "Howdy." -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This may seem useful to the seasoned Wikipedian, but this would be overwhelming for a new user. The simple introduction pages would be appropriate for a new user. — SparklingWiggle Get a job! 16:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I struck a good balance. Made all tables collapsible. Doesnt take up much place in talk page. Somebody improve colour combinations. cheers. Lara bran 04:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for acceptance of my edit. I made another edit which will make code easily understood by new users with comments "table starts/ends here". This i think improves readability of code. Again, somebody improve color combination. thanks, Lara bran 09:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
An example where I presume this welcome template message is at least partially responsible for messing up a page: User talk:Manghatpranav19#Welcome!. I CBF figuring out exactly what went wrong there, but it’s even screwed with my section further down the page. I wonder if at least the fancy table syntax and formatting is necessary. Vadmium ( talk, contribs) 12:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC).
When using this template, I sometimes (but not always) get • displayed instead of a bullet separator, such as:
Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry
instead of:
Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry
Any idea what causes this? It is not the PC I'm using, as it happens on some pages but not others, and across different PCs... or do I just need new specs? Thanks, Lynbarn 08:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
A few minutes ago, I reverted (well, tried to) the edit by User:Andyjsmith as it seemed to have removed all the show/hide boxes. As I edited it though, something odd was happening with the page history, some edits seemed to go missing, then reappear next time I returned to the history page, so I will leave it till later to see what happens. Regards, Lynbarn 12:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The recent collapsible sections additions were reverted [1], along with a number of other undisputed edits. I'm not sure how these edits were unjustified and against consensus, as there were no objections. I prefer the collapsible sections, and also the removal of the bold-face from the intro text. Also Getting "adopted" by was reverted to Get adoption from. Vanderdecken, would you explain the wholesale revert? ∴ here… ♠ 19:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with
Tyrenius, collapsible welcome can be made in seperate template. Also current template has long history, let it remain as it is. But only change i suggest is using "start and end of table" comments. This is because 1. table code is difficult to comprehend, 2. message is not properly visible(and unnecessarily bold), 3. sign is not at end of message 4. current code is asked for deletion due to complexity.
Lara bran
03:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I reverted to which has same look and feel as good old, which we consider as temp consensus. Collapsible can be done after consensus. I feel collapsible can be made in a separate template.
Lara bran
03:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
As one of the editors who was responsible for greatly expanding Welcomeg in the first place, I support Lara bran's collapsible feature. Welcomeg has been criticized in the past for being too intimidating for newcomers with its barrage of links. Collapsing the template makes it much easier on the eyes in my honest opinion. Forking off another welcome template when one will do is just redundant. We only need one welcome template that links to just about every policy and guideline we have. The only other suggestion I'd like to make is that we keep the old colour scheme (which I'm rather fond of) on the collapsible version. -- Netsnipe ► 13:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
wait, now one risk, in newer version i made table into non-subst template. which will make {{tl|welcomeg/table} immortal. That you cant delete at all. But this reduces code in user page to significantly and saves wiki memory. Lara bran 11:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
This link says it is obsolete. I give out copies of this mostly to new users... or at least those who do things that make it seem they are new (like edits that get them warned). My edit "skillz" are not "leet" and I fear to try to change the template, but this link says it is dead, so it should be removed, I think. Is there a replacement? sinneed ( talk) 05:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Those of us involved at the Teahouse pilot are interested in seeing a link to the Teahouse placed in this welcome template. This will be able to help us drive new editor traffic to the Teahouse during this pilot period, and allow us to continue to assess the pilot to the best of our ability. The welcome template is a great and powerful tool for new users, and it'd be really valuable to give new editors the choice to visit the Teahouse for assistance and community experience. I do hope that you will support this. Thank you for your consideration :) Sarah ( talk) 23:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like for the "getting started" link at Template:Welcomeg/links to link to Help:Getting started WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I came across the current table and updated it for use on my talk page. I wish I had something like it when I first joined last year and for reference as I began to use Wikipedia more extensively.
I would propose for your consideration updating the Welcome table, as shown below.
I updated the welcome introduction.
I regrouped links with more closely related topics. I added more complete link descriptions when it would provide a clearer explanation of the linked information for a user prior to them clicking on the link. I added a couple of key links that I found would be useful to know for immediate access for users rather than trying to search for them. Wondering55 ( talk) 06:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
COLLAPSIBLE VERSION
EXPANDED VERSION
|
I updated the table, as noted below. There are currently 72 links in the table section. In referencing the links below, I indicated whether they are (E) - Existing items in the current template, or (P) - Proposed new item for inclusion
I copy edited the description of Wikipedia newspaper link in the table and added common abbreviation for various linked topics. Wondering55 ( talk) 14:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I added non-breaking spaces after bullets and before abbreviations in the table. Wondering55 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I requested a relatively new Wikipedia user, who already received the current template/table, to provide feedback about the benefits, need for other improvements, limitations, or problems with the proposed Welcome template/table and compare the current Welcome template/table with my proposed template/table. The user responded:
The proposed Welcome template improves on the current table due to:
@ DangerousPanda: @ DVdm: In comparison to the current template, the updated version of the template has:
When I gave a user the choice between the current Welcomeg greeting and table and the updated Welcome greeting with more comprehensive links in the expanded version, they immediately chose the updated version.
When I gave that same user, the choice between the expanded or collapsible version of the updated Welcome greeting with more comprehensive links, they immediately chose the collapsible version since it does not overwhelm their page and is easily expanded, when needed.
The user indicated that the updated versions, both in the expanded and collapsible form, are much better than the current Welcomeg greeting. They would have used either the expanded or collapsible version when welcoming new users rather than the current greeting since the updated version is better with more useful links. Since the collapsible version does not overwhelm novice users or the presentation on their user page and is very easy to expand, they indicated that they would post the collapsible version on new users' pages when welcoming them.
The user indicated that they would continue to use the Welcome greeting based on the updated, collapsible version with more comprehensive links when welcoming new users, rather than the reverted current Welcomeg greeting.
There has been no user feedback to indicate that there is anything wrong with the updated version of the Welcomeg greeting with better and more comprehensive links
I recommend that the updated template be used either in the expanded or collapsible form. I would recommend the collapsible form. Any suggested improvements in terms of presentation or content would be welcomed.
The improved version should not be eliminated without further discussion. Wondering55 ( talk) 00:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
DangerousPanda continues with uncivil comments and inaccurate statements.
The facts show that I did not screw up any instructions.
The facts show that I simply fixed the previous wrong and incomplete instructions, instituted by administrators, that I previously pointed out. Because of reverting actions by other administrators, the updated instructions are now wrong. Either way, it is now up to the administrators to fix or revert what they have broken. I simply am showing my good faith and professional etiquette to alert administrators to this problem.
The facts show that I was not told not to "feck" around with it, even though DangerousPanda continues to repeatedly make this false statement.
The facts show that I have been providing clear rational explanations.
The facts show that every new user would have the simple common sense, without a need to know anything about Wikipedia, to be able to click on a clearly highlighted "Show" or "Hide" link to open or close tables.
The facts are that an existing Welcome greeting, approved by Wikipedia administrators, already uses same type of collapsible tables that I used. Administrators did not worry about new users, who supposedly could not figure out the simplest of features.
The facts show that I opened up this very extensive Talk discussion for announcing my proposed changes for the Welcome greeting to the community over a 6 week period so that I could get feedback. For some reason, most administrators ignored this discussion.
The facts show that the updated Welcome greeting was posted for three weeks without a single complaint from "frequent" users of this template.
I am now steering clear of this template, as requested. There is no reason for any continued debate. I have been as helpful as I can possibly be. Administrators of this template need to take over full responsibility. Wondering55 ( talk) 03:00, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
See Template talk:Welcomeh#Broken? - wolf 18:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Please take a look at what happened when I did this: [2]. It shows up on the talk page saying, "Hello {{SUBST:PAGENAME}}! Welcome to Wikipedia!" -- David Tornheim ( talk) 18:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
{{
subst:Welcomeg}}
); but you didn't do that. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
19:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
"Pages needing attention" under "Things to do" currently links to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, which is marked as outdated and recommends using Category:Articles needing attention instead. This seems like a no-brainer but I'm pretty new and it looks like User:sinneed asked about this in 2008 with no response. Is there a reason not to change it? Qb42 ( talk) 19:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Should be completely non-controversial, but I want to change to link to Wikipedia: The Missing Manual from Book:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual to Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. The later contains the same information with better organization, including a search box, and without confusing warnings. Will leave it for a day and then implement it. -- Trialpears ( talk) 20:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This template is in the collection of greetings templates maintained by the Welcoming Committee. For other templates in the collection, see Welcome templates. |
![]() | This template was considered for deletion on 28 April 2012. The result of the discussion was "keep, but consider simplification". |
There seems to be a problem with welcoming people whose name end in "!!" ( looks like thisa\). Not sure if there is a way to fix this, just thought I'd say it here. -- Will Mak 050389 15:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that we merge templates similar to this one. I have a version of this one that I use here User:Kukini/Welcome. I like having it there, as I feel free to adjust it to fit the different things I would like it to say based on my interactions with other users (particularly new ones). I would probably use the Template:Welcomeg template if it said a few more things in the header than does this one right now. Honestly, I am OK with people copying this, or the one on my userpage and making it fit them, but I am open to discussion on the topic. Finally, thank you to those of you who do welcome other new users with this sort of information and courtesy. Kukini 23:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Does a section heading need to be there? I'm so used to typing out my own, that every time I use this template, the talk page always ends up with two section headings. If not remove it, could it be made to be a bit less enthusiastic? By that, I mean could two exclamation marks be removed? talk to JD wants e-mail 23:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I hope it was ok me including this category into the template, and the mention of the adopt-a-user program. At the moment there are many issues that i am trying to research. This category serves our research into new users and the various trends associated with the user creation log. The main points of interest are...
Please discuss these issues and/or offer your help in analysing these points on the category's talk page. Thank you! frummer 22:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Good grief! I know the creators meant well, but this template and others like are are waaay to busy, garish and ugly. They take up a ton of room, and quite frankly, clog up talk pages. Template:Welcome is simple but sweet and doesn't take half a page of flash! wiz! bang! pop! to say "Howdy." -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This may seem useful to the seasoned Wikipedian, but this would be overwhelming for a new user. The simple introduction pages would be appropriate for a new user. — SparklingWiggle Get a job! 16:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I struck a good balance. Made all tables collapsible. Doesnt take up much place in talk page. Somebody improve colour combinations. cheers. Lara bran 04:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for acceptance of my edit. I made another edit which will make code easily understood by new users with comments "table starts/ends here". This i think improves readability of code. Again, somebody improve color combination. thanks, Lara bran 09:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
An example where I presume this welcome template message is at least partially responsible for messing up a page: User talk:Manghatpranav19#Welcome!. I CBF figuring out exactly what went wrong there, but it’s even screwed with my section further down the page. I wonder if at least the fancy table syntax and formatting is necessary. Vadmium ( talk, contribs) 12:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC).
When using this template, I sometimes (but not always) get • displayed instead of a bullet separator, such as:
Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry
instead of:
Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry
Any idea what causes this? It is not the PC I'm using, as it happens on some pages but not others, and across different PCs... or do I just need new specs? Thanks, Lynbarn 08:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
A few minutes ago, I reverted (well, tried to) the edit by User:Andyjsmith as it seemed to have removed all the show/hide boxes. As I edited it though, something odd was happening with the page history, some edits seemed to go missing, then reappear next time I returned to the history page, so I will leave it till later to see what happens. Regards, Lynbarn 12:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The recent collapsible sections additions were reverted [1], along with a number of other undisputed edits. I'm not sure how these edits were unjustified and against consensus, as there were no objections. I prefer the collapsible sections, and also the removal of the bold-face from the intro text. Also Getting "adopted" by was reverted to Get adoption from. Vanderdecken, would you explain the wholesale revert? ∴ here… ♠ 19:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with
Tyrenius, collapsible welcome can be made in seperate template. Also current template has long history, let it remain as it is. But only change i suggest is using "start and end of table" comments. This is because 1. table code is difficult to comprehend, 2. message is not properly visible(and unnecessarily bold), 3. sign is not at end of message 4. current code is asked for deletion due to complexity.
Lara bran
03:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I reverted to which has same look and feel as good old, which we consider as temp consensus. Collapsible can be done after consensus. I feel collapsible can be made in a separate template.
Lara bran
03:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
As one of the editors who was responsible for greatly expanding Welcomeg in the first place, I support Lara bran's collapsible feature. Welcomeg has been criticized in the past for being too intimidating for newcomers with its barrage of links. Collapsing the template makes it much easier on the eyes in my honest opinion. Forking off another welcome template when one will do is just redundant. We only need one welcome template that links to just about every policy and guideline we have. The only other suggestion I'd like to make is that we keep the old colour scheme (which I'm rather fond of) on the collapsible version. -- Netsnipe ► 13:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
wait, now one risk, in newer version i made table into non-subst template. which will make {{tl|welcomeg/table} immortal. That you cant delete at all. But this reduces code in user page to significantly and saves wiki memory. Lara bran 11:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
This link says it is obsolete. I give out copies of this mostly to new users... or at least those who do things that make it seem they are new (like edits that get them warned). My edit "skillz" are not "leet" and I fear to try to change the template, but this link says it is dead, so it should be removed, I think. Is there a replacement? sinneed ( talk) 05:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi everyone. Those of us involved at the Teahouse pilot are interested in seeing a link to the Teahouse placed in this welcome template. This will be able to help us drive new editor traffic to the Teahouse during this pilot period, and allow us to continue to assess the pilot to the best of our ability. The welcome template is a great and powerful tool for new users, and it'd be really valuable to give new editors the choice to visit the Teahouse for assistance and community experience. I do hope that you will support this. Thank you for your consideration :) Sarah ( talk) 23:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like for the "getting started" link at Template:Welcomeg/links to link to Help:Getting started WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I came across the current table and updated it for use on my talk page. I wish I had something like it when I first joined last year and for reference as I began to use Wikipedia more extensively.
I would propose for your consideration updating the Welcome table, as shown below.
I updated the welcome introduction.
I regrouped links with more closely related topics. I added more complete link descriptions when it would provide a clearer explanation of the linked information for a user prior to them clicking on the link. I added a couple of key links that I found would be useful to know for immediate access for users rather than trying to search for them. Wondering55 ( talk) 06:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
COLLAPSIBLE VERSION
|
EXPANDED VERSION
|
I updated the table, as noted below. There are currently 72 links in the table section. In referencing the links below, I indicated whether they are (E) - Existing items in the current template, or (P) - Proposed new item for inclusion
I copy edited the description of Wikipedia newspaper link in the table and added common abbreviation for various linked topics. Wondering55 ( talk) 14:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I added non-breaking spaces after bullets and before abbreviations in the table. Wondering55 ( talk) 16:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I requested a relatively new Wikipedia user, who already received the current template/table, to provide feedback about the benefits, need for other improvements, limitations, or problems with the proposed Welcome template/table and compare the current Welcome template/table with my proposed template/table. The user responded:
The proposed Welcome template improves on the current table due to:
@ DangerousPanda: @ DVdm: In comparison to the current template, the updated version of the template has:
When I gave a user the choice between the current Welcomeg greeting and table and the updated Welcome greeting with more comprehensive links in the expanded version, they immediately chose the updated version.
When I gave that same user, the choice between the expanded or collapsible version of the updated Welcome greeting with more comprehensive links, they immediately chose the collapsible version since it does not overwhelm their page and is easily expanded, when needed.
The user indicated that the updated versions, both in the expanded and collapsible form, are much better than the current Welcomeg greeting. They would have used either the expanded or collapsible version when welcoming new users rather than the current greeting since the updated version is better with more useful links. Since the collapsible version does not overwhelm novice users or the presentation on their user page and is very easy to expand, they indicated that they would post the collapsible version on new users' pages when welcoming them.
The user indicated that they would continue to use the Welcome greeting based on the updated, collapsible version with more comprehensive links when welcoming new users, rather than the reverted current Welcomeg greeting.
There has been no user feedback to indicate that there is anything wrong with the updated version of the Welcomeg greeting with better and more comprehensive links
I recommend that the updated template be used either in the expanded or collapsible form. I would recommend the collapsible form. Any suggested improvements in terms of presentation or content would be welcomed.
The improved version should not be eliminated without further discussion. Wondering55 ( talk) 00:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
DangerousPanda continues with uncivil comments and inaccurate statements.
The facts show that I did not screw up any instructions.
The facts show that I simply fixed the previous wrong and incomplete instructions, instituted by administrators, that I previously pointed out. Because of reverting actions by other administrators, the updated instructions are now wrong. Either way, it is now up to the administrators to fix or revert what they have broken. I simply am showing my good faith and professional etiquette to alert administrators to this problem.
The facts show that I was not told not to "feck" around with it, even though DangerousPanda continues to repeatedly make this false statement.
The facts show that I have been providing clear rational explanations.
The facts show that every new user would have the simple common sense, without a need to know anything about Wikipedia, to be able to click on a clearly highlighted "Show" or "Hide" link to open or close tables.
The facts are that an existing Welcome greeting, approved by Wikipedia administrators, already uses same type of collapsible tables that I used. Administrators did not worry about new users, who supposedly could not figure out the simplest of features.
The facts show that I opened up this very extensive Talk discussion for announcing my proposed changes for the Welcome greeting to the community over a 6 week period so that I could get feedback. For some reason, most administrators ignored this discussion.
The facts show that the updated Welcome greeting was posted for three weeks without a single complaint from "frequent" users of this template.
I am now steering clear of this template, as requested. There is no reason for any continued debate. I have been as helpful as I can possibly be. Administrators of this template need to take over full responsibility. Wondering55 ( talk) 03:00, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
See Template talk:Welcomeh#Broken? - wolf 18:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Please take a look at what happened when I did this: [2]. It shows up on the talk page saying, "Hello {{SUBST:PAGENAME}}! Welcome to Wikipedia!" -- David Tornheim ( talk) 18:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
{{
subst:Welcomeg}}
); but you didn't do that. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
19:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
"Pages needing attention" under "Things to do" currently links to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, which is marked as outdated and recommends using Category:Articles needing attention instead. This seems like a no-brainer but I'm pretty new and it looks like User:sinneed asked about this in 2008 with no response. Is there a reason not to change it? Qb42 ( talk) 19:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Should be completely non-controversial, but I want to change to link to Wikipedia: The Missing Manual from Book:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual to Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. The later contains the same information with better organization, including a search box, and without confusing warnings. Will leave it for a day and then implement it. -- Trialpears ( talk) 20:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)