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deletion on 2008 November 26. The result of the discussion was "no consensus".
Links
How was it decided what links to include in this template? Is there any reason to it?
Flowerparty☀ 01:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes. The general rule was to include individuals and organisations mentioned in the article
UK underground as relevant participants, or where such involvement is indicated in the subject's article. Is there something which you think should or shouldn't be in the template? Ty 02:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I just don't see why we need a navbox for this. It's not like these people and groups actually signed up to be part of the UK underground, right? They're just kind of lumped together. The box does does provide an admirable summary of the topic, I'll grant, but surely that's what the article's supposed to do.
Flowerparty☀ 03:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
The article is meant to provide a comprehensive examination of the subject. A navbox then enables readers to easily access different aspects of this to read about them in more depth than the article can provide. Anyone wanting to do this will find the navbox extremely helpful. The article defines certain bands, publications and individuals as part of the UK underground, as they were recognised as taking a part in it. The navbox reflects this. If you find it problematic, then this should be addressed in the article content. Ty 12:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
"Liverpool developed into a notable centre in the underground literary scene with its own distinctive 'Mersey sound'" -
The Mersey Sound[13]
"
Floyd were the official group of the underground. The bible of the underground was the
International Times, the meeting point of the underground became the
UFO club"
[14]
Yes, the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene, but this only doesn't make a template valid. This is the equivalent to making a template called "Hollywood Scene" and including Lindsay Lohan and Jennifer Aniston. A list like this can never be absolute and conclusive. Your sources are subjective, opinions from people in newspapers, etc. The word "underground" itself is up to interpretation and it's used regularly not always meaning the same thing, even in the quotes you just included. Way too vague for Wikipedia I think! --
Agusk7 (
talk) 20:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
It doesn't have to be absolute and conclusive, only helpful for those wishing to access relevant articles, namely ones where, as you say, "the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene". It's not up to us to second-guess sources, just to use them, as stated in
WP:NPOV. Ty 20:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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This template was considered for
deletion on 2008 November 26. The result of the discussion was "no consensus".
Links
How was it decided what links to include in this template? Is there any reason to it?
Flowerparty☀ 01:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes. The general rule was to include individuals and organisations mentioned in the article
UK underground as relevant participants, or where such involvement is indicated in the subject's article. Is there something which you think should or shouldn't be in the template? Ty 02:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I just don't see why we need a navbox for this. It's not like these people and groups actually signed up to be part of the UK underground, right? They're just kind of lumped together. The box does does provide an admirable summary of the topic, I'll grant, but surely that's what the article's supposed to do.
Flowerparty☀ 03:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
The article is meant to provide a comprehensive examination of the subject. A navbox then enables readers to easily access different aspects of this to read about them in more depth than the article can provide. Anyone wanting to do this will find the navbox extremely helpful. The article defines certain bands, publications and individuals as part of the UK underground, as they were recognised as taking a part in it. The navbox reflects this. If you find it problematic, then this should be addressed in the article content. Ty 12:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)reply
"Liverpool developed into a notable centre in the underground literary scene with its own distinctive 'Mersey sound'" -
The Mersey Sound[13]
"
Floyd were the official group of the underground. The bible of the underground was the
International Times, the meeting point of the underground became the
UFO club"
[14]
Yes, the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene, but this only doesn't make a template valid. This is the equivalent to making a template called "Hollywood Scene" and including Lindsay Lohan and Jennifer Aniston. A list like this can never be absolute and conclusive. Your sources are subjective, opinions from people in newspapers, etc. The word "underground" itself is up to interpretation and it's used regularly not always meaning the same thing, even in the quotes you just included. Way too vague for Wikipedia I think! --
Agusk7 (
talk) 20:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
It doesn't have to be absolute and conclusive, only helpful for those wishing to access relevant articles, namely ones where, as you say, "the people and bands mentioned in the template were part of the UK underground scene". It's not up to us to second-guess sources, just to use them, as stated in
WP:NPOV. Ty 20:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply