Alright, I don't think there's any more use for the Major/Minor characters links. I've made a template to go along with the Soul Series template, character-wise. Sharpevil 21:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC) ^^ Did anyone know that Wang is Michelles grandfather and is a distant relative of Ling, so Ling, Michelle, Julia and Wang are all related to eachother. Paul Phoenix,Marshall Law,Forest Law,Kuma are related to eachother. And Lei Wulong is also a commedian character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.84.115 ( talk) 02:24, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I feel the current format and the selection of characters in the "Sub-Boss" section is a bit awkward. Many of those characters haven't been merely sub-bosses since as far back as Tekken 1. In addition, more recent sub-bosses, such as Orge and Devil Jin, are in the Boss section. Personally, I don't think the Sub-Boss section holds any purpose and the characters listed should be integrated back into the regular cast. King Zeal 16:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps we could just divide the group into an active roster and inactive roster based on the last game that has been released? Thequickbrownfoxjumpsoveralazydog 15:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't it part of the template? - The 4th Snake 19:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I did the same. That's why I asked.- The 4th Snake 19:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Appearantly, the culprit is a Wikipedia user known as A Man In Black. I'll put Tekken 6 back on the template. Michael Mad 13:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't have a release date, it hasn't been shown in playable form, and Tekken 6 may not even be the final name. The article is nothing but summarizing three trailers. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 18:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
What's your point? It's a Tekken game so it should be in the template. If the game gets renamed, it can be changed. For now, Tekken 6 should be kept in. - The 4th Snake 19:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Namco has recently made a site for Tekken 6, so it will probably be the final name of the game: http://www.tekken-official.jp/tk6ac/ - Aphasia83 19:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Plus, they made a logo for it. The logo looks nothing like any others so it isn't a simple edit. Why go to the bother of making a logo if you're going to change the name? - The 4th Snake 20:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, it's going back on the template. Michael Mad 08:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, for the other templates with upcoming games.
As for the discussion that led to the current standard, it's in the WT:CVG archives. The discussion at Template talk:CVG Navigation is much more recent and mirrors this one, in that it hasn't much moved past the "It should be included, period!" stage. Excluding upcoming games that had never been shown in playable form was a pre-existing, project-wide consensus. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 07:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Tekken 6 should be on the template. As long as it has its own page, which has become quite developed over time, I see no reason why it should not be on the template. Also, according to IGN, Tekken 6 may well be in a playable form sooner than first thought. Michael Mad 09:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I made a poor arguement on my last post, but Tekken 6 should still be on the template. I along with others believe that this game should be on the template. You were, or still are I believe, in a similar edit war concerning the Resident Evil template. I'm not going to revert your edit. Instead, I'm just going to wait and watch for any additions to the template concerning Tekken 6 by other users, and then watch as you delete those additions and then see those changes reverted and so on and so forth untill someone is blocked from editing. Either that or we finally have a vote on the subject at hand, as suggested earlier by another user. Michael Mad 22:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
You're all going about this the wrong way. The point of a template is convenience. This way you don't have to search for links or simply guess that an article exists, putting in what they think might possibly be a name for a page. Put quite simply, Tekken fans who don't go in depth editing the Tekken area of the wiki, like I am, or was two days ago, would prefer the convenience. For example, I didn't even KNOW there was such a thing as Tekken Card Challenge, and if I hadn't had the idea to go around seeing what needs to be edited, I'd not know of it right now. I'm now going to go add this to the template as an act of kindness to average Tekken fans like myself who may not know of its existence. It's a small template. A few things isn't going to kill it. There are so many people here that if it needs to be changed, it will be changed within a day. Welcome to the wikipedia, the place were everyone goes to learn about something they're interested in. We need to do this whatever way more people want. This means a vote. The vote will be removed in one month, at which point we should leave it to be semi-permanent until:
A. A new name is announced for Tekken 6
B. A release date is announced, and the current name is confirmed
C. The game itself is released.
At which point there should be no reason for any argument. Anything amounting to "My argument is good enough to override what people want" is discouraged, but I have no power to stop you. Please be warned that your comment will likely be taken as trolling unless you bring new official information to the table, rather than more argument. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to play god. (or in this case, mod) If more people want it than not, however, we'll know, and there will be no excuse for any vandalism. I'm full aware that wikipedia is not a democracy, but if you are one stubborn person against many others, it is comparable to continuously deleting an article on the holocaust because you do not believe it exists. This makes you a troll, and in most people's eyes, a vandal. If this continues if a clear vote to accept the game is established, we will hopefully be able to keep you from editing the template. We can't continues in the way we are generally supposed to because while no verdict is being reached, one person is getting his way. This is Tekken, not a holy war. If people appreciate additions, it won't kill you to let them have them. It's a matter of convenience. Sharpevil 21:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
This is not how things are decided on Wikipedia. Sterile votes are frowned upon. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. This poll is only serving to prove that you are vastly outnumbered, as well as a troll/vandal. I went a bit god mode-y yesterday, so I think this is fair. The wiki rule of no sterile votes was likely created to discourage decisions made based on close votes, not unanonymity. Unanymonymity... That should be a word. Sharpevil 19:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I apologize. I have some trouble getting my thoughts out, and was actually editing that out of my entry before you came and posted. I did not mean it as name calling, but simple definitions of your behaviors. You are trolling people, such as you are trolling me right now, and you are vandalizing the article by going against an otherwise total consensus. Sharpevil 19:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
If you are insinuating that I am not motivated by the will to improve the template, you're wrong. I don't think that's what you're saying, but I figured I'd throw this out there. Regardless, I entered the talk page because I wanted to know why Tekken 6 is not on there. You've given a lot of technical reasons, but I think that overall, it seems too late for you to go back on your decision with your pride intact. I know that I would not go as far as you have only to give up, but that does not make it right. To take the discussion's harshness down a notch, I'll start with this. What is the Tekken template for? Please don't sidestep my question. I'm not accusing you, but I've had many fruitless arguments with people who do that.
Sharpevil
19:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Sharpevil touched on a point that has been raised a few times, and never really expanded upon. There's an argument that it frustrates expectations to not find an upcoming game on a navbox, and I've found it troubling because I can't really refute it. It's also troubling because it leaves a question unanswered: "At what point are people going to expect to see an announced-but-in-development game in the navbox?" It would have been ridiculous to add Tekken 6 to this navbox as soon as the next-gen concept footage was shown at E3 2005, for example. What quality has this project gained, in the meantime, that generated the expectation to see it in a navbox? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 19:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Hype isn't a quantifiable reason, more to the point. Anyway.
How do you define "an actual demonstration of gameplay," though? Have any of the Tekken trailers shown any of the menus, or the damage bars and such? Or are they just "action footage"? How can you draw the line between "action footage" and demonstrations of what they hope the game to look like?
Expanding this beyond Tekken a bit, consider Metal Gear Solid 4's largely cinematic trailers, whose implications in gameplay aren't exactly clear. Is that "an actual demonstration of gameplay"?
The old standard was that someone had played the game and reported on it, which you can judge objectively. (Either they played a build of the game or didn't.) Ideally, we'd have a new standard that was equally as objective. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 20:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well and good as this argument is, you are completely avoiding the point. Nobody wants Tekken 6 in the navbar because it "Showcases gameplay objectively". They want Tekken 6 in the navbar for the same reason they want Tekken 2, or Tekken 5: DR. So all wikisurfers can have easy access to the pages for corresponding Tekken games. People want information on Tekken 4, so they go to the Tekken 4 article. It only makes sense that people would be hungrier for information on a Tekken they haven't played, like 6. The Navbar provides easy linkage to information on all Tekken games, and I'm glad it's there. There is absolutely no bad side to having Tekken 6 in it. It doesn't even make the navbar any bigger!
Please, keep in mind that there are more people browsing these articles than those who edit them. There are Tekken fans who don't know anything about Tekken 6 at all yet. Sharpevil 20:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that's it. Tekken 6 being in the navbar does not and should not hang on whether or not this is gameplay footage. That's unrelated, and should remain so. The reason that Tekken 6 wasn't in the navbox after E3 2005 was either that the wiki article was a stub or people were too lazy to add it. The very fact that any information on Tekken 6 has been released is enough to put it in the navbox. It doesn't hurt you for Tekken 6 to be in the navbox, so the question should be "Would it help anyone to put this in the navbox?" And the answer is yes. I don't understand why you keep dancing around this. Sharpevil 23:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I seriously don't understand the point of this whole conversation. Sharpevil 19:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Continuing from Zeal's response...
So, what information was key? The name? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 08:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
How is Tekken 5:DR or Tekken 6:BR a spin-off to Tekken? They're part of the main series. SuperSonicTH ( talk) 12:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Tekken Arena, a mobile card version of Tekken is not appearing. https://tekken.fandom.com/wiki/Tekken_Arena#:~:text=Tekken%20Arena%20is%20a%20free,Android%20on%20October%2029%2C%202013. D0kkaebi ( talk) 02:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawren00 ( talk • contribs)
Alright, I don't think there's any more use for the Major/Minor characters links. I've made a template to go along with the Soul Series template, character-wise. Sharpevil 21:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC) ^^ Did anyone know that Wang is Michelles grandfather and is a distant relative of Ling, so Ling, Michelle, Julia and Wang are all related to eachother. Paul Phoenix,Marshall Law,Forest Law,Kuma are related to eachother. And Lei Wulong is also a commedian character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.84.115 ( talk) 02:24, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I feel the current format and the selection of characters in the "Sub-Boss" section is a bit awkward. Many of those characters haven't been merely sub-bosses since as far back as Tekken 1. In addition, more recent sub-bosses, such as Orge and Devil Jin, are in the Boss section. Personally, I don't think the Sub-Boss section holds any purpose and the characters listed should be integrated back into the regular cast. King Zeal 16:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps we could just divide the group into an active roster and inactive roster based on the last game that has been released? Thequickbrownfoxjumpsoveralazydog 15:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't it part of the template? - The 4th Snake 19:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I did the same. That's why I asked.- The 4th Snake 19:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Appearantly, the culprit is a Wikipedia user known as A Man In Black. I'll put Tekken 6 back on the template. Michael Mad 13:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't have a release date, it hasn't been shown in playable form, and Tekken 6 may not even be the final name. The article is nothing but summarizing three trailers. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 18:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
What's your point? It's a Tekken game so it should be in the template. If the game gets renamed, it can be changed. For now, Tekken 6 should be kept in. - The 4th Snake 19:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Namco has recently made a site for Tekken 6, so it will probably be the final name of the game: http://www.tekken-official.jp/tk6ac/ - Aphasia83 19:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Plus, they made a logo for it. The logo looks nothing like any others so it isn't a simple edit. Why go to the bother of making a logo if you're going to change the name? - The 4th Snake 20:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, it's going back on the template. Michael Mad 08:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, for the other templates with upcoming games.
As for the discussion that led to the current standard, it's in the WT:CVG archives. The discussion at Template talk:CVG Navigation is much more recent and mirrors this one, in that it hasn't much moved past the "It should be included, period!" stage. Excluding upcoming games that had never been shown in playable form was a pre-existing, project-wide consensus. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 07:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Tekken 6 should be on the template. As long as it has its own page, which has become quite developed over time, I see no reason why it should not be on the template. Also, according to IGN, Tekken 6 may well be in a playable form sooner than first thought. Michael Mad 09:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I made a poor arguement on my last post, but Tekken 6 should still be on the template. I along with others believe that this game should be on the template. You were, or still are I believe, in a similar edit war concerning the Resident Evil template. I'm not going to revert your edit. Instead, I'm just going to wait and watch for any additions to the template concerning Tekken 6 by other users, and then watch as you delete those additions and then see those changes reverted and so on and so forth untill someone is blocked from editing. Either that or we finally have a vote on the subject at hand, as suggested earlier by another user. Michael Mad 22:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
You're all going about this the wrong way. The point of a template is convenience. This way you don't have to search for links or simply guess that an article exists, putting in what they think might possibly be a name for a page. Put quite simply, Tekken fans who don't go in depth editing the Tekken area of the wiki, like I am, or was two days ago, would prefer the convenience. For example, I didn't even KNOW there was such a thing as Tekken Card Challenge, and if I hadn't had the idea to go around seeing what needs to be edited, I'd not know of it right now. I'm now going to go add this to the template as an act of kindness to average Tekken fans like myself who may not know of its existence. It's a small template. A few things isn't going to kill it. There are so many people here that if it needs to be changed, it will be changed within a day. Welcome to the wikipedia, the place were everyone goes to learn about something they're interested in. We need to do this whatever way more people want. This means a vote. The vote will be removed in one month, at which point we should leave it to be semi-permanent until:
A. A new name is announced for Tekken 6
B. A release date is announced, and the current name is confirmed
C. The game itself is released.
At which point there should be no reason for any argument. Anything amounting to "My argument is good enough to override what people want" is discouraged, but I have no power to stop you. Please be warned that your comment will likely be taken as trolling unless you bring new official information to the table, rather than more argument. Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to play god. (or in this case, mod) If more people want it than not, however, we'll know, and there will be no excuse for any vandalism. I'm full aware that wikipedia is not a democracy, but if you are one stubborn person against many others, it is comparable to continuously deleting an article on the holocaust because you do not believe it exists. This makes you a troll, and in most people's eyes, a vandal. If this continues if a clear vote to accept the game is established, we will hopefully be able to keep you from editing the template. We can't continues in the way we are generally supposed to because while no verdict is being reached, one person is getting his way. This is Tekken, not a holy war. If people appreciate additions, it won't kill you to let them have them. It's a matter of convenience. Sharpevil 21:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
This is not how things are decided on Wikipedia. Sterile votes are frowned upon. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. This poll is only serving to prove that you are vastly outnumbered, as well as a troll/vandal. I went a bit god mode-y yesterday, so I think this is fair. The wiki rule of no sterile votes was likely created to discourage decisions made based on close votes, not unanonymity. Unanymonymity... That should be a word. Sharpevil 19:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I apologize. I have some trouble getting my thoughts out, and was actually editing that out of my entry before you came and posted. I did not mean it as name calling, but simple definitions of your behaviors. You are trolling people, such as you are trolling me right now, and you are vandalizing the article by going against an otherwise total consensus. Sharpevil 19:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
If you are insinuating that I am not motivated by the will to improve the template, you're wrong. I don't think that's what you're saying, but I figured I'd throw this out there. Regardless, I entered the talk page because I wanted to know why Tekken 6 is not on there. You've given a lot of technical reasons, but I think that overall, it seems too late for you to go back on your decision with your pride intact. I know that I would not go as far as you have only to give up, but that does not make it right. To take the discussion's harshness down a notch, I'll start with this. What is the Tekken template for? Please don't sidestep my question. I'm not accusing you, but I've had many fruitless arguments with people who do that.
Sharpevil
19:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Sharpevil touched on a point that has been raised a few times, and never really expanded upon. There's an argument that it frustrates expectations to not find an upcoming game on a navbox, and I've found it troubling because I can't really refute it. It's also troubling because it leaves a question unanswered: "At what point are people going to expect to see an announced-but-in-development game in the navbox?" It would have been ridiculous to add Tekken 6 to this navbox as soon as the next-gen concept footage was shown at E3 2005, for example. What quality has this project gained, in the meantime, that generated the expectation to see it in a navbox? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 19:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Hype isn't a quantifiable reason, more to the point. Anyway.
How do you define "an actual demonstration of gameplay," though? Have any of the Tekken trailers shown any of the menus, or the damage bars and such? Or are they just "action footage"? How can you draw the line between "action footage" and demonstrations of what they hope the game to look like?
Expanding this beyond Tekken a bit, consider Metal Gear Solid 4's largely cinematic trailers, whose implications in gameplay aren't exactly clear. Is that "an actual demonstration of gameplay"?
The old standard was that someone had played the game and reported on it, which you can judge objectively. (Either they played a build of the game or didn't.) Ideally, we'd have a new standard that was equally as objective. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 20:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well and good as this argument is, you are completely avoiding the point. Nobody wants Tekken 6 in the navbar because it "Showcases gameplay objectively". They want Tekken 6 in the navbar for the same reason they want Tekken 2, or Tekken 5: DR. So all wikisurfers can have easy access to the pages for corresponding Tekken games. People want information on Tekken 4, so they go to the Tekken 4 article. It only makes sense that people would be hungrier for information on a Tekken they haven't played, like 6. The Navbar provides easy linkage to information on all Tekken games, and I'm glad it's there. There is absolutely no bad side to having Tekken 6 in it. It doesn't even make the navbar any bigger!
Please, keep in mind that there are more people browsing these articles than those who edit them. There are Tekken fans who don't know anything about Tekken 6 at all yet. Sharpevil 20:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that's it. Tekken 6 being in the navbar does not and should not hang on whether or not this is gameplay footage. That's unrelated, and should remain so. The reason that Tekken 6 wasn't in the navbox after E3 2005 was either that the wiki article was a stub or people were too lazy to add it. The very fact that any information on Tekken 6 has been released is enough to put it in the navbox. It doesn't hurt you for Tekken 6 to be in the navbox, so the question should be "Would it help anyone to put this in the navbox?" And the answer is yes. I don't understand why you keep dancing around this. Sharpevil 23:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I seriously don't understand the point of this whole conversation. Sharpevil 19:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Continuing from Zeal's response...
So, what information was key? The name? - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 08:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
How is Tekken 5:DR or Tekken 6:BR a spin-off to Tekken? They're part of the main series. SuperSonicTH ( talk) 12:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Tekken Arena, a mobile card version of Tekken is not appearing. https://tekken.fandom.com/wiki/Tekken_Arena#:~:text=Tekken%20Arena%20is%20a%20free,Android%20on%20October%2029%2C%202013. D0kkaebi ( talk) 02:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawren00 ( talk • contribs)