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This template parents to Avialae/skip for two reasons. First, without it the chain of taxonomy templates from a typical bird species all the way up to Life is too long. The second is to avoid showing certain unwanted primary ranks on bird articles. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 07:02, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
How about dinosaurs? Archosaurs? Sauropsids? Bird taxonomy is weird and we should help people figure it out. Leadwind ( talk) 05:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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Birds are more of a clade than a class, i just want to make sauropsida monophyletic. Dinnodal ( talk) 00:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
User:ELP-PhD is attempting to have this taxon be a clade instead of a class. No coherent rationale is provided other than that Aves is not a valid taxonomic class, which doesn't really make sense to me, since journal articles about birds still refer to it as a class, but what do I know. There is further commentary about birds being a clade within Reptilia, which seems totally orthogonal to whether we call that clade a "Class" or not.
I don't really have a strong opinion here, although the change being made is a problem as it takes "Aves" out of bird taxoboxes, which I assume is not intended. So we will likely not be making this exact change, as a practical matter.
Please discuss what we want Bird's taxobox and species taxoboxes, e.g. Bald eagle's, to look like. Should they contain Aves? Should it be class or clade or what?
Once we decide we can then figure out the technical details. Thank you, ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 20:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I would change it to:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum Vertebrata
Clade: Amniota
Class: Reptilia
Clade: Diapsida
Clade: Dinosauria
Clade: Aves
Order: Accipitriformes
Family: Accipitridae
Genus: Haliaeetus
species: H. leucocephalus
ELP-PhD ( talk) 00:50, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Aves (i.e., Birds) have not been considered a valid taxonomic Class for decades. While the appropriate taxonomic rank of Aves is still open to some dispute, it is almost certainly well below that of Class. Aves is a clade (of whatever rank) within the Class Reptilia. Many folks may not like the idea of birds being reptiles, but that is what they are --- very highly derived reptiles. ELP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELP-PhD ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
This template has been edited to remove the "Class: Reptilia" from all bird infoboxes. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life#Reptiliae or Aves? to help resolve the confusing issues. Paine u/ c 21:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
What's happened to the clade Sauropsida? Paine Ellsworth u/ c 16:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached that the Ornithurae skip template is clearly an incorrect use of a taxobox and serves no meaningful purpose. More context on the WP:TOL talk page. However, as you can see this makes the taxobox on the bird page glitch out, which could be fixed by changing this template to use the unskipped template as a parent. However this template is protected so I cannot make the change. Can someone unprotect it and do so? Olmagon ( talk) 15:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Use the unskipped ornithurae ( Template:Taxonomy/Ornithurae) template as a parent.
Consensus has been reached that the Ornithurae skip template ( Template:Taxonomy/Ornithurae/skip) is clearly an incorrect use of a taxobox and serves no meaningful purpose. More context on the WP:TOL talk page. Once this is done, the skip template can be deleted without influencing other taxoboxes such as this one. Olmagon ( talk) 17:28, 28 September 2023
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according to UCMP Berkeley [1] birds are classified under the Saurischia [2] clade. "Birds are apparently descended from saurischian dinosaurs, but have a reversed pubis like ornithischians do. Some close relatives of birds within saurischians have this same feature, too, so the ornithischian-saurischian dichotomy is not so simple". <<edit>> also the scientific classification box is contradicted by the Saurischia wiki article "Birds, as a group of maniraptoran theropod dinosaurs, are a sub-clade of saurischian dinosaurs in phylogenetic classification.[6]" Ceaseless Thoughts ( talk) 05:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Taxonomy/Aves is permanently
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This template parents to Avialae/skip for two reasons. First, without it the chain of taxonomy templates from a typical bird species all the way up to Life is too long. The second is to avoid showing certain unwanted primary ranks on bird articles. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 07:02, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
How about dinosaurs? Archosaurs? Sauropsids? Bird taxonomy is weird and we should help people figure it out. Leadwind ( talk) 05:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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Birds are more of a clade than a class, i just want to make sauropsida monophyletic. Dinnodal ( talk) 00:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
User:ELP-PhD is attempting to have this taxon be a clade instead of a class. No coherent rationale is provided other than that Aves is not a valid taxonomic class, which doesn't really make sense to me, since journal articles about birds still refer to it as a class, but what do I know. There is further commentary about birds being a clade within Reptilia, which seems totally orthogonal to whether we call that clade a "Class" or not.
I don't really have a strong opinion here, although the change being made is a problem as it takes "Aves" out of bird taxoboxes, which I assume is not intended. So we will likely not be making this exact change, as a practical matter.
Please discuss what we want Bird's taxobox and species taxoboxes, e.g. Bald eagle's, to look like. Should they contain Aves? Should it be class or clade or what?
Once we decide we can then figure out the technical details. Thank you, ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 20:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I would change it to:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum Vertebrata
Clade: Amniota
Class: Reptilia
Clade: Diapsida
Clade: Dinosauria
Clade: Aves
Order: Accipitriformes
Family: Accipitridae
Genus: Haliaeetus
species: H. leucocephalus
ELP-PhD ( talk) 00:50, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Aves (i.e., Birds) have not been considered a valid taxonomic Class for decades. While the appropriate taxonomic rank of Aves is still open to some dispute, it is almost certainly well below that of Class. Aves is a clade (of whatever rank) within the Class Reptilia. Many folks may not like the idea of birds being reptiles, but that is what they are --- very highly derived reptiles. ELP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELP-PhD ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
This template has been edited to remove the "Class: Reptilia" from all bird infoboxes. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life#Reptiliae or Aves? to help resolve the confusing issues. Paine u/ c 21:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
What's happened to the clade Sauropsida? Paine Ellsworth u/ c 16:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached that the Ornithurae skip template is clearly an incorrect use of a taxobox and serves no meaningful purpose. More context on the WP:TOL talk page. However, as you can see this makes the taxobox on the bird page glitch out, which could be fixed by changing this template to use the unskipped template as a parent. However this template is protected so I cannot make the change. Can someone unprotect it and do so? Olmagon ( talk) 15:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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Use the unskipped ornithurae ( Template:Taxonomy/Ornithurae) template as a parent.
Consensus has been reached that the Ornithurae skip template ( Template:Taxonomy/Ornithurae/skip) is clearly an incorrect use of a taxobox and serves no meaningful purpose. More context on the WP:TOL talk page. Once this is done, the skip template can be deleted without influencing other taxoboxes such as this one. Olmagon ( talk) 17:28, 28 September 2023
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according to UCMP Berkeley [1] birds are classified under the Saurischia [2] clade. "Birds are apparently descended from saurischian dinosaurs, but have a reversed pubis like ornithischians do. Some close relatives of birds within saurischians have this same feature, too, so the ornithischian-saurischian dichotomy is not so simple". <<edit>> also the scientific classification box is contradicted by the Saurischia wiki article "Birds, as a group of maniraptoran theropod dinosaurs, are a sub-clade of saurischian dinosaurs in phylogenetic classification.[6]" Ceaseless Thoughts ( talk) 05:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)