@ Nikkimaria: Hi there. Just wanted to see if you think it would make sense to add a link too WP:VS somewhere in this template? I was going to suggesting adding a link to the program from the Women in Red resources section, but saw that the most appropriate place might be within this template (maybe via the top or bottom bar?). -- Ryan (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 17:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
@
Samwalton9 (WMF): I would suggest using <span class="plainlinks"> </span>
for partners linked to external links, just to make it look better.
KCVelaga (
talk) 11:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any good reason to keeping this nav template in its current state, does there? My first thought was to just redirect it via a soft redirect to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org, but maybe that's not such a good idea this being a template; that might render the soft 404 right onto the pages that transclude it. We could just delete it, but that would leave red links on pages that use it. Or, maybe we could redirect it to some other nav template, if there's a good choice for that. Finally, we could simply expand this template by adding good content to it.
If I've done these searches correctly, there are zero transclusions, and 94 links to it. So, maybe that argues for a soft redirect. Really not sure what to do, here. @ Samwalton9 (WMF), Nikkimaria, and Ryan (Wiki Ed): Mathglot ( talk) 23:30, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Samwalton9 (WMF) and Nikkimaria: What if we reimagine this template as a direct access nav box for the individual resources? I often want to go directly to a particular resource to do a search, which often will surface the result I am looking for when a general TWL search will not. [a] The main page (the my library page) is way too long for this purpose; it's what I do now, but it involves a lot of scrolling, and is very inconvenient. I propose that we go back to rev. 901818694 of 13:33, 14 June 2019, strip the '(available)' notifications, and just leave the direct access links. That would be highly useful, and I would place it on my user page.
I've been playing around with this in the sandbox, and here's my current version, adding some links below, breaking out the non-English links with sublabels, and converting most of the links in the 'General' section at the top from the old, 'request access' page, to a live, direct search for a configurable value (param |kw=
) via the partner. The active links in the 'General' section search the partner database for '
Monique Wittig':
And then I played around some more, adding some optional parameters to generate "favorite searches" under the title bar that a user might want to have readily available, to search TWL while working 'on their different projects. With these new parameters, you can add up to ten TWL search links to the nav box 'above' bar. The links may also be piped to shorten them if desired. Here's a test of the sandbox using these new parameters; this example is envisioned as what an active WP:MED editor working on numerous medical projects might have on their user or talk page, with ten TWL search links they have defined:
I added my fave TWL tester topic ( PML) as the first optional "fave TWL search", and got the ideas for some of the other ones by looking at some of the contributions of @ SandyGeorgia, Shibbolethink, and Ozzie10aaaa: (who often have great ideas at WT:MED and elsewhere) for the other ones. Note that the "pipe" links need only have meaning to the user using them; for example: " Porphyria cutanea tarda" is not necessarily the first thing that comes to mind for the abbreviated pipe 'Pct'; but for an individual user working on that topic and placing the nav box on their page, that's enough of a prompt even if it wouldn't make sense to a visitor. Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 04:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC) updated by Mathglot ( talk) 10:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
|kw=delusional parasitosis
to the template, then the JSTOR link in the template will execute the query and take you directly to the JSTOR query results, right out of the template.){{TWLJ/sandbox|kw=Simone de Beauvoir}}
somewhere in your sandbox or Talk page (or use
Special:ExpandTemplates), then clicking any of the active links in the "General" section should take you straight to the partner query results. I'll skip down to the "Medical" section and convert those links next. Thanks for this question; having to write out the response made me think about it in a way that I will hope will clarify it for everyone. Hope this helps, but come back after the fog lifts if not!
Mathglot (
talk) 20:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I guess this is a confusing topic, so I just wanted to briefly add this point: converting the sandbox copy of the old template to do what I propose takes some time, and current state of the sandbox template, at least in rev. 1100811305 today, is neither fish nor fowl; that is, it's partly the old template with useless links, and partly the new one. Currently, the links in the top section, with the label "General" to the left, are "new style" links, and if you click them, they will go directly to a TWL partner search page, as per the proposal. All the rest of the nav links on the page (with a few scattered exceptions) are "old style" links—that is, they are leftovers from the deprecated template that link to pages of no interest to anybody. I am going through the sandbox, gradually upgrading the old links. The template works partly now, and you could even use it now if you like in your sandbox or Talk page, in a sort of "Beta testing" version, with the understanding that only a minority of the links are working as designed. One way of distinguishing the links visually, is that in desktop view, the "new" links will have a dotted underline and a tooltip that pops up if you hover over it. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 23:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
In order to complete development on this nav box (or whatever format it ends up in), I have to reverse-engineer the search queries generated by the partners, after I click my "Access collection" button. But, for those partners for whom I don't have access, I have a "Go to site" button instead, and I can't do the reverse-engineering operation, and will need some help. User:Nikkimaria, I assume that you have access to all the partners, so that you have access to their collection via the 'Access collection' link. If I tell you which ones I'm missing, can you help me get the search urls I am missing? Mathglot ( talk) 10:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria: Hi there. Just wanted to see if you think it would make sense to add a link too WP:VS somewhere in this template? I was going to suggesting adding a link to the program from the Women in Red resources section, but saw that the most appropriate place might be within this template (maybe via the top or bottom bar?). -- Ryan (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 17:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
@
Samwalton9 (WMF): I would suggest using <span class="plainlinks"> </span>
for partners linked to external links, just to make it look better.
KCVelaga (
talk) 11:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any good reason to keeping this nav template in its current state, does there? My first thought was to just redirect it via a soft redirect to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org, but maybe that's not such a good idea this being a template; that might render the soft 404 right onto the pages that transclude it. We could just delete it, but that would leave red links on pages that use it. Or, maybe we could redirect it to some other nav template, if there's a good choice for that. Finally, we could simply expand this template by adding good content to it.
If I've done these searches correctly, there are zero transclusions, and 94 links to it. So, maybe that argues for a soft redirect. Really not sure what to do, here. @ Samwalton9 (WMF), Nikkimaria, and Ryan (Wiki Ed): Mathglot ( talk) 23:30, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Samwalton9 (WMF) and Nikkimaria: What if we reimagine this template as a direct access nav box for the individual resources? I often want to go directly to a particular resource to do a search, which often will surface the result I am looking for when a general TWL search will not. [a] The main page (the my library page) is way too long for this purpose; it's what I do now, but it involves a lot of scrolling, and is very inconvenient. I propose that we go back to rev. 901818694 of 13:33, 14 June 2019, strip the '(available)' notifications, and just leave the direct access links. That would be highly useful, and I would place it on my user page.
I've been playing around with this in the sandbox, and here's my current version, adding some links below, breaking out the non-English links with sublabels, and converting most of the links in the 'General' section at the top from the old, 'request access' page, to a live, direct search for a configurable value (param |kw=
) via the partner. The active links in the 'General' section search the partner database for '
Monique Wittig':
And then I played around some more, adding some optional parameters to generate "favorite searches" under the title bar that a user might want to have readily available, to search TWL while working 'on their different projects. With these new parameters, you can add up to ten TWL search links to the nav box 'above' bar. The links may also be piped to shorten them if desired. Here's a test of the sandbox using these new parameters; this example is envisioned as what an active WP:MED editor working on numerous medical projects might have on their user or talk page, with ten TWL search links they have defined:
I added my fave TWL tester topic ( PML) as the first optional "fave TWL search", and got the ideas for some of the other ones by looking at some of the contributions of @ SandyGeorgia, Shibbolethink, and Ozzie10aaaa: (who often have great ideas at WT:MED and elsewhere) for the other ones. Note that the "pipe" links need only have meaning to the user using them; for example: " Porphyria cutanea tarda" is not necessarily the first thing that comes to mind for the abbreviated pipe 'Pct'; but for an individual user working on that topic and placing the nav box on their page, that's enough of a prompt even if it wouldn't make sense to a visitor. Thoughts? Mathglot ( talk) 04:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC) updated by Mathglot ( talk) 10:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
|kw=delusional parasitosis
to the template, then the JSTOR link in the template will execute the query and take you directly to the JSTOR query results, right out of the template.){{TWLJ/sandbox|kw=Simone de Beauvoir}}
somewhere in your sandbox or Talk page (or use
Special:ExpandTemplates), then clicking any of the active links in the "General" section should take you straight to the partner query results. I'll skip down to the "Medical" section and convert those links next. Thanks for this question; having to write out the response made me think about it in a way that I will hope will clarify it for everyone. Hope this helps, but come back after the fog lifts if not!
Mathglot (
talk) 20:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I guess this is a confusing topic, so I just wanted to briefly add this point: converting the sandbox copy of the old template to do what I propose takes some time, and current state of the sandbox template, at least in rev. 1100811305 today, is neither fish nor fowl; that is, it's partly the old template with useless links, and partly the new one. Currently, the links in the top section, with the label "General" to the left, are "new style" links, and if you click them, they will go directly to a TWL partner search page, as per the proposal. All the rest of the nav links on the page (with a few scattered exceptions) are "old style" links—that is, they are leftovers from the deprecated template that link to pages of no interest to anybody. I am going through the sandbox, gradually upgrading the old links. The template works partly now, and you could even use it now if you like in your sandbox or Talk page, in a sort of "Beta testing" version, with the understanding that only a minority of the links are working as designed. One way of distinguishing the links visually, is that in desktop view, the "new" links will have a dotted underline and a tooltip that pops up if you hover over it. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 23:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
In order to complete development on this nav box (or whatever format it ends up in), I have to reverse-engineer the search queries generated by the partners, after I click my "Access collection" button. But, for those partners for whom I don't have access, I have a "Go to site" button instead, and I can't do the reverse-engineering operation, and will need some help. User:Nikkimaria, I assume that you have access to all the partners, so that you have access to their collection via the 'Access collection' link. If I tell you which ones I'm missing, can you help me get the search urls I am missing? Mathglot ( talk) 10:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)