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This should be done with modification to CSS, not through a template. Have listed on VfD and removed the stuff that shifts the TOC to the right. - Ta bu shi da yu 4 July 2005 05:59 (UTC)
On my talk page Ta bu shi da yu wrote: I'll concede the point entirely if a style guideline is created that makes people use that under the lead section. However, there is now a problem of the heading underline cutting the TOC, making it look unprofessional. If these things can be sorted I will drop all my objections to the template, and apologise for losing perspective on the whole issue. This sounds sensible to me, except that in the case of a very long lead section, TOCright might be better at the start of the article. DES 5 July 2005 04:20 (UTC)
MOS guidelines for the use of this template in particular, and of floating TOCs in general, are now being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Template:TOCright_2. I urge anyone interested in this subject to read and comment there. Settling this with an MOS guideline is IMO the best way to proceed. DES 8 July 2005 16:11 (UTC)
This template was nominated for deletion. It sparked a lengthy debate with a number of suggestions and proposals, but no consensus to delete it. So it is kept, but it may be worthwhile to reword and/or reformat it. See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/TOCright or Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/July 2005 for details. R adiant _>|< 13:01, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
This template is acceptable for non-standard pages like lists and dab pages. However, it should never be used in regular articles. If people want a prettier layout, they should edit their monobook.css pages, not hard-code a different layout in the articles. Zocky | picture popups 10:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Template:TOC right/Archive 1(
talk
links
history) (as is) has no effect with browsers not
supporting CSS for various reasons. Please add
align="right"
at the end of the
included section before <noinclude>
to make it work also for older visual browsers.
In
WP:SIZE I've replaced it by the simple workaround:
{| align="right" | __TOC__ |}
It's beyond me why anybody needs a template to
screw with the consistent look and feel of most
pages, but at least it should work. For most
modern browsers any CSS should overrule the
align="right"
effect where necessary.
-- Omniplex 11:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
To an administrator colleague: Kindly add [[cs:Šablona:RIGHTTOC]] to the template page (noinclude section, of course:-). Thanks. – wiki-vr 21:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
There is template:TOC float right. -- Sheynhertz געשׁ״ך 10:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It would be good if an admin could modify the template page to add some (noinclude) stuff like at template:TOC float right, so you could actually see the effect (and not just on the talk page). Stevage 12:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:
[[vi:Tiêu bản:Mục lục bên phải]]
Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 00:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we have some usage instructions on the template page (using <noinclude></noinclude>), and perhaps a link to a MoS guideline? I know there's been a controversy - I like the template, but I don't want to use it in ways that cause unnecessary conflicts. -- Singkong2005 talk 00:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi folks. User:TonyTheTiger recently requested help putting his {{ TOCright}} to the left of his userboxes on his user page. I helped him out by copying the source of the template and removing the "clear: right", but I think this would be better handled in the template. I propose changing the wikitext to the following (leaving out the <noinclude> portion):
{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="clear: {{{clear|right}}}; margin-bottom: .5em; float: right; padding: .5em 0 .8em 1.4em; background: none; width: {{{width|{{{1|auto}}}}}};" | __TOC__ |}
It adds a "clear" parameter, defaulted to "right" that allows users to override the CSS clear property (e.g. with "none" in the case that you don't want clearing). It also allows the use of "width=..." in lieu of using the first unnamed parameter for the width. Mike Dillon 05:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
This template is incredibly overused. Only rarely does the TOC really get in the way of other content. Usually it just disrupts the standard appearance of articles with something which is overly cluttered at the beginning. Is there any way we could make some examples of where this template should be used and clearly deliniate those situations? Disambiguation and talk pages are the only example that really comes to mind for me. Articles with excessively long TOCs sometimes look better with the TOC on the right but often a better solution is to reduce the size of the TOC (perhaps by creating proper daughter articles). Almost the only articles which are justified in having such a long TOC (and thus floating it) are those that have a long list of countries. Also articles where the intro is too long ( American Civil War). savidan (talk) (e@) 01:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[[mk:Шаблон:TOCright]]
-- Dispenser 07:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
LUCPOL 15:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm undecided on my opinion of this template. It appeared at Films considered the greatest ever with limit equal to two. I can understand why the long TOC might have been cumbersome so it was moved to the right side of the page so text could wrap around it. Then it was limited to just the top level, which seems to undo the need for moving it to the right. This also leads me to wonder if there is a way to have a TOC just for a section. The sections in the film list are quite numerous, so it would be useful to have a TOC for the section by genre and section by country. If they are removed from the top TOC, can they be added back at each subsection? Another possibility might be to have a collapsible TOC (like the way Subcategories can open and close on category pages), or have the possibility of collapsing a section, or the entire article into the TOC. So for example, with the film list, when you got to the section about particular genres of film, it might start out collapsed as a list, each entry of which could be opened up. Navigating around this page is going to be more of a problem as the list of countries gets bigger. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 07:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
Please use {{ documentation}}. 16@r 22:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This should be done with modification to CSS, not through a template. Have listed on VfD and removed the stuff that shifts the TOC to the right. - Ta bu shi da yu 4 July 2005 05:59 (UTC)
On my talk page Ta bu shi da yu wrote: I'll concede the point entirely if a style guideline is created that makes people use that under the lead section. However, there is now a problem of the heading underline cutting the TOC, making it look unprofessional. If these things can be sorted I will drop all my objections to the template, and apologise for losing perspective on the whole issue. This sounds sensible to me, except that in the case of a very long lead section, TOCright might be better at the start of the article. DES 5 July 2005 04:20 (UTC)
MOS guidelines for the use of this template in particular, and of floating TOCs in general, are now being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Template:TOCright_2. I urge anyone interested in this subject to read and comment there. Settling this with an MOS guideline is IMO the best way to proceed. DES 8 July 2005 16:11 (UTC)
This template was nominated for deletion. It sparked a lengthy debate with a number of suggestions and proposals, but no consensus to delete it. So it is kept, but it may be worthwhile to reword and/or reformat it. See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/TOCright or Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/July 2005 for details. R adiant _>|< 13:01, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
This template is acceptable for non-standard pages like lists and dab pages. However, it should never be used in regular articles. If people want a prettier layout, they should edit their monobook.css pages, not hard-code a different layout in the articles. Zocky | picture popups 10:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Template:TOC right/Archive 1(
talk
links
history) (as is) has no effect with browsers not
supporting CSS for various reasons. Please add
align="right"
at the end of the
included section before <noinclude>
to make it work also for older visual browsers.
In
WP:SIZE I've replaced it by the simple workaround:
{| align="right" | __TOC__ |}
It's beyond me why anybody needs a template to
screw with the consistent look and feel of most
pages, but at least it should work. For most
modern browsers any CSS should overrule the
align="right"
effect where necessary.
-- Omniplex 11:25, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
To an administrator colleague: Kindly add [[cs:Šablona:RIGHTTOC]] to the template page (noinclude section, of course:-). Thanks. – wiki-vr 21:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
There is template:TOC float right. -- Sheynhertz געשׁ״ך 10:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It would be good if an admin could modify the template page to add some (noinclude) stuff like at template:TOC float right, so you could actually see the effect (and not just on the talk page). Stevage 12:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:
[[vi:Tiêu bản:Mục lục bên phải]]
Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 00:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we have some usage instructions on the template page (using <noinclude></noinclude>), and perhaps a link to a MoS guideline? I know there's been a controversy - I like the template, but I don't want to use it in ways that cause unnecessary conflicts. -- Singkong2005 talk 00:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi folks. User:TonyTheTiger recently requested help putting his {{ TOCright}} to the left of his userboxes on his user page. I helped him out by copying the source of the template and removing the "clear: right", but I think this would be better handled in the template. I propose changing the wikitext to the following (leaving out the <noinclude> portion):
{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="clear: {{{clear|right}}}; margin-bottom: .5em; float: right; padding: .5em 0 .8em 1.4em; background: none; width: {{{width|{{{1|auto}}}}}};" | __TOC__ |}
It adds a "clear" parameter, defaulted to "right" that allows users to override the CSS clear property (e.g. with "none" in the case that you don't want clearing). It also allows the use of "width=..." in lieu of using the first unnamed parameter for the width. Mike Dillon 05:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
This template is incredibly overused. Only rarely does the TOC really get in the way of other content. Usually it just disrupts the standard appearance of articles with something which is overly cluttered at the beginning. Is there any way we could make some examples of where this template should be used and clearly deliniate those situations? Disambiguation and talk pages are the only example that really comes to mind for me. Articles with excessively long TOCs sometimes look better with the TOC on the right but often a better solution is to reduce the size of the TOC (perhaps by creating proper daughter articles). Almost the only articles which are justified in having such a long TOC (and thus floating it) are those that have a long list of countries. Also articles where the intro is too long ( American Civil War). savidan (talk) (e@) 01:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[[mk:Шаблон:TOCright]]
-- Dispenser 07:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
LUCPOL 15:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm undecided on my opinion of this template. It appeared at Films considered the greatest ever with limit equal to two. I can understand why the long TOC might have been cumbersome so it was moved to the right side of the page so text could wrap around it. Then it was limited to just the top level, which seems to undo the need for moving it to the right. This also leads me to wonder if there is a way to have a TOC just for a section. The sections in the film list are quite numerous, so it would be useful to have a TOC for the section by genre and section by country. If they are removed from the top TOC, can they be added back at each subsection? Another possibility might be to have a collapsible TOC (like the way Subcategories can open and close on category pages), or have the possibility of collapsing a section, or the entire article into the TOC. So for example, with the film list, when you got to the section about particular genres of film, it might start out collapsed as a list, each entry of which could be opened up. Navigating around this page is going to be more of a problem as the list of countries gets bigger. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 07:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
Please use {{ documentation}}. 16@r 22:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)