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This template was created from a section of the template:human rights (which had grown very large). At the moment, items on this template still transclude template human rights, the intention is that on those pages, the human rights template be replaced with links to this template. Zodon ( talk) 01:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
It's not the level of detail, it's the title. Template:Particular human rights covers the same trio of broad categories as Template:Human rights, but in addition to enumerating these rights, it replaces the short, simple "Human rights" title with the weaselly "Concepts that may be considered as human rights".
Frankly, I find the weaselly-titled template deeply offensive, as it implies that a fundamental rights like freedom from discrimination is merely something that "may be considered" to be a human right. Obviously, there is some disagreement among people regarding what ought to be considered a human right, but this is best handled in the context of each specific article, not with weasel words for the entire bunch.
The WP:BOLD thing to do would be to simultaneously remove the weaselling and roll this article back to the specific template. Since I've only been blocked twice in the last week, I've still got plenty of courage to be bold, so that's exactly what I'm going to do. Spotfixer ( talk) 06:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Being WP:BOLD, I have added what I hope will be viewed as an acceptable compromise. The long highly self-qualifying title detracted from the template. However, since the topics in the template are not all universally accepted as human rights, the template should be clear about that fact or risk POV issues. I noticed that other templates have notes about their content at the bottom of the template, so I changed the title to the simplified "Particular Human Rights" and added a note explaining that the topics in the template are not necessarily universally accepted. - Neitherday ( talk) 13:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why removed gay rights - this template is a list of rights (and liberties), not a list of groups advocating for rights or groups to whom rights apply. Admittedly there are a few gropings of rights included as headings - but they are just there to help make the list a bit more manageable (dividing the list into broadly understood categories helps make it more manageable).
So yes gay rights is a standard grouping of rights, but we already have several templates that list/navigate among such groupings. (See {{ rights}}, {{ discrimination}}/{{ discrimination sidebar}} and {{ family rights}}). Don't need to have every rights article on every navigation template.
This doesn't mean that the templates can't evolve, but should coordinate changes to help make coherent, consistent navigation system. (If going to add such groupings of rights to this template in any capacity other than as headings, should add some consistent set of them, and remove from some other template.) Zodon ( talk) 08:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Is Right of self-defense a human right? i.e. appropriate for the catch-all section of this template? Removed it from the rights template as being too narrow (if start putting individual rights like that on that template, it will get huge like this one.) But I am unclear from reading the article if right of self-defense is considered a human right or not. Zodon ( talk) 00:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
@ Randy Kryn and Mitchumch: & other admins
Undersigned feels, wishes & requests, this template or Human right template, need to have links to following legal concepts
Thanks and regards
This template was considered for deletion on 2019 October 15. The result of the discussion was "do not merge". |
Human rights Template‑class | |||||||
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This template was created from a section of the template:human rights (which had grown very large). At the moment, items on this template still transclude template human rights, the intention is that on those pages, the human rights template be replaced with links to this template. Zodon ( talk) 01:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
It's not the level of detail, it's the title. Template:Particular human rights covers the same trio of broad categories as Template:Human rights, but in addition to enumerating these rights, it replaces the short, simple "Human rights" title with the weaselly "Concepts that may be considered as human rights".
Frankly, I find the weaselly-titled template deeply offensive, as it implies that a fundamental rights like freedom from discrimination is merely something that "may be considered" to be a human right. Obviously, there is some disagreement among people regarding what ought to be considered a human right, but this is best handled in the context of each specific article, not with weasel words for the entire bunch.
The WP:BOLD thing to do would be to simultaneously remove the weaselling and roll this article back to the specific template. Since I've only been blocked twice in the last week, I've still got plenty of courage to be bold, so that's exactly what I'm going to do. Spotfixer ( talk) 06:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Being WP:BOLD, I have added what I hope will be viewed as an acceptable compromise. The long highly self-qualifying title detracted from the template. However, since the topics in the template are not all universally accepted as human rights, the template should be clear about that fact or risk POV issues. I noticed that other templates have notes about their content at the bottom of the template, so I changed the title to the simplified "Particular Human Rights" and added a note explaining that the topics in the template are not necessarily universally accepted. - Neitherday ( talk) 13:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why removed gay rights - this template is a list of rights (and liberties), not a list of groups advocating for rights or groups to whom rights apply. Admittedly there are a few gropings of rights included as headings - but they are just there to help make the list a bit more manageable (dividing the list into broadly understood categories helps make it more manageable).
So yes gay rights is a standard grouping of rights, but we already have several templates that list/navigate among such groupings. (See {{ rights}}, {{ discrimination}}/{{ discrimination sidebar}} and {{ family rights}}). Don't need to have every rights article on every navigation template.
This doesn't mean that the templates can't evolve, but should coordinate changes to help make coherent, consistent navigation system. (If going to add such groupings of rights to this template in any capacity other than as headings, should add some consistent set of them, and remove from some other template.) Zodon ( talk) 08:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Is Right of self-defense a human right? i.e. appropriate for the catch-all section of this template? Removed it from the rights template as being too narrow (if start putting individual rights like that on that template, it will get huge like this one.) But I am unclear from reading the article if right of self-defense is considered a human right or not. Zodon ( talk) 00:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
@ Randy Kryn and Mitchumch: & other admins
Undersigned feels, wishes & requests, this template or Human right template, need to have links to following legal concepts
Thanks and regards