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A new type of stub has been created: it's called a substub. Substubs are like regular stubs, only even smaller. You can read more about the difference between stubs and substubs here, or view examples of stubs vs. substubs. There is also a new substub template message; the new message is meant to replace the normal stub message, but only where, of course, an article is a substub instead of a stub. The new message looks like:
This article is a substub. A substub is even smaller than a normal stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
You can use this new message by either replacing {{stub}} with {{substub}} in cases when a stub is more accurately described as a substub, or simply inserting {{substub}} at the bottom of an article. Many substubs are automatically listed on Wikipedia:Shortpages. You can discuss this new type of stub here, on the template message's talk page, or, preferably, on the substub talk page itself. -- Mike Storm 03:09, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking, wouldn't be better if the stub message was rendered as a paragraph (or even centered)? That way it wouldn't "merge" with the article text, as it currently does, and it'd look more like a warning — Kieff 09:10, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
Copied from Village pump - this discuss provides the reasoning for why we have a div inside the template - it allows users to decide to blank the template for themselves only, if they wish.
<div class="template" id="stub">...</div>
and then putting div.template#stub { display: none; }
into your monobook.css
. I didn't dare try that one out on the live
Template:stub, though, but a test using
Template:testing showed that it works for the display. However,
Template:testing has a link to
User:Lupo/temp (a test page of mine), and "What links here" on
User:Lupo/temp didn't show the page I had included "{{testing}}" on, only the template itself did. Is this normal, or are some templates (e.g.
Template:stub) handled differently so that the pages including the template show up on "What links here" on
Wikipedia:Perfect stub article? Oh, and BTW, could some admin please delete
Template:testing again? Thanks.
Lupo 11:34, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
<div>
around the text. But I don't care very much about such a minor implementation detail, both are fine with me.)
Lupo 12:41, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(Breaking out of indentation...) Pete, you said in your edit comment you weren't sure whether both the class
and the id
were needed. I used both because it allows selectively switching on or off individual templates, or the whole bunch of them. Consider the newly created {{substub}}: if you don't want to see those, but wanted to see the stub messages, you'd add only div.boilerplate#substub { display: none; }
to your CSS. If you wanted to see no boilerplates at all, you might add a single div.boilerplate { display:none; }
. If you don't want to see either stub message, but do want to see other boilerplates, you might add div.boilerplate#substub, div.boilerplate#stub { display: none; }
to your CSS. Using both class
and id
gives users a little bit more flexibility, that's all.
Lupo 09:06, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
THE STUB MESSAGE IS STUPID SO I BLANKED IT. -- 216.229.223.247 09:09, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) A.K.A. CoolDude
There is an extraneous space between "it" and the final period.
Thanks, Dominus 13:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
personally I say no, they are stupid, they make the article look tacky and no one pays attention to them.-- Ryan B. ( Talk, contributions) 08:12, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I don't support them in this form. A page (i.e. wikipedia:list of substubs), or putting the tag on the talk page would be better. anthony (see warning) [message edited after reply]
If you feel this way, bring it up on the village pump, where more people will see your comments. -- ssd 03:13, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Cat'ing articles as stubs is important for statistical purposes. Masterhomer
I think it would be better if the stub message were not so absolute. Something along the lines of "This article has been tagged as a stub, because some believe that it should be expanded". -- NoPetrol 06:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please unprotect this template, or I'll be forced to use a new template for stubs. Templated should not be protected. Good changes to Template:Protected have been possible because that template is not protected. -- Cantus 17:45, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)
How about bringing back the automatic tagging of Category:Stub on the stub. That was a really convenient devise. →Iñgólemo← 03:22, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
There are now just 1952 articles in the category. So will you now...?
Grutness|
hello?
03:31, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
(see also at the top)
Dividing up the stub categories would help to set off the load for the poor stub category.
I've added the following new stubs to the list:
geo-stub = geography stubs
edu-stub = University or college related stubs
mov-stub = Notable movies or films related stubs
- Allyunion 23:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please enclose in each stub template the message in <div id="stub"> and </div> to allow the user to apply a user style.-- Patrick 23:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Big sorry for this edit, I meant to edit my test template, which I had unfortunately previously redirected to template:stub (I forget what I was trying then, but its there in the edit history if you want to check). I was working quickly, and ended up changing this by accident. If anything went wrong on my account (ie Speedy deletions, etc), I definately volunteer to undelete or fix anything. Thanks to Kate for speedily reverting it, and to anyone else who notified me or tried to fix it. — siro χ o 06:02, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
in HTML (and XHTML) a tag can only have one class= in it. MediaWiki removes all but the last one. They're supposed to be combined, class="boilerplate metadata". Goplat 03:16, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Psst. Add class="plainlinks"
. That is all.
Oooo, .,-;''"";-,. ,oooO 04:24, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Since the bug which caused
Category:NaodW29-item6a1c86547e335864 stubs has been fixed, {{
metastub}} is now available as a simple, consistent framework for stub templates (see
Template:Stubs for its use). --[[User:Eequor|
η
υωρ]] 19:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
{{metastub|article=[[aircraft]]-related article|id=aerostub|category=Aircraft}}
is a simplified version of
Template:Aero-stub. It produces:I was inspired by the French version of the stub template when thinking of the following wording:
The phrases in brackets are optional. Note also that this wording eliminates the word Wikipedia, to better conform with Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. Discuss. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk)]] 22:46, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
I like the re-wording, especially the "know or can find out more information" idea. How would this be changed, as it seems like the template is still protected? -- Vishahu 19:13, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
There are three different stub templates for movies: template:movie-stub, template:mov-stub, template:film-stub. If no-one objects violently, I will start using the first in preference to the latter two. -- Phil | Talk 08:57, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
Could someone with the clout to do it put a <BR> before the text of this template? It would improve the appearance of thousands (alas) of pages! — Bill 22:49, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
Does the message really need two links to the same page ("stub" and "help") in its two-sentence length? 65.116.19.243 19:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Would some fix the template so that it looks reasonable in Cologne Blue? The current format (from 23:27, 2004 Sep 30) glues the message to the last line of the article text. Thanks -- User:Docu
How do people feel about adding an icon to the template, like Wikipedias in most other languages have? (see German, French, Polish and Estonian for different examples) I personally like the Polish version, although the German one is pretty cool as well. -- Aram գուտանգ 01:33, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have found that even the stub categories are getting large and unwieldy. So here is my suggested example, used in this case for simple stub, though it can be applied to any other category of stub:
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. [[:Category:Stubs beginning with {{{1}}}|{{{2}}}]]
In this example, {{{1}}} is the first letter of the title and {{{2}}} is the second letter of the title. That way, the stubs can still be broken into categories, they won't all be listed under the same letter.
• → Iñgólemo ←• 04:14, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)
Do we really need to tack on:
to random stub messages? Isn't the link of the text "expanding it" enough? (Do we really want people who aren't acquainted with this concept of "clicking" on "links" to edit an encyclopedia?)
In any event, it should be consistent. Only some have this. -- Joy [shallot] 19:41, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think it's bloated and unnecessary. The "expand it" link already does that. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion (talk)]] 10:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
According to Template talk:Auto-stub, we should remove this stub from all articles that it appears on, and never add it to any articles. Is this correct? Should the mention of this kind of stub above be fixed?
Brianjd 08:03, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
By "the mention above" I mean the line in the table in the first section, "Categories".
why does this display incorrectly, Card_magic? [[User:BrokenSegue| BrokenSegue]] 05:03, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
How about adding horizontal lines and center-align the text line? Like this:
Does it look better? // Solkoll 14:31, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think articles would look much better if stubs (and other wiki messages) were separated from the main content of an article via ----. I've done this on my installation of MediaWiki and it does look better! Adraeus 13:14, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
So I think WP:CFD has decided that this category is too large. In order for people to still be able to find stubs using the category mechanism, and to help them find stubs of interest to them, it looks like what we need to do is re-tag all the articles currently using this template (see Category:Stub) with a by-topic tag (see Wikipedia:Stub categories). Part of the transition process will also involve people not adding more articles to the pile. So I'm thinking it might be beneficial to add a note to this template that says something like, "This template is being discontinued. Please re-tag this article with a topic-specific stub tag." -- Beland 01:35, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The current concensus on WP:CFD is unanimous (5/6 at this writing) (except for the nominator) in keeping this as is at least until it is empty, and emptying should occur by moving articles to topical stubs (or obviously, by fixing them). Even Beland admits this could be a very slow process. I think saying this template is being discontinued is an exaggeration. -- ssd 15:42, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I attempted to make some changed to this template, but every time I tried I got sent an error page. The current version has the text too close to the image, and whacky HTML that could mess up some browsers. So, could an admin please edit the template to read this:?
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="5" style="background-color: transparent;"><tr><td>[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px|Wiki letter w]]</td><td>''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</td></tr></table></div>
Thanks! ✏ OvenFresh ☺ 01:07, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Now that only 200 articles are loaded at a time, can we put stubs back into Category:Stub, or is it still too much for the servers? - Aranel ("Sarah") 23:35, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
One thing I'm not sure about: where exactly should the stub message be placed? I seem to remember hearing that it should go after the main article body, but before sections like External links. However, I can't seem to find where I read that. What do you guys think? Jason One 23:45, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to remove the category from the template. Such a thing is a big hit on the servers. I'd also like to reduce the code overall, by removing the table tags.
Feedback? -- Netoholic @ 17:53, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)
The change in the code looks good to me, but I will admit that I am not an expert on HTML or Wiki code.
Old version:
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub"><table cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style="background-color: transparent;"><tr><td>[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px| ]]</td><td>''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</td></tr></table></div>[[:Category:Stub]] {{stub}} Netoholic's new version:
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub" style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px| ]] ''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</div>
The stub category should also be removed from the template code. I counted 3,999 articles in Category:Stub before the software quit listing articles at Susan Weber Soros. Although a few people have been going through and coverting stubs into topic stubs, there haven't been enough stubs converted to reduce the number of stub articles to a reasonable amount. The developer User:Jamesday has said the goal is to have a category preferably below 500, but at least under 1,000 articles. The problem is that a large number of the articles that have the stub template are not in the stub category because that was removed from the template code quite awhile ago. If you do a Google site-search on "This article is a stub" [1] you will see that the true number of articles with the stub template is "about 21,300". BlankVerse ∅ 14:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and btw my vote would be to simplify the template if that will help, but if possible keep the category on it (
category:Stub currently contains 4703 items, BTW, but page one now goes up to J)
Grutness|
hello?
00:44, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think that the class
spec. should include plainlinks
, so the template would then appear as:
Comments? (note, I'm trying to get the spacing issue resolved at MediaWiki talk:Monobook.css) – AB CD 03:22, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Add the usual id="stub":
Patrick 02:04, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
#stub {display: none;}
, etc. to see the modifications. –
AB
CD 03:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The template coulkd be simplified (hopefully with at least a little reduction in server strain) quite simply by the following method: 1) Merge the pages Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub and Wikipedia:Perfect stub article into one article (there is a lot of overlap anyway) or at the very least put links between them. 2) Change the template message to:
It may only help a little, but any help might, erm, help.
Grutness|
hello?
11:04, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The underlining is unnecessary (and, for the purposes of my suggestion, an irrelevance). It could be bolded, or plain text. The point is that the number of links on the template is reduced by 20% (leaving the edit function, the picture, the stub category, and only one other link). Surely this will help the servers, no?
Grutness|
hello?
08:06, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Better still, as suggested above, we don't really need the edit function tied to the stub template - it's on the page menu anyway. All we need, then, is:
...and we've got a 40% reduction in links - one page, one picture, and one category. Wouldn't that help?
Grutness|
hello?
12:26, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Could it be done by changing the text of the stub template to [[:Category:Stubs (start with {{{1}}})]]. When the tag <nowiki>{{stub}} is added to an article start with the letter A, it should be added as {{stub|A}}. This will link articles with the stub template to the corresponding stubs categories according the first letter of the title. — Insta ntnood 07:30 Feb 26 2005 (UTC) (copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting#What links here versus stub category ) — Insta ntnood 11:35 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)
Wqhat is going on?
Category: stub is at its lowest level for months, well below the level that people were talking about the category should be on, and someone comes along and takes it off. I've put it back on, and would like to know why it was removed. If there was a good reason not mentioned here (or mentioned here and hidden in the length of this page somewhere), then I will accept that it shouldn't be there, but right now it seems very strange that it's been removed!
Grutness|
hello?
09:46, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it really necessary or desirable? Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:31, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
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A new type of stub has been created: it's called a substub. Substubs are like regular stubs, only even smaller. You can read more about the difference between stubs and substubs here, or view examples of stubs vs. substubs. There is also a new substub template message; the new message is meant to replace the normal stub message, but only where, of course, an article is a substub instead of a stub. The new message looks like:
This article is a substub. A substub is even smaller than a normal stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
You can use this new message by either replacing {{stub}} with {{substub}} in cases when a stub is more accurately described as a substub, or simply inserting {{substub}} at the bottom of an article. Many substubs are automatically listed on Wikipedia:Shortpages. You can discuss this new type of stub here, on the template message's talk page, or, preferably, on the substub talk page itself. -- Mike Storm 03:09, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking, wouldn't be better if the stub message was rendered as a paragraph (or even centered)? That way it wouldn't "merge" with the article text, as it currently does, and it'd look more like a warning — Kieff 09:10, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
Copied from Village pump - this discuss provides the reasoning for why we have a div inside the template - it allows users to decide to blank the template for themselves only, if they wish.
<div class="template" id="stub">...</div>
and then putting div.template#stub { display: none; }
into your monobook.css
. I didn't dare try that one out on the live
Template:stub, though, but a test using
Template:testing showed that it works for the display. However,
Template:testing has a link to
User:Lupo/temp (a test page of mine), and "What links here" on
User:Lupo/temp didn't show the page I had included "{{testing}}" on, only the template itself did. Is this normal, or are some templates (e.g.
Template:stub) handled differently so that the pages including the template show up on "What links here" on
Wikipedia:Perfect stub article? Oh, and BTW, could some admin please delete
Template:testing again? Thanks.
Lupo 11:34, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
<div>
around the text. But I don't care very much about such a minor implementation detail, both are fine with me.)
Lupo 12:41, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(Breaking out of indentation...) Pete, you said in your edit comment you weren't sure whether both the class
and the id
were needed. I used both because it allows selectively switching on or off individual templates, or the whole bunch of them. Consider the newly created {{substub}}: if you don't want to see those, but wanted to see the stub messages, you'd add only div.boilerplate#substub { display: none; }
to your CSS. If you wanted to see no boilerplates at all, you might add a single div.boilerplate { display:none; }
. If you don't want to see either stub message, but do want to see other boilerplates, you might add div.boilerplate#substub, div.boilerplate#stub { display: none; }
to your CSS. Using both class
and id
gives users a little bit more flexibility, that's all.
Lupo 09:06, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
THE STUB MESSAGE IS STUPID SO I BLANKED IT. -- 216.229.223.247 09:09, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) A.K.A. CoolDude
There is an extraneous space between "it" and the final period.
Thanks, Dominus 13:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
personally I say no, they are stupid, they make the article look tacky and no one pays attention to them.-- Ryan B. ( Talk, contributions) 08:12, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I don't support them in this form. A page (i.e. wikipedia:list of substubs), or putting the tag on the talk page would be better. anthony (see warning) [message edited after reply]
If you feel this way, bring it up on the village pump, where more people will see your comments. -- ssd 03:13, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Cat'ing articles as stubs is important for statistical purposes. Masterhomer
I think it would be better if the stub message were not so absolute. Something along the lines of "This article has been tagged as a stub, because some believe that it should be expanded". -- NoPetrol 06:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please unprotect this template, or I'll be forced to use a new template for stubs. Templated should not be protected. Good changes to Template:Protected have been possible because that template is not protected. -- Cantus 17:45, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)
How about bringing back the automatic tagging of Category:Stub on the stub. That was a really convenient devise. →Iñgólemo← 03:22, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
There are now just 1952 articles in the category. So will you now...?
Grutness|
hello?
03:31, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
(see also at the top)
Dividing up the stub categories would help to set off the load for the poor stub category.
I've added the following new stubs to the list:
geo-stub = geography stubs
edu-stub = University or college related stubs
mov-stub = Notable movies or films related stubs
- Allyunion 23:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please enclose in each stub template the message in <div id="stub"> and </div> to allow the user to apply a user style.-- Patrick 23:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Big sorry for this edit, I meant to edit my test template, which I had unfortunately previously redirected to template:stub (I forget what I was trying then, but its there in the edit history if you want to check). I was working quickly, and ended up changing this by accident. If anything went wrong on my account (ie Speedy deletions, etc), I definately volunteer to undelete or fix anything. Thanks to Kate for speedily reverting it, and to anyone else who notified me or tried to fix it. — siro χ o 06:02, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
in HTML (and XHTML) a tag can only have one class= in it. MediaWiki removes all but the last one. They're supposed to be combined, class="boilerplate metadata". Goplat 03:16, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Psst. Add class="plainlinks"
. That is all.
Oooo, .,-;''"";-,. ,oooO 04:24, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Since the bug which caused
Category:NaodW29-item6a1c86547e335864 stubs has been fixed, {{
metastub}} is now available as a simple, consistent framework for stub templates (see
Template:Stubs for its use). --[[User:Eequor|
η
υωρ]] 19:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
{{metastub|article=[[aircraft]]-related article|id=aerostub|category=Aircraft}}
is a simplified version of
Template:Aero-stub. It produces:I was inspired by the French version of the stub template when thinking of the following wording:
The phrases in brackets are optional. Note also that this wording eliminates the word Wikipedia, to better conform with Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. Discuss. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk)]] 22:46, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
I like the re-wording, especially the "know or can find out more information" idea. How would this be changed, as it seems like the template is still protected? -- Vishahu 19:13, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
There are three different stub templates for movies: template:movie-stub, template:mov-stub, template:film-stub. If no-one objects violently, I will start using the first in preference to the latter two. -- Phil | Talk 08:57, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
Could someone with the clout to do it put a <BR> before the text of this template? It would improve the appearance of thousands (alas) of pages! — Bill 22:49, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
Does the message really need two links to the same page ("stub" and "help") in its two-sentence length? 65.116.19.243 19:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Would some fix the template so that it looks reasonable in Cologne Blue? The current format (from 23:27, 2004 Sep 30) glues the message to the last line of the article text. Thanks -- User:Docu
How do people feel about adding an icon to the template, like Wikipedias in most other languages have? (see German, French, Polish and Estonian for different examples) I personally like the Polish version, although the German one is pretty cool as well. -- Aram գուտանգ 01:33, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have found that even the stub categories are getting large and unwieldy. So here is my suggested example, used in this case for simple stub, though it can be applied to any other category of stub:
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. [[:Category:Stubs beginning with {{{1}}}|{{{2}}}]]
In this example, {{{1}}} is the first letter of the title and {{{2}}} is the second letter of the title. That way, the stubs can still be broken into categories, they won't all be listed under the same letter.
• → Iñgólemo ←• 04:14, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)
Do we really need to tack on:
to random stub messages? Isn't the link of the text "expanding it" enough? (Do we really want people who aren't acquainted with this concept of "clicking" on "links" to edit an encyclopedia?)
In any event, it should be consistent. Only some have this. -- Joy [shallot] 19:41, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think it's bloated and unnecessary. The "expand it" link already does that. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion (talk)]] 10:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
According to Template talk:Auto-stub, we should remove this stub from all articles that it appears on, and never add it to any articles. Is this correct? Should the mention of this kind of stub above be fixed?
Brianjd 08:03, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
By "the mention above" I mean the line in the table in the first section, "Categories".
why does this display incorrectly, Card_magic? [[User:BrokenSegue| BrokenSegue]] 05:03, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
How about adding horizontal lines and center-align the text line? Like this:
Does it look better? // Solkoll 14:31, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think articles would look much better if stubs (and other wiki messages) were separated from the main content of an article via ----. I've done this on my installation of MediaWiki and it does look better! Adraeus 13:14, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
So I think WP:CFD has decided that this category is too large. In order for people to still be able to find stubs using the category mechanism, and to help them find stubs of interest to them, it looks like what we need to do is re-tag all the articles currently using this template (see Category:Stub) with a by-topic tag (see Wikipedia:Stub categories). Part of the transition process will also involve people not adding more articles to the pile. So I'm thinking it might be beneficial to add a note to this template that says something like, "This template is being discontinued. Please re-tag this article with a topic-specific stub tag." -- Beland 01:35, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The current concensus on WP:CFD is unanimous (5/6 at this writing) (except for the nominator) in keeping this as is at least until it is empty, and emptying should occur by moving articles to topical stubs (or obviously, by fixing them). Even Beland admits this could be a very slow process. I think saying this template is being discontinued is an exaggeration. -- ssd 15:42, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I attempted to make some changed to this template, but every time I tried I got sent an error page. The current version has the text too close to the image, and whacky HTML that could mess up some browsers. So, could an admin please edit the template to read this:?
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="5" style="background-color: transparent;"><tr><td>[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px|Wiki letter w]]</td><td>''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</td></tr></table></div>
Thanks! ✏ OvenFresh ☺ 01:07, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Now that only 200 articles are loaded at a time, can we put stubs back into Category:Stub, or is it still too much for the servers? - Aranel ("Sarah") 23:35, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
One thing I'm not sure about: where exactly should the stub message be placed? I seem to remember hearing that it should go after the main article body, but before sections like External links. However, I can't seem to find where I read that. What do you guys think? Jason One 23:45, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to remove the category from the template. Such a thing is a big hit on the servers. I'd also like to reduce the code overall, by removing the table tags.
Feedback? -- Netoholic @ 17:53, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)
The change in the code looks good to me, but I will admit that I am not an expert on HTML or Wiki code.
Old version:
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub"><table cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style="background-color: transparent;"><tr><td>[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px| ]]</td><td>''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</td></tr></table></div>[[:Category:Stub]] {{stub}} Netoholic's new version:
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub" style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Image:Wiki letter w.svg|48px| ]] ''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</div>
The stub category should also be removed from the template code. I counted 3,999 articles in Category:Stub before the software quit listing articles at Susan Weber Soros. Although a few people have been going through and coverting stubs into topic stubs, there haven't been enough stubs converted to reduce the number of stub articles to a reasonable amount. The developer User:Jamesday has said the goal is to have a category preferably below 500, but at least under 1,000 articles. The problem is that a large number of the articles that have the stub template are not in the stub category because that was removed from the template code quite awhile ago. If you do a Google site-search on "This article is a stub" [1] you will see that the true number of articles with the stub template is "about 21,300". BlankVerse ∅ 14:38, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and btw my vote would be to simplify the template if that will help, but if possible keep the category on it (
category:Stub currently contains 4703 items, BTW, but page one now goes up to J)
Grutness|
hello?
00:44, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think that the class
spec. should include plainlinks
, so the template would then appear as:
Comments? (note, I'm trying to get the spacing issue resolved at MediaWiki talk:Monobook.css) – AB CD 03:22, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Add the usual id="stub":
Patrick 02:04, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
#stub {display: none;}
, etc. to see the modifications. –
AB
CD 03:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The template coulkd be simplified (hopefully with at least a little reduction in server strain) quite simply by the following method: 1) Merge the pages Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub and Wikipedia:Perfect stub article into one article (there is a lot of overlap anyway) or at the very least put links between them. 2) Change the template message to:
It may only help a little, but any help might, erm, help.
Grutness|
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11:04, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The underlining is unnecessary (and, for the purposes of my suggestion, an irrelevance). It could be bolded, or plain text. The point is that the number of links on the template is reduced by 20% (leaving the edit function, the picture, the stub category, and only one other link). Surely this will help the servers, no?
Grutness|
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08:06, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Better still, as suggested above, we don't really need the edit function tied to the stub template - it's on the page menu anyway. All we need, then, is:
...and we've got a 40% reduction in links - one page, one picture, and one category. Wouldn't that help?
Grutness|
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12:26, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Could it be done by changing the text of the stub template to [[:Category:Stubs (start with {{{1}}})]]. When the tag <nowiki>{{stub}} is added to an article start with the letter A, it should be added as {{stub|A}}. This will link articles with the stub template to the corresponding stubs categories according the first letter of the title. — Insta ntnood 07:30 Feb 26 2005 (UTC) (copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting#What links here versus stub category ) — Insta ntnood 11:35 Mar 1 2005 (UTC)
Wqhat is going on?
Category: stub is at its lowest level for months, well below the level that people were talking about the category should be on, and someone comes along and takes it off. I've put it back on, and would like to know why it was removed. If there was a good reason not mentioned here (or mentioned here and hidden in the length of this page somewhere), then I will accept that it shouldn't be there, but right now it seems very strange that it's been removed!
Grutness|
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09:46, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it really necessary or desirable? Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:31, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)