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However it has come to pass that all the msg:stub articles have come to be redirected to template:stub, what this achieves is to post "1. redirect template:stub" on each message that carried the stub message the old way. Fixing each such page will require mighty labours. Smerdis of Tlön 16:22, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
When I saw my first stub article on WP, I thought that the link in "...You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" should take me to the edit page for the current article (not to Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub). But it didn't matter because, as I recall, at the time this wasn't even possible in the MediaWiki software.
But now that we have {{localurl}} and other fun variables, it would be easy to link the "expanding it" text to the edit page for the current article:
What do others think? -- Diberri | Talk 15:24, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)
How about:
Seems that a rephrase isn't entirely necessary. -- Diberri | Talk 22:09, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
May I add my humble opinion that the new stub message is godawfully ugly. The ugly long URL that gets stuck after the edit link makes every article that has been marked as a stub look stupid. - Cymydog Naakka 19:18, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
<p><em>This article is a <a blah blah>stub</a>. You can
<a blah blah>help</a> Wikipedia by <a href=
'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit' class='external' title=
"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit">expanding it</a> <span class=
'urlexpansion'>(<i>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit</i>)</span>.</em></p>
; I don't suppose my browser would add funny things like that to the HTML.<link rel='stylesheet' type='text/css' media='print' href='/style/wikiprintable.css' />
I think that would be good style: <div style="width: 70%; padding: 4px; background: #f7f8ff; border: 1px solid gray; margin: 0 auto; text-align: center;" align="center">''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''. </div>
One can better notice it. Kahkonen 12:51, 2004 Aug 2 (UTC)
Some sort of bug... at the bottom of White_cliffs_of_Dover, {{msg:stub}} expands to a red link to Template:Stub
I've noticed that someone has created a stub category. I like the idea, as I have recently proposed to do the same for cleanup articles. The category will provide a clean list of all stubs. I think the easiest way to do this is to add the stub category to the template, so I am about to do that. As per usual, I welcome any tips, comments, and flames. -- Caliper 19:39, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be easier just to use Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Stub to get a list of all stubs? -- Diberri | Talk 22:30, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
Just to emphasize my point here...I agree with ✏ Sverdrup that maintaining three lists of stubs is a bad idea. Having the stub category and adding articles to it manually is therefore a bad idea. However, if the category is part of the stub template, then the stub category does not add a "new list", merely a better interface to an existing list. (what links here from the template) -- ssd 03:36, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
If we add [[Category:Stub]] to [[Template:Stub]] will it have the same effect as if we would put [[Category:Stub]] on everything that links to [[Template:Stub]]? If so, I think it would be a very good temporary solution until the What links here pages flow into a mode like Category: when they reach 501. -- Ævar Arnfjör› Bjarmason 19:12, 2004 Jun 22 (UTC)
The appearance of this category on stub articles is really ugly. Is there a way we can make it not appear on pages within the category? - Mark 14:41, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Obviously some will work sometimes...
Did I miss any alternatives to categories to add to this list?
Where was this advertised? You can't expect people to watch every single template for the talk page. I'd say post it on the pump, RC, and start a vote. By the way, the ensuing edit war and probably just the querying of the stub category has the potential to bring the servers to a halt, all the more reason to thoroughly discuss major changes in advance. Dori | Talk 20:11, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
It does seem, to me, to be unnecessary and cluttered - it surely performs exactly the same function as "What links here"? Due to the length of the stubs it normally looks overpowering and clunky - I can't see any point in having it, whatsoever. I wouldn't mind a category (it cannot do harm) if the category bar did not be displayed... is there any way to do this? --[[User:OldakQuill| Oldak Quill]] 14:41, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just in case someone didn't get my point in comments above, the way to fix the huge size of this category is NOT to get rid of the category, but to get rid of the STUBS! Any solution to the huge size of this probably should directly address a better way to reduce the number of articles marked as stubs. -- ssd 06:19, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Actually, if you want to get cute, other than the rather hard database hit, we could point it at a slightly new category every week, and then each one would collect a few thousand stubs, and when the old categories start to empty out, recycle...I would not be opposed to that. I just want to make it obvious that there is work to be done somewhere... -- ssd 06:03, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
OK, I finally manages to get a dump loaded locally, and I ran a query of the stubs: Media:dori.20040704.stubs.txt. Now can we get rid of the category? Dori | Talk 23:06, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)
I support the removal of the stub category from the template until the number of stubs listed in the category drops below 4000. Ideally, we'd find an automatic way to make several stub category pages all with around 4000-5000 entries each. I think splitting the stubs up by subject area will work much better in the long run, however. -- ssd 06:05, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I see several ways to make Category:stub smaller:
I don't think discontinuing the category would be helpful. Feel free to add to this list. Please comment if you think any of these would be a good idea, or if the status quo is good enough. -- ssd 17:49, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Check out the finnish stub article. It's this nice little light-grey box. We use those in all the messages, such as disambig and spoiler. -- Lussmu 17:15, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You can't make links like [[Category:Stub {{CURRENTDAYNAME}}]], there's a bug in MediaWiki which will cause link table corruption if you do. -- Tim Starling 07:21, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
I think stubs should be split up by category, that way the stubs are more organized and will make it easier to find stubs to fix. For example {{lang-stub}} for stubs on languages or {{auto-stub}} for automobiles. What do you think? There is already something like this for pokémon, see Template:poke-stub. Krik 23:53, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
...does not work properly for pages with spaces in the names. See Luca di Montezemolo: the search link does a google search for just "Luca" and the "di Montezemolo" gets stuck in front of the word "search." The source is this: "For instance, you might [http://www.google.com/search?&as_epq={{PAGENAME}} search] for material to add here." Is there a way to get {{PAGENAME}} to substitute underscores for spaces? Rdsmith4 16:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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However it has come to pass that all the msg:stub articles have come to be redirected to template:stub, what this achieves is to post "1. redirect template:stub" on each message that carried the stub message the old way. Fixing each such page will require mighty labours. Smerdis of Tlön 16:22, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
When I saw my first stub article on WP, I thought that the link in "...You can help Wikipedia by expanding it" should take me to the edit page for the current article (not to Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub). But it didn't matter because, as I recall, at the time this wasn't even possible in the MediaWiki software.
But now that we have {{localurl}} and other fun variables, it would be easy to link the "expanding it" text to the edit page for the current article:
What do others think? -- Diberri | Talk 15:24, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)
How about:
Seems that a rephrase isn't entirely necessary. -- Diberri | Talk 22:09, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
May I add my humble opinion that the new stub message is godawfully ugly. The ugly long URL that gets stuck after the edit link makes every article that has been marked as a stub look stupid. - Cymydog Naakka 19:18, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
<p><em>This article is a <a blah blah>stub</a>. You can
<a blah blah>help</a> Wikipedia by <a href=
'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit' class='external' title=
"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit">expanding it</a> <span class=
'urlexpansion'>(<i>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Stub&action=edit</i>)</span>.</em></p>
; I don't suppose my browser would add funny things like that to the HTML.<link rel='stylesheet' type='text/css' media='print' href='/style/wikiprintable.css' />
I think that would be good style: <div style="width: 70%; padding: 4px; background: #f7f8ff; border: 1px solid gray; margin: 0 auto; text-align: center;" align="center">''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} expanding it]''. </div>
One can better notice it. Kahkonen 12:51, 2004 Aug 2 (UTC)
Some sort of bug... at the bottom of White_cliffs_of_Dover, {{msg:stub}} expands to a red link to Template:Stub
I've noticed that someone has created a stub category. I like the idea, as I have recently proposed to do the same for cleanup articles. The category will provide a clean list of all stubs. I think the easiest way to do this is to add the stub category to the template, so I am about to do that. As per usual, I welcome any tips, comments, and flames. -- Caliper 19:39, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be easier just to use Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Stub to get a list of all stubs? -- Diberri | Talk 22:30, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
Just to emphasize my point here...I agree with ✏ Sverdrup that maintaining three lists of stubs is a bad idea. Having the stub category and adding articles to it manually is therefore a bad idea. However, if the category is part of the stub template, then the stub category does not add a "new list", merely a better interface to an existing list. (what links here from the template) -- ssd 03:36, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
If we add [[Category:Stub]] to [[Template:Stub]] will it have the same effect as if we would put [[Category:Stub]] on everything that links to [[Template:Stub]]? If so, I think it would be a very good temporary solution until the What links here pages flow into a mode like Category: when they reach 501. -- Ævar Arnfjör› Bjarmason 19:12, 2004 Jun 22 (UTC)
The appearance of this category on stub articles is really ugly. Is there a way we can make it not appear on pages within the category? - Mark 14:41, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Obviously some will work sometimes...
Did I miss any alternatives to categories to add to this list?
Where was this advertised? You can't expect people to watch every single template for the talk page. I'd say post it on the pump, RC, and start a vote. By the way, the ensuing edit war and probably just the querying of the stub category has the potential to bring the servers to a halt, all the more reason to thoroughly discuss major changes in advance. Dori | Talk 20:11, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
It does seem, to me, to be unnecessary and cluttered - it surely performs exactly the same function as "What links here"? Due to the length of the stubs it normally looks overpowering and clunky - I can't see any point in having it, whatsoever. I wouldn't mind a category (it cannot do harm) if the category bar did not be displayed... is there any way to do this? --[[User:OldakQuill| Oldak Quill]] 14:41, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just in case someone didn't get my point in comments above, the way to fix the huge size of this category is NOT to get rid of the category, but to get rid of the STUBS! Any solution to the huge size of this probably should directly address a better way to reduce the number of articles marked as stubs. -- ssd 06:19, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Actually, if you want to get cute, other than the rather hard database hit, we could point it at a slightly new category every week, and then each one would collect a few thousand stubs, and when the old categories start to empty out, recycle...I would not be opposed to that. I just want to make it obvious that there is work to be done somewhere... -- ssd 06:03, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
OK, I finally manages to get a dump loaded locally, and I ran a query of the stubs: Media:dori.20040704.stubs.txt. Now can we get rid of the category? Dori | Talk 23:06, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)
I support the removal of the stub category from the template until the number of stubs listed in the category drops below 4000. Ideally, we'd find an automatic way to make several stub category pages all with around 4000-5000 entries each. I think splitting the stubs up by subject area will work much better in the long run, however. -- ssd 06:05, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I see several ways to make Category:stub smaller:
I don't think discontinuing the category would be helpful. Feel free to add to this list. Please comment if you think any of these would be a good idea, or if the status quo is good enough. -- ssd 17:49, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Check out the finnish stub article. It's this nice little light-grey box. We use those in all the messages, such as disambig and spoiler. -- Lussmu 17:15, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You can't make links like [[Category:Stub {{CURRENTDAYNAME}}]], there's a bug in MediaWiki which will cause link table corruption if you do. -- Tim Starling 07:21, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
I think stubs should be split up by category, that way the stubs are more organized and will make it easier to find stubs to fix. For example {{lang-stub}} for stubs on languages or {{auto-stub}} for automobiles. What do you think? There is already something like this for pokémon, see Template:poke-stub. Krik 23:53, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
...does not work properly for pages with spaces in the names. See Luca di Montezemolo: the search link does a google search for just "Luca" and the "di Montezemolo" gets stuck in front of the word "search." The source is this: "For instance, you might [http://www.google.com/search?&as_epq={{PAGENAME}} search] for material to add here." Is there a way to get {{PAGENAME}} to substitute underscores for spaces? Rdsmith4 16:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)