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Wow, there are a lot of spaceports! I've taken a few steps to make the template a bit smaller by eliminating some of the whitespace. Does it still look OK? Sdsds 00:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Made it simpler and smaller... no image, but more readable. Ricnun 09:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Nice improvement! Sdsds 09:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Made it smaller again. (Much! ;-)
| Africa | Italy -
ASI:
San Marco platform |  |
|---|---|---|
| Asia | China -
CNSA:
Jiuquan •
Taiyuan •
Xichang •
Wenchang ♦ India -
ISRO:
SDSC ♦ Israel -
ISA:
Palmachim ♦ Japan -
JAXA:
Tanegashima •
Uchinoura ♦ Kazakhstan -
RKA:
Baikonur • Pakistan -
SUPARCO:
Sonmiani • Russia -
RKA:
Dombarovskiy •
Kapustin Yar •
Plesetsk •
Svobodny •
Vostochny ♦ South Korea -
KARI:
Naro | |
| Europe | ||
| North America | Canada -
CAF,
CSA:
Fort Churchill ♦ USA -
NASA:
KSC •
Wallops ♦ USA -
DoD:
Cape Canaveral •
Vandenberg ♦ USA - Private:
Corn Ranch •
Kodiak Launch Complex •
Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport •
Mojave Airport & Spaceport •
Oklahoma Spaceport •
Spaceport America | |
| South America | ||
| Elsewhere | ||
It sure seems strange to me, but apparently French Guiana is a part of France, not a seperate country. Should this template be changed to reflect that oddity? Sdsds 09:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, It's part of France, see the wikipedia French Guiana article. Changed the template to reflect that. Ricnun 16:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Reading all of these articles in that line, every spaceport in that line is actually operated by a state or local government authority. Should this be changed to reflect that fact? -- AEMoreira042281 23:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a really good point. I think what "private spaceport" implies is a facility at which private spaceflight launches or landings are permitted. ( sdsds - talk) 18:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was no consensus. ( sdsds - talk) 21:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose to edit this template to shorten the names from e.g. "Baikonur Cosmodrome" to "Baikonur" and from "Kennedy Space Center" to "Kennedy", etc. There are two motivations for this:
- The terseness would be a good thing in an already large and ever-growing template.
- Spellings of some terms (e.g. "centre") can be controversial, whereas spellings of place names are slightly less so.
Before making the edit, maybe we should take a straw poll to get some sense of whether this change to the template would be at all controversial. ( sdsds - talk) 20:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- support - as proposer. ( sdsds - talk) 20:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose - In the case of "Kennedy", Kennedy what? JFK the man? the AIrport? the carrier? No need to be ambiguous here. Also,
Kennedy Space Center is its name. How can its name be controversial? That's like saying the surname "Johnston" is controversial because there are people named "Johnson", and some people might be confused. Nams are generally spelled one way only , especially in the case of an official name. -
BillCJ (
talk)
00:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. It will be obvious, because of the context. In the context of spaceports, it is obviously the launch site. --GW_Simulations
User Page |
Talk
08:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you should read WP:Obvious. Granted, the links will (or at least should) take one to the right article, but still, there are other things tht can be doen to make the template smaller, and these should be considered too. - BillCJ ( talk) 09:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. It will be obvious, because of the context. In the context of spaceports, it is obviously the launch site. --GW_Simulations
User Page |
Talk
08:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 08:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support, but grudgingly so. Making it terser is a good thing given the size of the template. BUT... the centre/center issue is a non-issue, as those words are an integral part of the place name and should never change regardless of whose version of English is being used.
Rhialto (
talk)
08:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - except for the ones where the place name is not in English, and the translation is open to interpretation, which is the case for about 90% of these (eg. Xichang will be called 西昌卫星发射中心 or Xīchāng Weìxīng Fāshè Zhōngxīn, by Chinese people, not Xichang Satellite Launch Centre or Xichang Satellite Launch Center). --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 11:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support. The template is currently quite long; shortening the names should compact it considerably.— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); 15:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Weak support: Since the template is labeled "Spaceports", shortening and abbreviating is OK. Kennedy Space Center could be shortened to Kennedy SC for example. - Fnlayson ( talk) 18:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Per BillCJ. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 22:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose The current ones are perfectly suitable names. They explain what the article is about. -- MoRsE ( talk) 22:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- I think there is much than can be done to make the template shorter without shortening the names. The image on the right seems to prevent the names from extending accross the template field properly, and other formatting tweaks can be done. The template needs to be in default-hidden mode so it's not too long all the time. Also, I don't like the new navbox-general format which puts the headings on the left, as this adds to making the template longer. However, a few editors imposed there preferneces on navbox formatting without consulting many of the editors who actually use them, and I'm not sure they would "allow" us to change the navbox formating here. - BillCJ ( talk) 00:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I propose altering this template to list only "active spaceports", which would be defined by something easily verifiable like, "A space launch has been conducted from the site within the last three years." Otherwise, we would need to add e.g. Hammaguir, since it was from there that France conducted its first satellite launch. Does a "three years" criterion sound about right? ( sdsds - talk) 23:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This template would be better if it included an image that was highly representational of spaceports, both as they exist now and as they will (soon?) exist in the future. I tried to find one that showed multiple launch vehicles, to hint at there being lots of launch activity. Maybe there's a better image, e.g. of "Missile Row" with multiple rockets at their pads? Or something else entirely? ( sdsds - talk) 05:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- I preferred it as it was, without the image. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 00:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest to delete Fort Churchill as a spaceport, as not one of its rockets ever reached space; all launches were sub-orbital. -- BatteryIncluded ( talk) 02:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The Greater Green River Intergalactic Spaceport does not belong in this template, as it was titled a "spaceport" for essentially marketing purposes. No spacecraft have taken off or landed at the site, nor is it licensed as a spaceport by the FAA.-- TDogg310 ( talk) 17:18, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Any reason not to include Woomera, South Australia? Goustien ( talk) 17:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- @ Goustien: I know it's been a couple years since you asked, but Woomera is included since 24 February 2016. — JFG talk 21:10, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Following my reverts of Sgsg today, I opened a discussion at Talk:Hainan Wenchang Spacecraft Launch Site. Editors, please contribute there. — JFG talk 21:08, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Should Poker Flat Research Range be added? It is an active range, with rockets reaching 1500 km apogees. D ralwi k| Have a Chat 20:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
| This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Spaceport template. |
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||
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Wow, there are a lot of spaceports! I've taken a few steps to make the template a bit smaller by eliminating some of the whitespace. Does it still look OK? Sdsds 00:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Made it simpler and smaller... no image, but more readable. Ricnun 09:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Nice improvement! Sdsds 09:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Made it smaller again. (Much! ;-)
| Africa | Italy -
ASI:
San Marco platform | |
|---|---|---|
| Asia | China -
CNSA:
Jiuquan •
Taiyuan •
Xichang •
Wenchang ♦ India -
ISRO:
SDSC ♦ Israel -
ISA:
Palmachim ♦ Japan -
JAXA:
Tanegashima •
Uchinoura ♦ Kazakhstan -
RKA:
Baikonur • Pakistan -
SUPARCO:
Sonmiani • Russia -
RKA:
Dombarovskiy •
Kapustin Yar •
Plesetsk •
Svobodny •
Vostochny ♦ South Korea -
KARI:
Naro | |
| Europe | ||
| North America | Canada -
CAF,
CSA:
Fort Churchill ♦ USA -
NASA:
KSC •
Wallops ♦ USA -
DoD:
Cape Canaveral •
Vandenberg ♦ USA - Private:
Corn Ranch •
Kodiak Launch Complex •
Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport •
Mojave Airport & Spaceport •
Oklahoma Spaceport •
Spaceport America | |
| South America | ||
| Elsewhere | ||
It sure seems strange to me, but apparently French Guiana is a part of France, not a seperate country. Should this template be changed to reflect that oddity? Sdsds 09:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, It's part of France, see the wikipedia French Guiana article. Changed the template to reflect that. Ricnun 16:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Reading all of these articles in that line, every spaceport in that line is actually operated by a state or local government authority. Should this be changed to reflect that fact? -- AEMoreira042281 23:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a really good point. I think what "private spaceport" implies is a facility at which private spaceflight launches or landings are permitted. ( sdsds - talk) 18:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was no consensus. ( sdsds - talk) 21:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose to edit this template to shorten the names from e.g. "Baikonur Cosmodrome" to "Baikonur" and from "Kennedy Space Center" to "Kennedy", etc. There are two motivations for this:
- The terseness would be a good thing in an already large and ever-growing template.
- Spellings of some terms (e.g. "centre") can be controversial, whereas spellings of place names are slightly less so.
Before making the edit, maybe we should take a straw poll to get some sense of whether this change to the template would be at all controversial. ( sdsds - talk) 20:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- support - as proposer. ( sdsds - talk) 20:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose - In the case of "Kennedy", Kennedy what? JFK the man? the AIrport? the carrier? No need to be ambiguous here. Also,
Kennedy Space Center is its name. How can its name be controversial? That's like saying the surname "Johnston" is controversial because there are people named "Johnson", and some people might be confused. Nams are generally spelled one way only , especially in the case of an official name. -
BillCJ (
talk)
00:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. It will be obvious, because of the context. In the context of spaceports, it is obviously the launch site. --GW_Simulations
User Page |
Talk
08:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you should read WP:Obvious. Granted, the links will (or at least should) take one to the right article, but still, there are other things tht can be doen to make the template smaller, and these should be considered too. - BillCJ ( talk) 09:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. It will be obvious, because of the context. In the context of spaceports, it is obviously the launch site. --GW_Simulations
User Page |
Talk
08:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 08:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support, but grudgingly so. Making it terser is a good thing given the size of the template. BUT... the centre/center issue is a non-issue, as those words are an integral part of the place name and should never change regardless of whose version of English is being used.
Rhialto (
talk)
08:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - except for the ones where the place name is not in English, and the translation is open to interpretation, which is the case for about 90% of these (eg. Xichang will be called 西昌卫星发射中心 or Xīchāng Weìxīng Fāshè Zhōngxīn, by Chinese people, not Xichang Satellite Launch Centre or Xichang Satellite Launch Center). --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 11:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support. The template is currently quite long; shortening the names should compact it considerably.— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); 15:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Weak support: Since the template is labeled "Spaceports", shortening and abbreviating is OK. Kennedy Space Center could be shortened to Kennedy SC for example. - Fnlayson ( talk) 18:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Per BillCJ. Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 22:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose The current ones are perfectly suitable names. They explain what the article is about. -- MoRsE ( talk) 22:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- I think there is much than can be done to make the template shorter without shortening the names. The image on the right seems to prevent the names from extending accross the template field properly, and other formatting tweaks can be done. The template needs to be in default-hidden mode so it's not too long all the time. Also, I don't like the new navbox-general format which puts the headings on the left, as this adds to making the template longer. However, a few editors imposed there preferneces on navbox formatting without consulting many of the editors who actually use them, and I'm not sure they would "allow" us to change the navbox formating here. - BillCJ ( talk) 00:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I propose altering this template to list only "active spaceports", which would be defined by something easily verifiable like, "A space launch has been conducted from the site within the last three years." Otherwise, we would need to add e.g. Hammaguir, since it was from there that France conducted its first satellite launch. Does a "three years" criterion sound about right? ( sdsds - talk) 23:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This template would be better if it included an image that was highly representational of spaceports, both as they exist now and as they will (soon?) exist in the future. I tried to find one that showed multiple launch vehicles, to hint at there being lots of launch activity. Maybe there's a better image, e.g. of "Missile Row" with multiple rockets at their pads? Or something else entirely? ( sdsds - talk) 05:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- I preferred it as it was, without the image. --GW_Simulations User Page | Talk 00:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest to delete Fort Churchill as a spaceport, as not one of its rockets ever reached space; all launches were sub-orbital. -- BatteryIncluded ( talk) 02:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The Greater Green River Intergalactic Spaceport does not belong in this template, as it was titled a "spaceport" for essentially marketing purposes. No spacecraft have taken off or landed at the site, nor is it licensed as a spaceport by the FAA.-- TDogg310 ( talk) 17:18, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Any reason not to include Woomera, South Australia? Goustien ( talk) 17:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
- @ Goustien: I know it's been a couple years since you asked, but Woomera is included since 24 February 2016. — JFG talk 21:10, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Following my reverts of Sgsg today, I opened a discussion at Talk:Hainan Wenchang Spacecraft Launch Site. Editors, please contribute there. — JFG talk 21:08, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Should Poker Flat Research Range be added? It is an active range, with rockets reaching 1500 km apogees. D ralwi k| Have a Chat 20:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)