I can understand removing the non-Sim games, but they should probably be on a list somewhere. Also, what's the difference between Other Sim Games and Sim Related Games? Oni Lukos (No, that's not my real name) c 28 June 2005 12:39 (UTC)
User:61.94.148.87 has made major changes to the Sim article without discussion. This is poor form. He has arbitrally decided that because a game doesn't use the "Sim" prefix, it is not a Sim game. I don't believe this is true and I have reverted the change. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) June 29, 2005 12:53 (UTC)
I've decided to rebuild the box under the grounds that the previous version of the box was not meeting up to expectations for a few reasons:
Widget Workshop was just added back to the list after I'd removed it previously. I got to thinking...what constitutes a Sim Related game? Obviously, something like Marble Drop (Oh...hmm...no article. *puts writing a Marble Drop article on a mental checklist of things to do, along with writing a Full Tilt! 2 Pinball article and a Maxis Man article) or Full Tilt! Pinball won't get on (unless you want to call FT!P a Pinball simulator, which blurs it even more), but seriously. Widget Workshop? What's THAT simulating?
Also, Sid Meier's SimGolf was removed because it isn't a Maxis game. While this does seem to be true, it was influenced by Will Wright and it DOES have the Sim name in it... ~ Oni Lukos c t 00:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Seeing as (at least) SimCity 64 and Sid Meier's SimGolf bear the Sim name but are not Maxis-created, perhaps there should be a section for these? ~ Oni Lukos c t 19:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of factual accuracy and the fact that this is an encylopedia and not a fan site, should we be including information that has not been confirmed by an actual source, say the developer or publisher? -- Crossmr 00:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I think only a handful of people will have heard of the parody Sim Brick. Is it notable enough for the box, and if so, where would it go? Spottedowl 12:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of factual accuracy and the fact that this is an encylopedia and not a fan site, should we be including information that has not been confirmed by an actual source, say the developer or publisher? -- Red Pooka 22:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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Oni Lukos, please add messages correctly! And the "Sim Related" usually means they have the prefix "Sim-" and are directly a type of Simulation game. Also with the "removing non-sim games" you stated, those ARE in-fact sim games, only they all have one source and do not describe ANYTHING about the games, merely the title and possible release date and so forth, thus making them canidates for deletion. :) -- Red Pooka 00:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I like the alignment that was just done by Alton, here [5]. We should strive to keep it that way. Its much more readable.-- Crossmr 00:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, ok, great great! ALTON .ıl 07:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that there is a lot of reverting being done related to the inclusion of a link to the SimCity 5 article. The reason being provided for the reverting is that the SimCity 5 game is very "distant". While I agree with that, I do not agree that this means there should be no link to the article. If the article is a crystal ball then that is separate issue. In my opinion as long as the article is not deleted and SimCity 5 is going to be a "Sims" game, I think it should remain in the template.
Camaron1 21:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I added the link to SimCity (series), just if readers want to read a summary of all the SimCity games/features. — JuWiki ( Talk <> Resources) 14:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a major restyle on the template, because I felt it looked better organized this way. Now there is a distinct overview on the different Maxis franchises. The only thing I can't work out, are the little edit, and discussion buttons on the top right of the template. Maybe someone can try to fix that? Hopefully you like the new look-- Jort227 20:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have reformatted this template so all versions of SimCity are included in the template in the order they were released - as shown by the article SimCity (series). Not all of those listed are Maxis made - but this template was changed a while back so versions can be included that are made by other developers. I notice that the location of the SimCity Societies link has been moved a lot. I have once again moved it back to under the SimCity heading for the following reasons: 1. The game has the title "SimCity" in it so it is not speculation to call it a SimCity game. 2. All evidence provided by EA suggest that this game is the next game in the SimCity series and although it is going in a direction, it is still a city building game. Camaron1 | Chris 10:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to start a edit war, but I have reverted an attempt by 209.244.42.97 ( talk · contribs) to move SCS out of the SimCity section for reasons stated above. The reasons provided for the move is that my earlier move was vandalism and is against evidence. I am little confused on how either is true. Camaron1 | Chris 09:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Sorry, Electronic Arts does not make the game, Maxis does. 3. You are the only user who constantly vandalizes the template and information regarding Sim City Societies. 209.244.42.97 21:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see any reference to it on here and so I added it to the box. I then noticed it in one of the strikethrough comments. I hope I did not move out of turn in adding it. Acronjsmith 21:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no evidence of such a game on EA's website. As such, it should not be listed here. SpinyMcSpleen 06:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, Monte Cristo is not EA; but as Monte Cristo's City Life (released) and Cities Unlimited (in development) are both city simulators, and have received a lot of interest from the SimCity community (especially in the light of Simcity Societies) - should they be added to the template - perhaps in the Sim-related section? I thought I'd canvass opinion before changing the template itself... Mittfh 20:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
SimCity Societies should really be under "Related" or "Other", for a few reasons-
Since it is quite obvious that everyone in this discussion is not going to change their opinion no matter what happens, (Much like various Atheist vs. Christian arguments) I would say we wait until the game actually comes out and then have a vote on whether or not the two games a really similar enough to call them part of the same series...-- 71.17.243.134 21:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that, since it came out between SimCity 3000 Unlimited and SimCity 4, it should be between them on the list. I'm changing it back for now. Knowitall ( talk) 23:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
At the 2008 DICE Summit, Electronic Arts CEO John Ricitiello stated, "It's probably the greatest creative risk maybe going on in the game industry today...I believe it's going to be one of the greatest franchises in our industry and will rival World of Warcraft or The Sims or Rock Band. It's going to be right up there." [1] JAF1970 ( talk) 15:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
right|thumb|150px|Spore was originally conceived as SimEverything, in this early poster. [2]
With the inclusion of the Theme Park series in the other grouping I think that El-Fish should also be considered seeing how it is a simulator published by Maxis. Also what about raid at bungeling bay, it should be considered as a related game since it directly influenced the creation of SimCity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.44.19 ( talk) 05:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Stop making wholesale edits without discussing it with everyone in the talk page. JAF1970 ( talk) 04:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Since the online game is now EA Land, and formerly The Sims Online, shouldn't the latter be the onw in parentheses? CatMan ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Ive proposed the merger. I just think there should be only one. Electrical Experiment 20:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Replace the project logo with the plain diamond (without the W). Or just don't have an image at all. -- 23230 talk 16:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
-- E E 16:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to start this article? SimAnimals. E3 revelation JAF1970 ( talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Spore should be split from the current template let it have it's own spore template. -- SkyWalker ( talk) 16:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
SimAnimals is a The Sims game - just without any humans in it. The animals develop as Sims do. JAF1970 ( talk) 16:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Somehow the text "SimIsle" in this template does not turn into normal text when I'm at the SimIsle page. It remain as a link unlike all the other Sim pages which they turn to text correspondingly with their own page. I couldn't figure out why it does that. Tavatar ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest a rename for the "Other Sim games" title to "Classic Sim games". Since all bar one of those games (SimAnimals, which I have honestly never heard of nor seen in real life) were developed and released in the 1990's, and since EA refers to these games as "EA Classics", should we not call them "Classic Sim games" rather than "Other Sim games"? The title "Other Sim games" suggests that the series title is open to use as a dumping ground for games which are in some kind of weird Sim grey area. These really aren't "Other Sim games" at all; they're games which Maxis experimented with and built on, and referring to them as "others" sounds much like we're just favouring the massive commercial success (The Sims/SimCity series) over those "lesser" games. Just a thought. I'm not about to rush in and edit it, since it's likely someone would cry vandalism, but I don't think that referring to certain games as "others" is setting a good precedent for future game templates. SMC ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
That area is kind of grey. Like way too grey in my opinion. Right now (at least for the next 47 seconds) Super Smash Bros. Brawl is considered a related article. The only reason why it's related is because Dr. Wright shows up. If anything, this is something that should be put on the SimCity article. If you take exception to Brawl, you might as well add Melee, The Drew Carey Show, and like 5 episodes of The Simpsons. (Sarcastic much? Sorry.) Beyond that though, I think it's even a stretch to put Ben Bell in the list. Looking at his article, he only qualifies as a related article because no one knows anything (or has researched anything) about him beyond his work on Sims 3. This is probably something I should take up with the uberWikians (philosophically, links to related articles encourage generalisation) but essentially I just wanted to say that I'm removing the link to Smash Bros. Have a nice day.
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I can understand removing the non-Sim games, but they should probably be on a list somewhere. Also, what's the difference between Other Sim Games and Sim Related Games? Oni Lukos (No, that's not my real name) c 28 June 2005 12:39 (UTC)
User:61.94.148.87 has made major changes to the Sim article without discussion. This is poor form. He has arbitrally decided that because a game doesn't use the "Sim" prefix, it is not a Sim game. I don't believe this is true and I have reverted the change. -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) June 29, 2005 12:53 (UTC)
I've decided to rebuild the box under the grounds that the previous version of the box was not meeting up to expectations for a few reasons:
Widget Workshop was just added back to the list after I'd removed it previously. I got to thinking...what constitutes a Sim Related game? Obviously, something like Marble Drop (Oh...hmm...no article. *puts writing a Marble Drop article on a mental checklist of things to do, along with writing a Full Tilt! 2 Pinball article and a Maxis Man article) or Full Tilt! Pinball won't get on (unless you want to call FT!P a Pinball simulator, which blurs it even more), but seriously. Widget Workshop? What's THAT simulating?
Also, Sid Meier's SimGolf was removed because it isn't a Maxis game. While this does seem to be true, it was influenced by Will Wright and it DOES have the Sim name in it... ~ Oni Lukos c t 00:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Seeing as (at least) SimCity 64 and Sid Meier's SimGolf bear the Sim name but are not Maxis-created, perhaps there should be a section for these? ~ Oni Lukos c t 19:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of factual accuracy and the fact that this is an encylopedia and not a fan site, should we be including information that has not been confirmed by an actual source, say the developer or publisher? -- Crossmr 00:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I think only a handful of people will have heard of the parody Sim Brick. Is it notable enough for the box, and if so, where would it go? Spottedowl 12:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of factual accuracy and the fact that this is an encylopedia and not a fan site, should we be including information that has not been confirmed by an actual source, say the developer or publisher? -- Red Pooka 22:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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Oni Lukos, please add messages correctly! And the "Sim Related" usually means they have the prefix "Sim-" and are directly a type of Simulation game. Also with the "removing non-sim games" you stated, those ARE in-fact sim games, only they all have one source and do not describe ANYTHING about the games, merely the title and possible release date and so forth, thus making them canidates for deletion. :) -- Red Pooka 00:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I like the alignment that was just done by Alton, here [5]. We should strive to keep it that way. Its much more readable.-- Crossmr 00:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, ok, great great! ALTON .ıl 07:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that there is a lot of reverting being done related to the inclusion of a link to the SimCity 5 article. The reason being provided for the reverting is that the SimCity 5 game is very "distant". While I agree with that, I do not agree that this means there should be no link to the article. If the article is a crystal ball then that is separate issue. In my opinion as long as the article is not deleted and SimCity 5 is going to be a "Sims" game, I think it should remain in the template.
Camaron1 21:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I added the link to SimCity (series), just if readers want to read a summary of all the SimCity games/features. — JuWiki ( Talk <> Resources) 14:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I did a major restyle on the template, because I felt it looked better organized this way. Now there is a distinct overview on the different Maxis franchises. The only thing I can't work out, are the little edit, and discussion buttons on the top right of the template. Maybe someone can try to fix that? Hopefully you like the new look-- Jort227 20:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have reformatted this template so all versions of SimCity are included in the template in the order they were released - as shown by the article SimCity (series). Not all of those listed are Maxis made - but this template was changed a while back so versions can be included that are made by other developers. I notice that the location of the SimCity Societies link has been moved a lot. I have once again moved it back to under the SimCity heading for the following reasons: 1. The game has the title "SimCity" in it so it is not speculation to call it a SimCity game. 2. All evidence provided by EA suggest that this game is the next game in the SimCity series and although it is going in a direction, it is still a city building game. Camaron1 | Chris 10:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to start a edit war, but I have reverted an attempt by 209.244.42.97 ( talk · contribs) to move SCS out of the SimCity section for reasons stated above. The reasons provided for the move is that my earlier move was vandalism and is against evidence. I am little confused on how either is true. Camaron1 | Chris 09:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Sorry, Electronic Arts does not make the game, Maxis does. 3. You are the only user who constantly vandalizes the template and information regarding Sim City Societies. 209.244.42.97 21:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see any reference to it on here and so I added it to the box. I then noticed it in one of the strikethrough comments. I hope I did not move out of turn in adding it. Acronjsmith 21:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no evidence of such a game on EA's website. As such, it should not be listed here. SpinyMcSpleen 06:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, Monte Cristo is not EA; but as Monte Cristo's City Life (released) and Cities Unlimited (in development) are both city simulators, and have received a lot of interest from the SimCity community (especially in the light of Simcity Societies) - should they be added to the template - perhaps in the Sim-related section? I thought I'd canvass opinion before changing the template itself... Mittfh 20:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
SimCity Societies should really be under "Related" or "Other", for a few reasons-
Since it is quite obvious that everyone in this discussion is not going to change their opinion no matter what happens, (Much like various Atheist vs. Christian arguments) I would say we wait until the game actually comes out and then have a vote on whether or not the two games a really similar enough to call them part of the same series...-- 71.17.243.134 21:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that, since it came out between SimCity 3000 Unlimited and SimCity 4, it should be between them on the list. I'm changing it back for now. Knowitall ( talk) 23:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
At the 2008 DICE Summit, Electronic Arts CEO John Ricitiello stated, "It's probably the greatest creative risk maybe going on in the game industry today...I believe it's going to be one of the greatest franchises in our industry and will rival World of Warcraft or The Sims or Rock Band. It's going to be right up there." [1] JAF1970 ( talk) 15:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
right|thumb|150px|Spore was originally conceived as SimEverything, in this early poster. [2]
With the inclusion of the Theme Park series in the other grouping I think that El-Fish should also be considered seeing how it is a simulator published by Maxis. Also what about raid at bungeling bay, it should be considered as a related game since it directly influenced the creation of SimCity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.44.19 ( talk) 05:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Stop making wholesale edits without discussing it with everyone in the talk page. JAF1970 ( talk) 04:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Since the online game is now EA Land, and formerly The Sims Online, shouldn't the latter be the onw in parentheses? CatMan ( talk) 20:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Ive proposed the merger. I just think there should be only one. Electrical Experiment 20:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Replace the project logo with the plain diamond (without the W). Or just don't have an image at all. -- 23230 talk 16:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
-- E E 16:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone want to start this article? SimAnimals. E3 revelation JAF1970 ( talk) 03:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Spore should be split from the current template let it have it's own spore template. -- SkyWalker ( talk) 16:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
SimAnimals is a The Sims game - just without any humans in it. The animals develop as Sims do. JAF1970 ( talk) 16:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Somehow the text "SimIsle" in this template does not turn into normal text when I'm at the SimIsle page. It remain as a link unlike all the other Sim pages which they turn to text correspondingly with their own page. I couldn't figure out why it does that. Tavatar ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest a rename for the "Other Sim games" title to "Classic Sim games". Since all bar one of those games (SimAnimals, which I have honestly never heard of nor seen in real life) were developed and released in the 1990's, and since EA refers to these games as "EA Classics", should we not call them "Classic Sim games" rather than "Other Sim games"? The title "Other Sim games" suggests that the series title is open to use as a dumping ground for games which are in some kind of weird Sim grey area. These really aren't "Other Sim games" at all; they're games which Maxis experimented with and built on, and referring to them as "others" sounds much like we're just favouring the massive commercial success (The Sims/SimCity series) over those "lesser" games. Just a thought. I'm not about to rush in and edit it, since it's likely someone would cry vandalism, but I don't think that referring to certain games as "others" is setting a good precedent for future game templates. SMC ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
That area is kind of grey. Like way too grey in my opinion. Right now (at least for the next 47 seconds) Super Smash Bros. Brawl is considered a related article. The only reason why it's related is because Dr. Wright shows up. If anything, this is something that should be put on the SimCity article. If you take exception to Brawl, you might as well add Melee, The Drew Carey Show, and like 5 episodes of The Simpsons. (Sarcastic much? Sorry.) Beyond that though, I think it's even a stretch to put Ben Bell in the list. Looking at his article, he only qualifies as a related article because no one knows anything (or has researched anything) about him beyond his work on Sims 3. This is probably something I should take up with the uberWikians (philosophically, links to related articles encourage generalisation) but essentially I just wanted to say that I'm removing the link to Smash Bros. Have a nice day.