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A new sandbox is testing an ondate parameter which will show text only on the given date. If ondate is not specified, the after parameter will be used on the given date, which should preserve current usage. If tests go well, ondate will be added to the live template. Dl2000 ( talk) 03:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
When inactive, it still take a space on page, is there any way to fix that? –
FreeRogue · · ·
Talk · · ·
13:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, it have bug only on wikia :( – FreeRogue · · · Talk · · · 08:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
This template trims leading spaces. This could be regarded as an error; at least it should be documented. This can be a nuisance when punctuation requires a space in one case but not the other, e.g. "[pens] and pencils" before, "[pens], pencils, and calculators" after. If the before and after strings are " and pencils" (note leading space) and ", pencils, and calculators", the leading space is trimmed off before: "pensand pencils".
This can be worked around, either by including more text in the strings, or with a non-breaking space (nbsp). But I would suggest either that the template be modified to use text strings exactly as entered, spaces and all; or that the documentation should mention this limitation and suggest workarounds. I don't myself want to edit either the template or its documentation. Pol098 ( talk) 16:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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Dl2000: I have updated the sandbox version
here to be aware of the current hour, and to support an optional hour=
parameter. This also fixes the issue that {{JULIANDATE}}
defaults to noon, not midnight, if no hour is specified. If there are no objections, I'll integrate this into the live template. It shouldn't break anything if hour=
isn't specified. --
Ahecht (
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17:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I am worried about the suggested (and probably real) use of this template: One of the examples is about a Mr. Smith having been elected to an office. Consider:
The reader will read this as that Mr. Smith indeed took office even though the election results had been rejected, which might very well be conterfactual.
(For a less dramatic example, the event might have been postponed because of a disaster or whatever. Somebody might check Wikipedia for whether he took office on the normal date, and gets the wrong answer.)
Can we ever say that something has happened, using a source from before that point in time? The template documentation says "'Mr. Smith took office on 1 January 2022' [is] normally citable to the results of the election". I think it is not.
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A new sandbox is testing an ondate parameter which will show text only on the given date. If ondate is not specified, the after parameter will be used on the given date, which should preserve current usage. If tests go well, ondate will be added to the live template. Dl2000 ( talk) 03:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
When inactive, it still take a space on page, is there any way to fix that? –
FreeRogue · · ·
Talk · · ·
13:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, it have bug only on wikia :( – FreeRogue · · · Talk · · · 08:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
This template trims leading spaces. This could be regarded as an error; at least it should be documented. This can be a nuisance when punctuation requires a space in one case but not the other, e.g. "[pens] and pencils" before, "[pens], pencils, and calculators" after. If the before and after strings are " and pencils" (note leading space) and ", pencils, and calculators", the leading space is trimmed off before: "pensand pencils".
This can be worked around, either by including more text in the strings, or with a non-breaking space (nbsp). But I would suggest either that the template be modified to use text strings exactly as entered, spaces and all; or that the documentation should mention this limitation and suggest workarounds. I don't myself want to edit either the template or its documentation. Pol098 ( talk) 16:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
@
Dl2000: I have updated the sandbox version
here to be aware of the current hour, and to support an optional hour=
parameter. This also fixes the issue that {{JULIANDATE}}
defaults to noon, not midnight, if no hour is specified. If there are no objections, I'll integrate this into the live template. It shouldn't break anything if hour=
isn't specified. --
Ahecht (
TALK
PAGE)
17:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I am worried about the suggested (and probably real) use of this template: One of the examples is about a Mr. Smith having been elected to an office. Consider:
The reader will read this as that Mr. Smith indeed took office even though the election results had been rejected, which might very well be conterfactual.
(For a less dramatic example, the event might have been postponed because of a disaster or whatever. Somebody might check Wikipedia for whether he took office on the normal date, and gets the wrong answer.)
Can we ever say that something has happened, using a source from before that point in time? The template documentation says "'Mr. Smith took office on 1 January 2022' [is] normally citable to the results of the election". I think it is not.