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This infobox may be too big; maybe it would be better to split into sexual orientation and homosexuality infoboxes. Rd232 22:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Errr ... transgender is not a sexual orientiation, and should not be there. However, a link to Homosexuality and transgender would be most appropriate, since that article discusses the problems with the terms "homo-" and "heterosexuality". I'd appreciate if somebody more familiar with the ideas behind this template would correct this - otherwise I will have to. Oh, and gender identity has also little, if anything to do with sexual orientation. Gender role is also not entirely unquestionable. And military service - uhm, yes, well, that is a USA topic, but I seriously doubt it is a mayor topic for sexual orientation in general. -- AlexR 01:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
The inclusion of "two-spirit" in the template seems odd; firstly because it is primarily/historically a term for "third gender" (and gender identity is not sexual orientation as per discussion above), and secondly because it a term specific to a small number of people in North America. If we want to include "third genders" why not put hijra, who easily number in the millions, or faafafine etc etc? The easy answer is just to remove this term from the list.
However, I want to complicate things a bit by suggesting that gender identity and sexual orientation are in fact strongly linked, and in many cultures, inseperable. Why, for instance, do we find the term "LGBT" (or LGBTI) so useful? As the page homosexuality and transgender notes, in Mangus Hirschfeld's late 19th century Germany, all who "violated heteronormative rules" were considered "third gender", and a similar group of people are now "queer" or LGBT. The re-defining of homosexuals as "normal" women who just happen to love women (and men who love men), and rejecting gender variance in the process, was for a few decades the orthodoxy of "gay lib", but it doesn't hold up for many parts of the world and many moments in history.
Which brings us back to the term " two-spirit" — according to the wikipedia article, it has been taken up by many contemporary Native American "gays, lesbians and bisexuals" as well as trans and intersex people. Think also of the Latin American "loca" (similar to western cultures' "queen") and travesti, both of whom have gender identities quite distinct from those in "the straight world". A loca commonly has a male body, dresses and acts "effeminately", refers to themself and other locas with a mix of feminine and masculine pronouns, is "passive" in sexual relations, and attracted to "real men". Are they gay and a bit trans? Where is the line between a loca and a travesti? What about their sexual partners who see themselves as real men/straight men and are also seen as real men/straight men by the wider community? Such an articifical seperation doesn't do justice to locas, or to the men they are with, who have to be inappropriately classified as "bisexual" or " MSM" in this taxonomy. Even in the US, according to historians like George Chauncey, the "queen" was the major figure in the "gay world" prior to WW2 before the straight-acting (read: gender normative) rough trade identity took off; such a sex-gender system is really widespread.
So while it is important to recognise the specific lives of transpeople in the western world and not subsume them under some broad "sexual orientation" banner, I don't want to entirely divorce gender variance from homosexuality (and marginalise transpeople in the process). The terms homo- and heterosexual have a gender identity "built in" anyway - you identify as the "same" or "different" gender to those you desire ("bisexual", on the other hand, doesn't presuppose a gender identity). The template also has "violence against LGBTs" under "attitudes to homosexuality", and if we are to strictly seperate gender identities from sexual orientation, we should remove the T - which (I'm sure we all agree) would be missing the point.
I don't have an easy solution other than perhaps renaming (or removing) the "attitudes to homosexuality" section, but I am very interested to read what others think, particularly Alex. ntennis 01:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I added autosexuality, since that seems as much a valid sexual orientation as asexuality and such. Blackcats 06:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to add Pederasty under the "general topics" header, as a pointer into what is turning out to be a rather large collection of articles on age-structured homosexuality. Is this a good location, or should it rather be placed under the Orientations category?
On a separate topic, both autosexuality and animal sexuality seem out of place here. The first is not an orientation, it is a sexual behavior engaged in by people of all orientations. The second has nothing to do with orientation, though presumably an article specifically on sexual orientation in animals might fit here. Haiduc 23:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
This template seems a little confused to me. I think it's great, but let's get the scope clear. " Sexual orientation" is defined on that page as relating to the sex(es)/gender(s) that a person is attracted to. In the case of homo and heterosexuality, this definition also depends on one's own gender identity. Unless we broaden the definition of sexual orientation, asexualilty and autosexuality don't fit, as Haiduc noted above, and we might want to add Gynophilia (Gynephilia) and Androphilia, which are at least as common as monosexuality. On the other hand, if we want to include non-gender specific orientations, then what about dominant, submissive and 'egalitarian' orientations? Shouldn't we also include a primary attraction to animals? What about non-primary orientations, fetishes, etc? Interesting but, I think, unwieldy.
The next section, "general topics", starts with biology, choice, environment, and demographics of sexual orientation. These topics fit well under the heading of sexual orientation. Then we move into the history of sex, gender role, gender identity, human sexuality, animal sexuality, and criticisms of sexual behaviour. These are, at best, related or background topics. As Alex pointed out above, a "gender identity" is not a sexual orientation. Nor, I might add, is sexual behaviour or sexual practice. Maybe these could be removed, or put in a "see also" section?
Then we have a whole section on "aspects of homosexuality", making homosexuality a privileged orientation in the template. Do we give other orientations a section too? Or just the "big three"? Further complicating the situation is that this homosexuality section is a kind of grab bag of gay, bisexual topics and transgender topics, with no guidelines for what should or shouldn't go in there. Finally, we have "religion and sexual orientation" - a nice fit for a "sexual orientation" template - and then six major religions and their relationship with "homosexuality".
It seems to me that there are two broad approaches to this confusion.
In the interest of provoking a discussion, I propose a variant on the second option: changing the name to "sexual orientation and gender identity". I believe that the two can't be seperated in many parts of the world, and wikipedia is (or should be) a global encyclopedia. I also prefer option 2 to 1 because 1 sort of ghettoises homosexuality and transgender, whereas 2 places all sexual orientations and genders on the same footing. ntennis 02:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've gone with option 2 above, following Rd232's suggestion above. Here is the stuff I removed; someone may like to make a "homosexuality" template from it. ntennis 04:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
History •
Gender role •
Gender identity
Human sexuality •
Animal sexuality
Aspects of homosexuality |
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Attitudes towards homosexuality |
Religion and homosexuality |
CORRECTION: I suggest naming the new template "Same-sex relations" since it is far more inclusive than "homosexuality". Haiduc 17:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Should pedophilia be given its own entry to the template, since it is a subset of paraphilia, or should they both be on the template? Beno1000 02:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
The difference is, this is not "Template:Paraphilias". It's "Template:Sexual orientation". So far as I'm aware, nobody has proposed and researched a sexual orientation called "BDSM". By contrast significant peer reviewed studies and researches have addressed that exact question with "zoosexuality" within the field of sexology, and concluded there is a sexual orientation of that type. FT2 ( Talk) 23:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Haiduc - it's not synonymous. FT2 ( Talk) 23:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
The template as it stands, applied to an article like animal sexuality, doesn't make good sense when that article is viewed. It looks odd, in that article. None the less, it is valid in the template, for people researching human sexuality. Would it make sense to rename the template "Sexuality" or "Human sexuality", since it is not all about "sexual orientation"? FT2 ( Talk) 15:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Please also see Fritz Klein MD Thank you CyntWorkStuff 18:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
FT2, please don't use deceptive edit summaries. You first added the link to zoosexuality on May 8. On May 9 it was removed by User:JayW. In a discussion (above) involving User:Beno1000, User:JayW and User:Haiduc, all of them expressed reservations or opposition to the inclusion of zoosexuality in the template. You reverted the removal on May 10, against consensus.
Then on June 16, User:128.192.81.11 also removed zoosexuality from this template (with the summary "beastiality is covered under paraphilia"). Today ( August 3, 7 weeks later), you added zoosexuality again, writing to this anonymous editor: "If it needs reopening or reconsideration, take to talk page rather than revert what is currently at least, consensus". Where is this consensus? So far, four users (not including myself) have opposed the inclusion of zoosexuality and given reasons. You are the only editor who has ever added this link or supported its inclusion. So, please heed your own advice: ""If it needs reopening or reconsideration, take to talk page rather than revert what is currently at least, consensus".
As for the inclusion of zoosexuality, I think at the very least we need to be consistent. It appears there are two definitions of "sexual orentation" at work here:
Most of the latter examples have been described as paraphilias, although personally I don't like the pathological tone of the term. However, they are also described, especially by those whose sexuality is orientated toward these practises, as sexual orientations. "BDSM, like hetero/bi/homosexuality, is a legitimate sexual orientation" [1] "Some individuals view BDSM as their sexual orientation, like heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality. Others view it as a chosen sexual practice. In either case it needs to be respected." [2]
And sometimes the legal system agrees — at least in Canada :) This page describes how Peter Hayes brought a complaint against the Vancouver Police Department alleging that a VPD officer had descriminated against him because he engages in BDSM. The City of Vancouver tried to have the case tossed by the Tribunal on the basis that the claim was without merit because BDSM is not a form of "sexual orientation" as defined by the B.C. Human Rights Code. The Tribunal rejected the City's contention. The City appealed to the B.C. Supreme Court and the Supreme Court Judge dismissed the City's application. So if a supreme court judge is willing to consider BDSM a sexual orientation, it has at least as much a place here as zoosexuality.
What the editors above have expressed is that there's a slippery slope at work here. A template is limited in size, and if a group of sexualities can be included under a term like paraphilia, it may be that we have to live with it. Unless anyone has another suggestion? ntennis 02:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't 'queer' listed as a sexual orientation? Bethgranter 17:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm moving asexuality to "common classifications" because a human can be only attracted to the opposite gender, the same gender, both genders, or no genders (although autosexuality may deserve a place there too...). If someone feels it shouldn't be there just move it back and post here. However, note this CNN article which sources New Scientist's article on asexuality, stating that it's comparable to percentage of homosexuals. -- AlexJohnc3 (talk) 03:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so how come "animal sexuality" follows this strange (hi, I donèt understand the) typology that begins with "masturbation" and ends with "necrophilia"? Very odd. Someone correct this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Topher1789 ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC).
I'm really not sure why such a small and specific article is on such an otherwise general template, so I've removed it. I think it goes much better on the Non-Human Animal Sexuality page where it's linked. Tiakalla 05:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
There may have already been a discussion on this, but might we consider adding Pansexuality to this template? -- Kukini 23:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Autosexuality is NOT a common sexual orientation... it belongs in the "Other classifcations" heading in the Sexual Orientation/Sexology box, not listed under the "Common classifications" heading. Autosexuality is a SUB-topical sexual orientation, most likely belonging under Asexuality - I'll let someone else do the research on that. I am a sexual creature and have no desire to research those who are not. According to the most recent sexuality research released from [ ABC News], [ CNN] and other media organizations, there are only FOUR major sexual orientations: Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual and Asexual, albeit they said that Asexuals only make up 1 to 1.5% of the general poulation. Knowing those figures, how can Autosexuality be considered as common? Also, many Asexuals still have sex with themselves, so would that not make them somewhat Autosexual? Again, if Asexuals, considered one of the four major sexual orientations, make up only one percent of the population, then Autosexuals would make up a small sliver-like component of that select group which is something I liken to an analogy of the earth's atmospheric elemental components... 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 1% Argon and then the rest is simply listed as 'other' gasses.
If you want to see unscientifically see just how common the term is... just type in any order "asexual sexual orientation" without quotes on a search engine. I did on Google and came up with 177,000 examples. Then, type in "autosexual sexual orientation" - again, in any order, not using quotation marks in the search window. On Google, I got 2,540 results or 0.01 of Asexual results. Shoot, I typed my first and last name (which is fairly uncommon) plus my city and state and produced way more results than that. That pretty much sums it all up and puts this sliver-group subtopical sexual orientation in its place, certainly not as a common classification. There are no sexuality textbooks or reference books, no published studies, no research statistics anywhere that classifies Autosexuality as a common sexual orientation. This is not in any way, shape or form meant to be an attack on someone who identifies as Autosexual, only that it does not belong in a major or common classification box on Wiki. It is generally accepted there are three or four major sexual orientation classifications, depending upon which research you adhere to, however, adding in other types as common, muddies the waters of sexuality and orientation of the LGBT community. My sexual orientation, bisexual (the 'B' in LGBT), using the same search criteria as above, produced 1,110,000 results, so that would mean Autosexual would have 0.00002 of that finding. Not so common, after all... is it? TednAZ 20:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Metrosexuality should be added. 67.87.236.82 21:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I move that Non-human animal sexual behavior be replaced with Homosexuality in animals, as some of us are trying to make the former into a general interest biology article (see the talk page there). Djcastel 16:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone has put all the various terms together. However, "gay" and "lesbian" are identity labels, questioning is more of a status and homo/hetero/auto/a/bi are classifications, as in scientifically and explicitly defined ones. They should be subdivided again.~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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This infobox may be too big; maybe it would be better to split into sexual orientation and homosexuality infoboxes. Rd232 22:51, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Errr ... transgender is not a sexual orientiation, and should not be there. However, a link to Homosexuality and transgender would be most appropriate, since that article discusses the problems with the terms "homo-" and "heterosexuality". I'd appreciate if somebody more familiar with the ideas behind this template would correct this - otherwise I will have to. Oh, and gender identity has also little, if anything to do with sexual orientation. Gender role is also not entirely unquestionable. And military service - uhm, yes, well, that is a USA topic, but I seriously doubt it is a mayor topic for sexual orientation in general. -- AlexR 01:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
The inclusion of "two-spirit" in the template seems odd; firstly because it is primarily/historically a term for "third gender" (and gender identity is not sexual orientation as per discussion above), and secondly because it a term specific to a small number of people in North America. If we want to include "third genders" why not put hijra, who easily number in the millions, or faafafine etc etc? The easy answer is just to remove this term from the list.
However, I want to complicate things a bit by suggesting that gender identity and sexual orientation are in fact strongly linked, and in many cultures, inseperable. Why, for instance, do we find the term "LGBT" (or LGBTI) so useful? As the page homosexuality and transgender notes, in Mangus Hirschfeld's late 19th century Germany, all who "violated heteronormative rules" were considered "third gender", and a similar group of people are now "queer" or LGBT. The re-defining of homosexuals as "normal" women who just happen to love women (and men who love men), and rejecting gender variance in the process, was for a few decades the orthodoxy of "gay lib", but it doesn't hold up for many parts of the world and many moments in history.
Which brings us back to the term " two-spirit" — according to the wikipedia article, it has been taken up by many contemporary Native American "gays, lesbians and bisexuals" as well as trans and intersex people. Think also of the Latin American "loca" (similar to western cultures' "queen") and travesti, both of whom have gender identities quite distinct from those in "the straight world". A loca commonly has a male body, dresses and acts "effeminately", refers to themself and other locas with a mix of feminine and masculine pronouns, is "passive" in sexual relations, and attracted to "real men". Are they gay and a bit trans? Where is the line between a loca and a travesti? What about their sexual partners who see themselves as real men/straight men and are also seen as real men/straight men by the wider community? Such an articifical seperation doesn't do justice to locas, or to the men they are with, who have to be inappropriately classified as "bisexual" or " MSM" in this taxonomy. Even in the US, according to historians like George Chauncey, the "queen" was the major figure in the "gay world" prior to WW2 before the straight-acting (read: gender normative) rough trade identity took off; such a sex-gender system is really widespread.
So while it is important to recognise the specific lives of transpeople in the western world and not subsume them under some broad "sexual orientation" banner, I don't want to entirely divorce gender variance from homosexuality (and marginalise transpeople in the process). The terms homo- and heterosexual have a gender identity "built in" anyway - you identify as the "same" or "different" gender to those you desire ("bisexual", on the other hand, doesn't presuppose a gender identity). The template also has "violence against LGBTs" under "attitudes to homosexuality", and if we are to strictly seperate gender identities from sexual orientation, we should remove the T - which (I'm sure we all agree) would be missing the point.
I don't have an easy solution other than perhaps renaming (or removing) the "attitudes to homosexuality" section, but I am very interested to read what others think, particularly Alex. ntennis 01:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I added autosexuality, since that seems as much a valid sexual orientation as asexuality and such. Blackcats 06:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to add Pederasty under the "general topics" header, as a pointer into what is turning out to be a rather large collection of articles on age-structured homosexuality. Is this a good location, or should it rather be placed under the Orientations category?
On a separate topic, both autosexuality and animal sexuality seem out of place here. The first is not an orientation, it is a sexual behavior engaged in by people of all orientations. The second has nothing to do with orientation, though presumably an article specifically on sexual orientation in animals might fit here. Haiduc 23:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
This template seems a little confused to me. I think it's great, but let's get the scope clear. " Sexual orientation" is defined on that page as relating to the sex(es)/gender(s) that a person is attracted to. In the case of homo and heterosexuality, this definition also depends on one's own gender identity. Unless we broaden the definition of sexual orientation, asexualilty and autosexuality don't fit, as Haiduc noted above, and we might want to add Gynophilia (Gynephilia) and Androphilia, which are at least as common as monosexuality. On the other hand, if we want to include non-gender specific orientations, then what about dominant, submissive and 'egalitarian' orientations? Shouldn't we also include a primary attraction to animals? What about non-primary orientations, fetishes, etc? Interesting but, I think, unwieldy.
The next section, "general topics", starts with biology, choice, environment, and demographics of sexual orientation. These topics fit well under the heading of sexual orientation. Then we move into the history of sex, gender role, gender identity, human sexuality, animal sexuality, and criticisms of sexual behaviour. These are, at best, related or background topics. As Alex pointed out above, a "gender identity" is not a sexual orientation. Nor, I might add, is sexual behaviour or sexual practice. Maybe these could be removed, or put in a "see also" section?
Then we have a whole section on "aspects of homosexuality", making homosexuality a privileged orientation in the template. Do we give other orientations a section too? Or just the "big three"? Further complicating the situation is that this homosexuality section is a kind of grab bag of gay, bisexual topics and transgender topics, with no guidelines for what should or shouldn't go in there. Finally, we have "religion and sexual orientation" - a nice fit for a "sexual orientation" template - and then six major religions and their relationship with "homosexuality".
It seems to me that there are two broad approaches to this confusion.
In the interest of provoking a discussion, I propose a variant on the second option: changing the name to "sexual orientation and gender identity". I believe that the two can't be seperated in many parts of the world, and wikipedia is (or should be) a global encyclopedia. I also prefer option 2 to 1 because 1 sort of ghettoises homosexuality and transgender, whereas 2 places all sexual orientations and genders on the same footing. ntennis 02:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've gone with option 2 above, following Rd232's suggestion above. Here is the stuff I removed; someone may like to make a "homosexuality" template from it. ntennis 04:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
History •
Gender role •
Gender identity
Human sexuality •
Animal sexuality
Aspects of homosexuality |
---|
Attitudes towards homosexuality |
Religion and homosexuality |
CORRECTION: I suggest naming the new template "Same-sex relations" since it is far more inclusive than "homosexuality". Haiduc 17:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Should pedophilia be given its own entry to the template, since it is a subset of paraphilia, or should they both be on the template? Beno1000 02:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
The difference is, this is not "Template:Paraphilias". It's "Template:Sexual orientation". So far as I'm aware, nobody has proposed and researched a sexual orientation called "BDSM". By contrast significant peer reviewed studies and researches have addressed that exact question with "zoosexuality" within the field of sexology, and concluded there is a sexual orientation of that type. FT2 ( Talk) 23:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Edit: Haiduc - it's not synonymous. FT2 ( Talk) 23:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
The template as it stands, applied to an article like animal sexuality, doesn't make good sense when that article is viewed. It looks odd, in that article. None the less, it is valid in the template, for people researching human sexuality. Would it make sense to rename the template "Sexuality" or "Human sexuality", since it is not all about "sexual orientation"? FT2 ( Talk) 15:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Please also see Fritz Klein MD Thank you CyntWorkStuff 18:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
FT2, please don't use deceptive edit summaries. You first added the link to zoosexuality on May 8. On May 9 it was removed by User:JayW. In a discussion (above) involving User:Beno1000, User:JayW and User:Haiduc, all of them expressed reservations or opposition to the inclusion of zoosexuality in the template. You reverted the removal on May 10, against consensus.
Then on June 16, User:128.192.81.11 also removed zoosexuality from this template (with the summary "beastiality is covered under paraphilia"). Today ( August 3, 7 weeks later), you added zoosexuality again, writing to this anonymous editor: "If it needs reopening or reconsideration, take to talk page rather than revert what is currently at least, consensus". Where is this consensus? So far, four users (not including myself) have opposed the inclusion of zoosexuality and given reasons. You are the only editor who has ever added this link or supported its inclusion. So, please heed your own advice: ""If it needs reopening or reconsideration, take to talk page rather than revert what is currently at least, consensus".
As for the inclusion of zoosexuality, I think at the very least we need to be consistent. It appears there are two definitions of "sexual orentation" at work here:
Most of the latter examples have been described as paraphilias, although personally I don't like the pathological tone of the term. However, they are also described, especially by those whose sexuality is orientated toward these practises, as sexual orientations. "BDSM, like hetero/bi/homosexuality, is a legitimate sexual orientation" [1] "Some individuals view BDSM as their sexual orientation, like heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality. Others view it as a chosen sexual practice. In either case it needs to be respected." [2]
And sometimes the legal system agrees — at least in Canada :) This page describes how Peter Hayes brought a complaint against the Vancouver Police Department alleging that a VPD officer had descriminated against him because he engages in BDSM. The City of Vancouver tried to have the case tossed by the Tribunal on the basis that the claim was without merit because BDSM is not a form of "sexual orientation" as defined by the B.C. Human Rights Code. The Tribunal rejected the City's contention. The City appealed to the B.C. Supreme Court and the Supreme Court Judge dismissed the City's application. So if a supreme court judge is willing to consider BDSM a sexual orientation, it has at least as much a place here as zoosexuality.
What the editors above have expressed is that there's a slippery slope at work here. A template is limited in size, and if a group of sexualities can be included under a term like paraphilia, it may be that we have to live with it. Unless anyone has another suggestion? ntennis 02:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't 'queer' listed as a sexual orientation? Bethgranter 17:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm moving asexuality to "common classifications" because a human can be only attracted to the opposite gender, the same gender, both genders, or no genders (although autosexuality may deserve a place there too...). If someone feels it shouldn't be there just move it back and post here. However, note this CNN article which sources New Scientist's article on asexuality, stating that it's comparable to percentage of homosexuals. -- AlexJohnc3 (talk) 03:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so how come "animal sexuality" follows this strange (hi, I donèt understand the) typology that begins with "masturbation" and ends with "necrophilia"? Very odd. Someone correct this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Topher1789 ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC).
I'm really not sure why such a small and specific article is on such an otherwise general template, so I've removed it. I think it goes much better on the Non-Human Animal Sexuality page where it's linked. Tiakalla 05:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
There may have already been a discussion on this, but might we consider adding Pansexuality to this template? -- Kukini 23:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Autosexuality is NOT a common sexual orientation... it belongs in the "Other classifcations" heading in the Sexual Orientation/Sexology box, not listed under the "Common classifications" heading. Autosexuality is a SUB-topical sexual orientation, most likely belonging under Asexuality - I'll let someone else do the research on that. I am a sexual creature and have no desire to research those who are not. According to the most recent sexuality research released from [ ABC News], [ CNN] and other media organizations, there are only FOUR major sexual orientations: Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual and Asexual, albeit they said that Asexuals only make up 1 to 1.5% of the general poulation. Knowing those figures, how can Autosexuality be considered as common? Also, many Asexuals still have sex with themselves, so would that not make them somewhat Autosexual? Again, if Asexuals, considered one of the four major sexual orientations, make up only one percent of the population, then Autosexuals would make up a small sliver-like component of that select group which is something I liken to an analogy of the earth's atmospheric elemental components... 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 1% Argon and then the rest is simply listed as 'other' gasses.
If you want to see unscientifically see just how common the term is... just type in any order "asexual sexual orientation" without quotes on a search engine. I did on Google and came up with 177,000 examples. Then, type in "autosexual sexual orientation" - again, in any order, not using quotation marks in the search window. On Google, I got 2,540 results or 0.01 of Asexual results. Shoot, I typed my first and last name (which is fairly uncommon) plus my city and state and produced way more results than that. That pretty much sums it all up and puts this sliver-group subtopical sexual orientation in its place, certainly not as a common classification. There are no sexuality textbooks or reference books, no published studies, no research statistics anywhere that classifies Autosexuality as a common sexual orientation. This is not in any way, shape or form meant to be an attack on someone who identifies as Autosexual, only that it does not belong in a major or common classification box on Wiki. It is generally accepted there are three or four major sexual orientation classifications, depending upon which research you adhere to, however, adding in other types as common, muddies the waters of sexuality and orientation of the LGBT community. My sexual orientation, bisexual (the 'B' in LGBT), using the same search criteria as above, produced 1,110,000 results, so that would mean Autosexual would have 0.00002 of that finding. Not so common, after all... is it? TednAZ 20:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Metrosexuality should be added. 67.87.236.82 21:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I move that Non-human animal sexual behavior be replaced with Homosexuality in animals, as some of us are trying to make the former into a general interest biology article (see the talk page there). Djcastel 16:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone has put all the various terms together. However, "gay" and "lesbian" are identity labels, questioning is more of a status and homo/hetero/auto/a/bi are classifications, as in scientifically and explicitly defined ones. They should be subdivided again.~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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