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Britain ain't the only region that uses the DD/MM/YYYY format. Just take a look at this baby! I'd propose changing "British format" to "Day first format" or "DMY Format" or something more elegant, if something more elegant could be conceived. However I doubt you'll come up with something more elegant, because I think I did a really, really good job of being elegant. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I think it might be wise for us to consider adding a palette of WCAG 2.0 AAA compatible bgcolor/text colors to the documentation towards the bottom, as we've been talking about around the project. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( non-admin closure) This discussion has been going on for too long with too little input. It is clear that, at this present time, no consensus can be reached due to the current nature of the discussion. -- Orduin Discuss 18:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Template:Series overview →
Template:Television series overview – Wikipedia has articles on lots of types of series (books, comics, motorbikes, cameras, etc.) This template is for television series. The shorter name will remain as a redirect. I moved it once, but was reverted, apparently because "Series overviews are listed under 'Series overview' in episode listing".
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
You appear to have a very narrow understanding of "maintenance"is not an appropriate answer. If Alex's post was a troll then so was yours. I'll ask you again, how does the title of a template affect maintenance? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:18, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
[t]he shorter name will remain as a redirect.If there's nothing broken, there's nothing to fix. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 05:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
{{
Television series overview}}
already exists as a redirect to {{
Series overview}}
, and if moved, the exact same will occur but in the other way. Using both templates produces the same result (as below - first with Series overview, second with Television series overview), and if moved, the exact same will occur.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 10:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
is overwhelmingly used for parks. That's really not surprising and I'm really not sure what that has to do with anything. Infobox garden actually existed as a separate entity for 3 years until this TfM in 2013 because people saw the difference between the two. We only merged the templates because they were almost identical, and IG was modified during the TfM. However, this discussion does not deal with merging at all and your argument that
there's hardly any difference between parks and gardensis almost exactly the opposite of the arguments being used to support a move. i.e. a park is almost a garden vs a book series overview is not a TV series overview. There are no other series overview templates that I am aware of. To use the examples provided by the nominator, {{ Book series overview}}, {{ Comic series overview}}, {{ Motorbike series overview}} and {{ Camera series overview}} don't exist so there seems no need to move this template at all as it's unlikely to be confused with another. In the absence of a naming convention for templates (if there is one that I couldn't find, please point me to it) there seems no justifiable reason to move it, the only reason seems to be personal preference. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
{{
Episode list}}
with {{
Book episode list}} so I don't see why they would be confused with this one. AlexTheWhovian has also recently created {{
Episode table}}, which the TV project is adopting so that we can ensure
WP:COLOR compliance in episode tables (whether or not they use {{
Episode list}}) so we have a string of consistently named episode list related templates. Making one inconsistent just doesn't seem a good idea. --
AussieLegend (
✉) 08:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)The shorter name will remain as a redirectand people who have come to this discussion have supported or opposed according to the nomination. Regardless of what happens, the move is still pointless. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 21:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I have move protected this template until tempers calm down a bit and people can agree on what the name should be. Be cool, people. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
As it stands, I would probably close the move request as "No consensus". I see convincing arguments on both sides, on the one hand it is good to have a specific and non-ambiguous name, on the other the status quo does not directly harm the reader. I feel it is better to leave the move protect in place and let the move request run for a little longer. Of course, any editor is free to challenge this and request an unprotection via WP:UNPROTECT. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Alakzi, AlexTheWhovian, AussieLegend, and Pigsonthewing: This has got to be the dumbest edit war I have ever seen: the four of you are fighting over the name of an obscure template that already has a redirect of the same name, and then you are deleting templated warnings from each other's user talk page -- seriously? When all four of you are blocked, expect to serve the block for the duration because I expect you will have a hard time finding a sympathetic administrator to unblock you. Just stop it. All of you. Please. [Posted contemporaneously to all four user talk pages.] Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Aside from the initial - and valid - rename request, my involvement has been to remind two editors (one of them not for the first time) that accusing good-faith editors of vandalism is not tolerated as a matter of policy:
"Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. Careful consideration may be required to differentiate between edits that are beneficial, detrimental but well-intentioned, and vandalizing. Mislabelling good-faith edits as vandalism can be considered harmful."
and to remove such allegations from another editor's talk page, with his approval, as egregious breaches of AGF, NPA and as trolling. I'm happy to defend my actions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
"keep the message text neutral". You were canvassing, and doing so in a highly non-neutral manner, and you should stop it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I can get a neutral and impartial admin to close the move request from WP:AN if people feel that's the best way forward. I would then urge everybody to respect whatever the result is. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the "please tone it down" message to all three of the parties of whom that was requested. It is super- WP:LAME to have an argument of such heat about such a trivial matter. It's clear that all three of you using sarcastic, belittling, or demanding tones is why that happened. (This is not a lecture; I do it, too, sometimes. Just an observation of the facts.) I'd appreciate being pinged if this RM is re-approached later, since I missed it the first time around, and would have applied a clear rationale to this case. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
The recent update to the template has updated the re-used code to {{ Series overview/row}}, so that we only need to make changes to one area that is applied to all rows. The "splitX" and "specialX_X" variables have also been changed to "extraX", as there's no point having two variables that are used for exactly the same thing (holding another template), hence the former two variables need to be changed on sight to the latter. Alex| The| Whovian 11:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
hence the former two variables need to be changed on sight to the latter" – no longer required, parameters have been updated with AWB for the ten cases that had old parameters. Alex| The| Whovian 14:29, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Wondering how to make an extra column with Network/Distributor information for a series that aired on multiple networks. An example is List of Arrested Development episodes, but I'm not sure how to do this with infoheader/info1A. Thanks. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
rowspan{{=}}5{{!}}[[BBC Two]]
- the templated versions of = and | are required here. info*B is then not set up for consequent seasons until the next network change, when the previous example is then repeated.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 18:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
|network1=ABC
and |network1length=5
provides a column that is 5 rowspan's high for ABC, and then repeat for subsequent numbers. Up to five should probably do, I've never seen a series that's been swapped that many times. Then we can check if "network1" is set, and if so, make "Originally aired" into a colspan of 3, instead of 2.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 20:15, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I had to abuse {{
Series overview/special}} on
List of Annedroids episodes to get the same start and end date colspanned for season 2. It isn't as simple as comparing |startX=
and |endX=
for equality because of the different metadata that {{
Start date}} and {{
End date}} generate. Maybe we could add a |releaseX=
to be used for the date when the whole season has a single release date?
(Also, on that topic, references to "airing" might need to be tweaked for shows like this which are primarily released online.) nyuszika7h ( talk) 09:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AlexTheWhovian: I'm trying to update List of Arrested Development episodes using this template, but I'm having trouble because the template needs to list multiple networks and one season that uses the released parameter. I don't think there's an example in the documentation for this. For season 4, when I use start for end4 to list the same date across both rows, it renders rowspan="1" | Netflix in the network4 parameter. I'm using a temporary fix which just lists the same date for both start4 and end4. If you need to see it for yourself, just remove the date from end4 and replace it with "start" to see the error. Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
This is a fictitious example (I was bored) and unlikely to happen, but it's still a bug – it seems the "Network" header is not shown and the "Originally aired" header is not spanned wide enough if the network changes during a split season.
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired | Network | |||
1 | 26 | 13 | September 6, 2011 | November 29, 2011 | ABC |
13 | March 6, 2012 | May 19, 2012 | XYZ |
– nyuszika7h ( talk) 22:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Now that this has been converted to a module and the syntax changed to be more flexible, would it be simpler to support split seasons with more than two parts, such as at List of Violetta episodes? – nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:30, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I noticed when I converted
Karadayı to use this template that it calls the seasons "Series", presumably based on the date format. But this is not an assumption you can make for non-English shows. It's a Turkish show, and the article uses the dmy date format because it was written that way. Nobody calls those seasons "series", so please re-add the option to manually change between "Season" and "Series". Perhaps |series=
would be a better name, because it's not UK-specific, also used for Australian shows, if I understood correctly. (You can use {{
yesno}} to easily handle "no" values to override the default as well.)
nyuszika7h (
talk) 11:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
|seriesT=
or |seasonT=
to custom text. I'm working on your above request as well, off-site.
Alex|The|Whovian
? 13:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)Small issue with the latest multi-series addition. The row header is applied to the series (correct) but also to the season number (incorrect). The season number should only be the row header for the non-multi series version. -- Gonnym ( talk) 12:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Britain ain't the only region that uses the DD/MM/YYYY format. Just take a look at this baby! I'd propose changing "British format" to "Day first format" or "DMY Format" or something more elegant, if something more elegant could be conceived. However I doubt you'll come up with something more elegant, because I think I did a really, really good job of being elegant. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I think it might be wise for us to consider adding a palette of WCAG 2.0 AAA compatible bgcolor/text colors to the documentation towards the bottom, as we've been talking about around the project. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 16:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( non-admin closure) This discussion has been going on for too long with too little input. It is clear that, at this present time, no consensus can be reached due to the current nature of the discussion. -- Orduin Discuss 18:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Template:Series overview →
Template:Television series overview – Wikipedia has articles on lots of types of series (books, comics, motorbikes, cameras, etc.) This template is for television series. The shorter name will remain as a redirect. I moved it once, but was reverted, apparently because "Series overviews are listed under 'Series overview' in episode listing".
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 14:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
You appear to have a very narrow understanding of "maintenance"is not an appropriate answer. If Alex's post was a troll then so was yours. I'll ask you again, how does the title of a template affect maintenance? -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 12:18, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
[t]he shorter name will remain as a redirect.If there's nothing broken, there's nothing to fix. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 05:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
{{
Television series overview}}
already exists as a redirect to {{
Series overview}}
, and if moved, the exact same will occur but in the other way. Using both templates produces the same result (as below - first with Series overview, second with Television series overview), and if moved, the exact same will occur.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 10:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired |
is overwhelmingly used for parks. That's really not surprising and I'm really not sure what that has to do with anything. Infobox garden actually existed as a separate entity for 3 years until this TfM in 2013 because people saw the difference between the two. We only merged the templates because they were almost identical, and IG was modified during the TfM. However, this discussion does not deal with merging at all and your argument that
there's hardly any difference between parks and gardensis almost exactly the opposite of the arguments being used to support a move. i.e. a park is almost a garden vs a book series overview is not a TV series overview. There are no other series overview templates that I am aware of. To use the examples provided by the nominator, {{ Book series overview}}, {{ Comic series overview}}, {{ Motorbike series overview}} and {{ Camera series overview}} don't exist so there seems no need to move this template at all as it's unlikely to be confused with another. In the absence of a naming convention for templates (if there is one that I couldn't find, please point me to it) there seems no justifiable reason to move it, the only reason seems to be personal preference. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
{{
Episode list}}
with {{
Book episode list}} so I don't see why they would be confused with this one. AlexTheWhovian has also recently created {{
Episode table}}, which the TV project is adopting so that we can ensure
WP:COLOR compliance in episode tables (whether or not they use {{
Episode list}}) so we have a string of consistently named episode list related templates. Making one inconsistent just doesn't seem a good idea. --
AussieLegend (
✉) 08:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)The shorter name will remain as a redirectand people who have come to this discussion have supported or opposed according to the nomination. Regardless of what happens, the move is still pointless. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 21:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I have move protected this template until tempers calm down a bit and people can agree on what the name should be. Be cool, people. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
As it stands, I would probably close the move request as "No consensus". I see convincing arguments on both sides, on the one hand it is good to have a specific and non-ambiguous name, on the other the status quo does not directly harm the reader. I feel it is better to leave the move protect in place and let the move request run for a little longer. Of course, any editor is free to challenge this and request an unprotection via WP:UNPROTECT. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Alakzi, AlexTheWhovian, AussieLegend, and Pigsonthewing: This has got to be the dumbest edit war I have ever seen: the four of you are fighting over the name of an obscure template that already has a redirect of the same name, and then you are deleting templated warnings from each other's user talk page -- seriously? When all four of you are blocked, expect to serve the block for the duration because I expect you will have a hard time finding a sympathetic administrator to unblock you. Just stop it. All of you. Please. [Posted contemporaneously to all four user talk pages.] Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Aside from the initial - and valid - rename request, my involvement has been to remind two editors (one of them not for the first time) that accusing good-faith editors of vandalism is not tolerated as a matter of policy:
"Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. Careful consideration may be required to differentiate between edits that are beneficial, detrimental but well-intentioned, and vandalizing. Mislabelling good-faith edits as vandalism can be considered harmful."
and to remove such allegations from another editor's talk page, with his approval, as egregious breaches of AGF, NPA and as trolling. I'm happy to defend my actions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
"keep the message text neutral". You were canvassing, and doing so in a highly non-neutral manner, and you should stop it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I can get a neutral and impartial admin to close the move request from WP:AN if people feel that's the best way forward. I would then urge everybody to respect whatever the result is. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the "please tone it down" message to all three of the parties of whom that was requested. It is super- WP:LAME to have an argument of such heat about such a trivial matter. It's clear that all three of you using sarcastic, belittling, or demanding tones is why that happened. (This is not a lecture; I do it, too, sometimes. Just an observation of the facts.) I'd appreciate being pinged if this RM is re-approached later, since I missed it the first time around, and would have applied a clear rationale to this case. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
The recent update to the template has updated the re-used code to {{ Series overview/row}}, so that we only need to make changes to one area that is applied to all rows. The "splitX" and "specialX_X" variables have also been changed to "extraX", as there's no point having two variables that are used for exactly the same thing (holding another template), hence the former two variables need to be changed on sight to the latter. Alex| The| Whovian 11:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
hence the former two variables need to be changed on sight to the latter" – no longer required, parameters have been updated with AWB for the ten cases that had old parameters. Alex| The| Whovian 14:29, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Wondering how to make an extra column with Network/Distributor information for a series that aired on multiple networks. An example is List of Arrested Development episodes, but I'm not sure how to do this with infoheader/info1A. Thanks. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
rowspan{{=}}5{{!}}[[BBC Two]]
- the templated versions of = and | are required here. info*B is then not set up for consequent seasons until the next network change, when the previous example is then repeated.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 18:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
|network1=ABC
and |network1length=5
provides a column that is 5 rowspan's high for ABC, and then repeat for subsequent numbers. Up to five should probably do, I've never seen a series that's been swapped that many times. Then we can check if "network1" is set, and if so, make "Originally aired" into a colspan of 3, instead of 2.
Alex|
The|
Whovian 20:15, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I had to abuse {{
Series overview/special}} on
List of Annedroids episodes to get the same start and end date colspanned for season 2. It isn't as simple as comparing |startX=
and |endX=
for equality because of the different metadata that {{
Start date}} and {{
End date}} generate. Maybe we could add a |releaseX=
to be used for the date when the whole season has a single release date?
(Also, on that topic, references to "airing" might need to be tweaked for shows like this which are primarily released online.) nyuszika7h ( talk) 09:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
@ AlexTheWhovian: I'm trying to update List of Arrested Development episodes using this template, but I'm having trouble because the template needs to list multiple networks and one season that uses the released parameter. I don't think there's an example in the documentation for this. For season 4, when I use start for end4 to list the same date across both rows, it renders rowspan="1" | Netflix in the network4 parameter. I'm using a temporary fix which just lists the same date for both start4 and end4. If you need to see it for yourself, just remove the date from end4 and replace it with "start" to see the error. Thanks. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
This is a fictitious example (I was bored) and unlikely to happen, but it's still a bug – it seems the "Network" header is not shown and the "Originally aired" header is not spanned wide enough if the network changes during a split season.
Season | Episodes | Originally aired | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|
First aired | Last aired | Network | |||
1 | 26 | 13 | September 6, 2011 | November 29, 2011 | ABC |
13 | March 6, 2012 | May 19, 2012 | XYZ |
– nyuszika7h ( talk) 22:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Now that this has been converted to a module and the syntax changed to be more flexible, would it be simpler to support split seasons with more than two parts, such as at List of Violetta episodes? – nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:30, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I noticed when I converted
Karadayı to use this template that it calls the seasons "Series", presumably based on the date format. But this is not an assumption you can make for non-English shows. It's a Turkish show, and the article uses the dmy date format because it was written that way. Nobody calls those seasons "series", so please re-add the option to manually change between "Season" and "Series". Perhaps |series=
would be a better name, because it's not UK-specific, also used for Australian shows, if I understood correctly. (You can use {{
yesno}} to easily handle "no" values to override the default as well.)
nyuszika7h (
talk) 11:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
|seriesT=
or |seasonT=
to custom text. I'm working on your above request as well, off-site.
Alex|The|Whovian
? 13:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)Small issue with the latest multi-series addition. The row header is applied to the series (correct) but also to the season number (incorrect). The season number should only be the row header for the non-multi series version. -- Gonnym ( talk) 12:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)