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I'm somewhat puzzled that apparently nobody else has thought to include this obvious piece of information that varies between writing systems - whether it's written left to right, right to left, top to bottom or in some other direction.
That said, I wonder how it should be notated. Should we just write "Right to left" or whatever, or use abbreviations like LRTB, RLTB, TBLR to denote both direction of characters and direction of lines? (I'm sure these have been used on WP somewhere, but next to nothing is showing up in searches at the moment.) Of course, the parameter needn't always be one of these by itself - we could have such things as "Traditionally TBRL, nowadays usually LRTB" for Chinese characters.
What do people think? Moreover, where can we put an explanation of BTRL, etc. if we're going to use these?
Or maybe we could just create the parameter now, and try later to standardise the notation of it. I'm not sure.... -- Smjg ( talk) 22:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
The Unicode Standard actually has some compact, intuitive graphics for describing writing direction. I'll see if I can adapt those to the infobox format. Vanisaac ( talk) 22:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Here they are!
Now we just need to find a place to put them. Scaled down images:
Vanisaac (
talk)
I'm going to make up a text direction template that makes use of these images. We can then make a direction field in the writing systems infobox to call the template if we want. Please comment on the text direction template here, or at WikiProject Writing Systems. Vanisaac Vanisaac ( talk) 06:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
This table lists the proposed codes for directions and the template name. The proposed directional codes are in the form of "character direction"-"line direction", L=left, R=right, T=top, B=bottom, Ck=clockwise, WS=withershins, H=variable horizontal, and V=variable vertical, with Unicode Bidi terms and default interpretations (like "vertical" for TB–RL) also supported. Right now, the template is in my private space, so the name can change when it is moved into the template space, so I'm looking for suggestions on the template name. Please sign your ideas (if you abbreviate, stick it at the bottom of the table) or add your name to any ideas you like. You can also comment on the proposed and requested codes in the fourth column. Vanisaac ( talk)
Graphic | Proposed codes | Requested codes | Comments |
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Template Name | TextDir | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LR–TB, LTR, left-to-right |
VI: Western VI:L–T Idea 3: L2R Idea 4: rightwards |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LRL–TB | Idea 1: VI:LR–T Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RL–TB, RTL, right-to-left |
VI: Semitic VI:R–T Idea 3: R2L Idea 4: leftwards |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RLR–TB, boustrophedon |
Idea 1: VI:RL–T Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LR–BT | Idea 1: VI:L–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LRL–BT | Idea 1: VI:LR–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RL–BT | Idea 1: VI:R–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RLR–BT | Idea 1: VI:RL–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TB–RL, vertical |
VI: Chinese VI:T–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TBT–RL | VI: Ithkuil VI:TB–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TB–LR | Idea 1: Mongolian VI:T–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TBT–LR | Idea 1: VI:TB–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BT–RL | Idea 1: VI:B–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTB–RL | Idea 1: VI:BT–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BT–LR | Idea 1: VI:B–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTB–LR | Idea 1: VI:BT–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | Ck-In | VI:Phaistos Idea 2: SG: CW-in |
Comments: ClockWise |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | Ck-Out | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: CW-out |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | WS-In | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: AC-in SG: CC-in |
Comments: AntiClockwise, CounterClockwise |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | WS-Out | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: AC-out SG: CC-out |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | H-TB | VI:Hieroglyphic Idea 2: horizontal Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | H-BT | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | V-RL | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | V-LR | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTRB | VI: Ogham VI:BLT Idea 3: |
Comments: |
I'm thinking the template should tag a page with a text direction category. I was thinking something along the lines of:
category:Left to Right writing systems (LR-xx)
category:Right to Left writing systems (RL-xx)
category:Vertical writing systems (TB-xx, and BT-xx)
category:Scripts written Bottom to Top (xx-BT and BT-xx)
category:Unlined writing systems (Ck-xx, WS-xx, and BTRB)
category:Boustrophedon writing systems (LRL-xx, RLR-xx, BTB-xx, and TBT-xx)
category:Variable direction writing systems (H-xx, and V-xx)
where "xx" indicates any value. Note that some writing systems (eg LR-BT) can be members of two categories, and a single script may have different modes for modern and historical or traditional writing directions.
What do we think? Should this be automatically done, or do the categories not make sense? VI WS talk 06:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I have moved the TextDir template into the template namespace.
Arriving late, but maybe I can add something.
{{
direction}}
or {{
directionality}}
. Both words are used for this aspect of writing already in CSS and Unicode.
Bidi is used too, but is too Unicode specific. (to be researched: are such codes also used for the flow of pictures & boxes on a browser page? At Mediwiki I found such an example. To be included/excluded here?){{
direction}}
is still available, so a better use would be a future problem (then solvable). But now I get your love for thes meshed up letters in your signing name here. I bet is looks the same as in your passport of that state with no flag. How is literature there? Dante cramped on a stamp only in abbreviations? -
DePiep (
talk) 17:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
{{
Write text with direction|text=Chicago|direction=TB}}
→ (see picture...). As a detail: as a technician I'd prefer the L-R aspect in the first abbrev, and the T-B direction in a second - even when combined in one string "LTR-TB" - have to take a good look at the existing ones). Also, exotics like Boustrophedon or counterclockwise or "on a sphere" could be covered.
I think these points could make the template more general useful, and adhering to existing standards. - DePiep ( talk) 16:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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Archived from Template talk:Infobox writing system
I'm somewhat puzzled that apparently nobody else has thought to include this obvious piece of information that varies between writing systems - whether it's written left to right, right to left, top to bottom or in some other direction.
That said, I wonder how it should be notated. Should we just write "Right to left" or whatever, or use abbreviations like LRTB, RLTB, TBLR to denote both direction of characters and direction of lines? (I'm sure these have been used on WP somewhere, but next to nothing is showing up in searches at the moment.) Of course, the parameter needn't always be one of these by itself - we could have such things as "Traditionally TBRL, nowadays usually LRTB" for Chinese characters.
What do people think? Moreover, where can we put an explanation of BTRL, etc. if we're going to use these?
Or maybe we could just create the parameter now, and try later to standardise the notation of it. I'm not sure.... -- Smjg ( talk) 22:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
The Unicode Standard actually has some compact, intuitive graphics for describing writing direction. I'll see if I can adapt those to the infobox format. Vanisaac ( talk) 22:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Here they are!
Now we just need to find a place to put them. Scaled down images:
Vanisaac (
talk)
I'm going to make up a text direction template that makes use of these images. We can then make a direction field in the writing systems infobox to call the template if we want. Please comment on the text direction template here, or at WikiProject Writing Systems. Vanisaac Vanisaac ( talk) 06:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
This table lists the proposed codes for directions and the template name. The proposed directional codes are in the form of "character direction"-"line direction", L=left, R=right, T=top, B=bottom, Ck=clockwise, WS=withershins, H=variable horizontal, and V=variable vertical, with Unicode Bidi terms and default interpretations (like "vertical" for TB–RL) also supported. Right now, the template is in my private space, so the name can change when it is moved into the template space, so I'm looking for suggestions on the template name. Please sign your ideas (if you abbreviate, stick it at the bottom of the table) or add your name to any ideas you like. You can also comment on the proposed and requested codes in the fourth column. Vanisaac ( talk)
Graphic | Proposed codes | Requested codes | Comments |
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Template Name | TextDir | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LR–TB, LTR, left-to-right |
VI: Western VI:L–T Idea 3: L2R Idea 4: rightwards |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LRL–TB | Idea 1: VI:LR–T Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RL–TB, RTL, right-to-left |
VI: Semitic VI:R–T Idea 3: R2L Idea 4: leftwards |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RLR–TB, boustrophedon |
Idea 1: VI:RL–T Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LR–BT | Idea 1: VI:L–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | LRL–BT | Idea 1: VI:LR–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RL–BT | Idea 1: VI:R–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | RLR–BT | Idea 1: VI:RL–B Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TB–RL, vertical |
VI: Chinese VI:T–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TBT–RL | VI: Ithkuil VI:TB–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TB–LR | Idea 1: Mongolian VI:T–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | TBT–LR | Idea 1: VI:TB–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BT–RL | Idea 1: VI:B–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTB–RL | Idea 1: VI:BT–R Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BT–LR | Idea 1: VI:B–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTB–LR | Idea 1: VI:BT–L Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | Ck-In | VI:Phaistos Idea 2: SG: CW-in |
Comments: ClockWise |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | Ck-Out | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: CW-out |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | WS-In | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: AC-in SG: CC-in |
Comments: AntiClockwise, CounterClockwise |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | WS-Out | Idea 1: Idea 2: SG: AC-out SG: CC-out |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | H-TB | VI:Hieroglyphic Idea 2: horizontal Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | H-BT | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | V-RL | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | V-LR | Idea 1: Idea 2: Idea 3: |
Comments: |
User:Vanisaac/template/TextDir | BTRB | VI: Ogham VI:BLT Idea 3: |
Comments: |
I'm thinking the template should tag a page with a text direction category. I was thinking something along the lines of:
category:Left to Right writing systems (LR-xx)
category:Right to Left writing systems (RL-xx)
category:Vertical writing systems (TB-xx, and BT-xx)
category:Scripts written Bottom to Top (xx-BT and BT-xx)
category:Unlined writing systems (Ck-xx, WS-xx, and BTRB)
category:Boustrophedon writing systems (LRL-xx, RLR-xx, BTB-xx, and TBT-xx)
category:Variable direction writing systems (H-xx, and V-xx)
where "xx" indicates any value. Note that some writing systems (eg LR-BT) can be members of two categories, and a single script may have different modes for modern and historical or traditional writing directions.
What do we think? Should this be automatically done, or do the categories not make sense? VI WS talk 06:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I have moved the TextDir template into the template namespace.
Arriving late, but maybe I can add something.
{{
direction}}
or {{
directionality}}
. Both words are used for this aspect of writing already in CSS and Unicode.
Bidi is used too, but is too Unicode specific. (to be researched: are such codes also used for the flow of pictures & boxes on a browser page? At Mediwiki I found such an example. To be included/excluded here?){{
direction}}
is still available, so a better use would be a future problem (then solvable). But now I get your love for thes meshed up letters in your signing name here. I bet is looks the same as in your passport of that state with no flag. How is literature there? Dante cramped on a stamp only in abbreviations? -
DePiep (
talk) 17:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
{{
Write text with direction|text=Chicago|direction=TB}}
→ (see picture...). As a detail: as a technician I'd prefer the L-R aspect in the first abbrev, and the T-B direction in a second - even when combined in one string "LTR-TB" - have to take a good look at the existing ones). Also, exotics like Boustrophedon or counterclockwise or "on a sphere" could be covered.
I think these points could make the template more general useful, and adhering to existing standards. - DePiep ( talk) 16:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)