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This template is protected, and should be tagged with {{ protected template}}, or another suitable protection template. Thanks – Qxz 19:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add gh is for Ghana to this template?-- Natsubee 11:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} I have created a documentation page for this template at Template:S-prec/doc. Most protected templates have their documentation transcluded in this manner so that it may be edited by non-admins. The updated template code to do this can be copied from Template:S-prec/sandbox. -- Zyxw 22:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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It looks like we finally have the solution to the open parameter problem. Please replace:
{{#switch:{{{1}}}
|#default=Order of precedence
with:
{{#switch:{{{1}}}
|#default=Order of precedence
This will default all open open parameters to the default. Thank you!
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y
land (
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00:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Canadian precedence boxes have started appearing D B D 17:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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Someone appears to have gone around adding the order of precedent for U.S. Senators to their pages. The problem: it says order of precedence in the United States of America, which is not the same thing. Can this be remedied with an "ussen" parameter? Thanks. Foofighter20x ( talk) 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Suggest the |uk suffix be abolished. As the article on the order of precedence in the United Kingdom says, this is different in England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, so to lump them all together results in errors like those at Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford. Opera hat ( talk) 22:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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The title when the usa parameter is used is misleading. There is an Order of Precedence of the United States (called the United States Order of Precedence or United States Order of Precedence List), which is the source of much of the information displayed, but the concept Order of precedence in the United States has broader implications and ignores the co-equal nature of the three branches of the federal government as well as the independence of the state governments. Please change:
|usa=[[Order of precedence in the United States of America]]
to read:
|usa=[[Order of Precedence of the United States of America]]
That will make this accurate for the uses around
United States order of precedence and I'll raise adding another succession header for the
United States presidential line of succession with the folks over at WikiProject Succession Box Standardization. Thanks,
Celestra (
talk)
20:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for the previous change! I received a suggestion from
user:bazj over at WikiProject Succession Box Standardization to just add another parameter to this template. That seems like a simple solution to me, as well. If it doesn't seem unreasonable, could you please add:
|us-pres=[[United States presidential line of succession]]
below the line which reads:
|usa=[[Order of Precedence of the United States of America]]
Thanks,
Celestra (
talk)
15:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone add
|ni=[[Order of precedence in Northern Ireland]]
To this template? Thanks. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Does it make sense to use {{ S-prec}} for non-political uses such as a song's listings the charts on which it reached number one? (see Tik Tok (song)#Chart precession as an example) -- Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars ( talk) 02:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please revert colour removal change for which consensus was neither sought or reached at the project's talk page. Bazj ( talk) 12:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please move colour to top border as per WT:SBS discussion. Change
to
Thanks. Bazj ( talk) 14:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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Having encountered the "order of preference" template for the first time and then found that it's a ceremonial ordering only, I think it would be clearer to make "United States order of precedence (ceremonial)" the complete title for the US template at least. The "inside the state/outside the state" tiering, along with mixed federal and other-state officials, for the governor I was working on ( Mitch Daniels), was really rather a confusing introduction to a concept. There was no context, signal or clarity as to its relation, in the Daniels' case, particularly to his subsequent non-government job. For me, the parenthetical qualifier would start the clarification process within the title rather than forcing an immediate link-click. Saying it is ceremonial (as the related article does straightaway) would allow a more casual approach to what is, after all, a fairly minor element which is being given quite a bit of space.
I am a little reluctant to propose a US-only change but it's all I'm attuned to. Thanks. Swliv ( talk) 01:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Support: This does a better job of clarifying the nature of the US Order of Precedence than the change I requested and received four years ago. Back then there were some editors who kept removing "foreign monarchs" from the list because they took the order to have some official meaning, but nothing like that has occurred for years. Some might argue that the parenthetical qualifier isn't needed, but I think the requester's experience is not unusual and many readers may be left with the wrong impression. Regards, Celestra ( talk) 20:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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Those points having been made, I'd say semi-protection – limited to editors of some seasoning; "ripe"ness a term I see in the VPump exchange, applicable I think also here – would maybe be sufficient on this template page. Full protection could always be brought back if vandals descended again.
Thanks again. Swliv ( talk) 18:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The template being fully protected, I'm seeking consensus for three changes relating to the United States.
Firstly, I suggest that "us" be added as a parameter as an alternative to "usa". This would be in line with the other parameters which appear to use ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes.
Secondly, I propose that "(ceremonial)" be removed from the US header as an order of precedence is by its very nature ceremonial.
Lastly, given that this template is intended for orders of precedence, not lines of succession, I propose that the "us-pres" parameter be removed. My understanding is that {{ s-other|line}} is normally used for lines of succession. Graham ( talk) 22:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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Having heard no response, I'll request that the template be edited accordingly. Graham ( talk) 22:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
For the sake of brevity and consistency with other United States succession boxes, I've changed the pipe link for the USA boxes to "U.S." instead of "United States." What do you think?— GoldRingChip 20:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
These boxes do not reflect chronological order. They are for current order, so I've added "Current" to the beginning of the USA succession boxes' piped links. I'm more familiar with the USA boxes, so I only changed those. If you want we can change all of them; or we can change back the USA ones. What do you think?— GoldRingChip 20:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:S-prec is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||
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This template is protected, and should be tagged with {{ protected template}}, or another suitable protection template. Thanks – Qxz 19:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add gh is for Ghana to this template?-- Natsubee 11:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} I have created a documentation page for this template at Template:S-prec/doc. Most protected templates have their documentation transcluded in this manner so that it may be edited by non-admins. The updated template code to do this can be copied from Template:S-prec/sandbox. -- Zyxw 22:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
It looks like we finally have the solution to the open parameter problem. Please replace:
{{#switch:{{{1}}}
|#default=Order of precedence
with:
{{#switch:{{{1}}}
|#default=Order of precedence
This will default all open open parameters to the default. Thank you!
–
Whale
y
land (
Talk •
Contributions )
00:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Canadian precedence boxes have started appearing D B D 17:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
Someone appears to have gone around adding the order of precedent for U.S. Senators to their pages. The problem: it says order of precedence in the United States of America, which is not the same thing. Can this be remedied with an "ussen" parameter? Thanks. Foofighter20x ( talk) 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Suggest the |uk suffix be abolished. As the article on the order of precedence in the United Kingdom says, this is different in England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, so to lump them all together results in errors like those at Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford. Opera hat ( talk) 22:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
The title when the usa parameter is used is misleading. There is an Order of Precedence of the United States (called the United States Order of Precedence or United States Order of Precedence List), which is the source of much of the information displayed, but the concept Order of precedence in the United States has broader implications and ignores the co-equal nature of the three branches of the federal government as well as the independence of the state governments. Please change:
|usa=[[Order of precedence in the United States of America]]
to read:
|usa=[[Order of Precedence of the United States of America]]
That will make this accurate for the uses around
United States order of precedence and I'll raise adding another succession header for the
United States presidential line of succession with the folks over at WikiProject Succession Box Standardization. Thanks,
Celestra (
talk)
20:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Thanks for the previous change! I received a suggestion from
user:bazj over at WikiProject Succession Box Standardization to just add another parameter to this template. That seems like a simple solution to me, as well. If it doesn't seem unreasonable, could you please add:
|us-pres=[[United States presidential line of succession]]
below the line which reads:
|usa=[[Order of Precedence of the United States of America]]
Thanks,
Celestra (
talk)
15:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone add
|ni=[[Order of precedence in Northern Ireland]]
To this template? Thanks. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Does it make sense to use {{ S-prec}} for non-political uses such as a song's listings the charts on which it reached number one? (see Tik Tok (song)#Chart precession as an example) -- Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars ( talk) 02:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please revert colour removal change for which consensus was neither sought or reached at the project's talk page. Bazj ( talk) 12:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please move colour to top border as per WT:SBS discussion. Change
to
Thanks. Bazj ( talk) 14:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Having encountered the "order of preference" template for the first time and then found that it's a ceremonial ordering only, I think it would be clearer to make "United States order of precedence (ceremonial)" the complete title for the US template at least. The "inside the state/outside the state" tiering, along with mixed federal and other-state officials, for the governor I was working on ( Mitch Daniels), was really rather a confusing introduction to a concept. There was no context, signal or clarity as to its relation, in the Daniels' case, particularly to his subsequent non-government job. For me, the parenthetical qualifier would start the clarification process within the title rather than forcing an immediate link-click. Saying it is ceremonial (as the related article does straightaway) would allow a more casual approach to what is, after all, a fairly minor element which is being given quite a bit of space.
I am a little reluctant to propose a US-only change but it's all I'm attuned to. Thanks. Swliv ( talk) 01:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Support: This does a better job of clarifying the nature of the US Order of Precedence than the change I requested and received four years ago. Back then there were some editors who kept removing "foreign monarchs" from the list because they took the order to have some official meaning, but nothing like that has occurred for years. Some might argue that the parenthetical qualifier isn't needed, but I think the requester's experience is not unusual and many readers may be left with the wrong impression. Regards, Celestra ( talk) 20:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Those points having been made, I'd say semi-protection – limited to editors of some seasoning; "ripe"ness a term I see in the VPump exchange, applicable I think also here – would maybe be sufficient on this template page. Full protection could always be brought back if vandals descended again.
Thanks again. Swliv ( talk) 18:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The template being fully protected, I'm seeking consensus for three changes relating to the United States.
Firstly, I suggest that "us" be added as a parameter as an alternative to "usa". This would be in line with the other parameters which appear to use ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes.
Secondly, I propose that "(ceremonial)" be removed from the US header as an order of precedence is by its very nature ceremonial.
Lastly, given that this template is intended for orders of precedence, not lines of succession, I propose that the "us-pres" parameter be removed. My understanding is that {{ s-other|line}} is normally used for lines of succession. Graham ( talk) 22:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Having heard no response, I'll request that the template be edited accordingly. Graham ( talk) 22:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
For the sake of brevity and consistency with other United States succession boxes, I've changed the pipe link for the USA boxes to "U.S." instead of "United States." What do you think?— GoldRingChip 20:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
These boxes do not reflect chronological order. They are for current order, so I've added "Current" to the beginning of the USA succession boxes' piped links. I'm more familiar with the USA boxes, so I only changed those. If you want we can change all of them; or we can change back the USA ones. What do you think?— GoldRingChip 20:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)