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I replaced Yuyan with Pujie as pretender. Pujie was the brother of the last emperor and a public figure in China. He was covered as a pretender by The New York Times and numerous other RS. The Yuyan story comes from a travel adventure book called The Empty Throne (1993). It did not get any coverage in more mainstream sources. See Line of succession to the former Chinese throne, which I have rewritten. Pujie died in 1994 and Jin Youzhi, a half-brother of Pujie and Puyi, is next in line under the succession law. Here is an RS that presents him as a pretender. Kauffner ( talk) 04:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nom. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 05:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne →
Template:Pretenders to the Manchukuo throne – The new title will be more specific (detailed discussion:
Talk:Line of succession to the former Chinese throne)
George6VI (
talk) 14:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk)
10:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Qing dynasty was abolished in 1911, while the law you mentioned was made after that year, it was made in Manchukuo, it's illogical to say the rule can apply to whole China, especially that
Manchukuo claimed to be independent from China and China was a repulic at that time already. The new title may be more specific and there are some more discussion is
Talk:Line of succession to the former Chinese throne. Comparing with a news, official documents and whether the law is effective is more reliable. -
George6VI (
talk)
07:41, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
During the discussion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Chinese throne, there was a consensus about Puyi's relatives being referred as Chinese pretenders, which was considered as a violation of WP:NOR, making the article to be renamed as Head of the House of Aisin Gioro. This is a highly affiliated template, as such, the title should change for same reason; it's what my recent revisions had but now it's reverted. As we got a consensus on this topic, so I hope no one will object my edits. Also, it would be better if the template can rename. - George6VI ( talk) 14:25, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the template to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne →
Template:Head of Aisin Gioro – Pretenders to the Chinese throne is a very loaded and non-neutral term, and has no basis in reality, and is not supported by any reliable sources. The people listed in this template other than Puyi never had pretensions to the Chinese throne, and Wikipedia should not be suggesting that they were pretenders to the long-extinct throne. Moving to Head of Aisin Gioro and retitling the template as "Heads of the
House of Aisin Gioro since 1912" is appropriate.
BabelStone (
talk) 10:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Dreamy Jazz (
talk)
13:52, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. (I would relist based on the one oppose in the 2018 discussion, but that user is blocked as a sockpuppet. Other than that, there has been no opposition to this title for 1 week here and 2 weeks in 2018.) ( closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 22:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne → Template:Head of Aisin Gioro – The current name and message of the template is facially ridiculous. No one from the House of Aisin Gioro is a pretender to the Qing throne, they have been CCP functionaries instead. It's embarrassing that this has sat here for this long. Remsense 诉 20:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 23 February 2024, it was proposed that this page be moved to Template:Head of Aisin Gioro. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
I replaced Yuyan with Pujie as pretender. Pujie was the brother of the last emperor and a public figure in China. He was covered as a pretender by The New York Times and numerous other RS. The Yuyan story comes from a travel adventure book called The Empty Throne (1993). It did not get any coverage in more mainstream sources. See Line of succession to the former Chinese throne, which I have rewritten. Pujie died in 1994 and Jin Youzhi, a half-brother of Pujie and Puyi, is next in line under the succession law. Here is an RS that presents him as a pretender. Kauffner ( talk) 04:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nom. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 05:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne →
Template:Pretenders to the Manchukuo throne – The new title will be more specific (detailed discussion:
Talk:Line of succession to the former Chinese throne)
George6VI (
talk) 14:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk)
10:26, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Qing dynasty was abolished in 1911, while the law you mentioned was made after that year, it was made in Manchukuo, it's illogical to say the rule can apply to whole China, especially that
Manchukuo claimed to be independent from China and China was a repulic at that time already. The new title may be more specific and there are some more discussion is
Talk:Line of succession to the former Chinese throne. Comparing with a news, official documents and whether the law is effective is more reliable. -
George6VI (
talk)
07:41, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
During the discussion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Chinese throne, there was a consensus about Puyi's relatives being referred as Chinese pretenders, which was considered as a violation of WP:NOR, making the article to be renamed as Head of the House of Aisin Gioro. This is a highly affiliated template, as such, the title should change for same reason; it's what my recent revisions had but now it's reverted. As we got a consensus on this topic, so I hope no one will object my edits. Also, it would be better if the template can rename. - George6VI ( talk) 14:25, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the template to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne →
Template:Head of Aisin Gioro – Pretenders to the Chinese throne is a very loaded and non-neutral term, and has no basis in reality, and is not supported by any reliable sources. The people listed in this template other than Puyi never had pretensions to the Chinese throne, and Wikipedia should not be suggesting that they were pretenders to the long-extinct throne. Moving to Head of Aisin Gioro and retitling the template as "Heads of the
House of Aisin Gioro since 1912" is appropriate.
BabelStone (
talk) 10:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Dreamy Jazz (
talk)
13:52, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. (I would relist based on the one oppose in the 2018 discussion, but that user is blocked as a sockpuppet. Other than that, there has been no opposition to this title for 1 week here and 2 weeks in 2018.) ( closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 22:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Template:Pretenders to the Chinese throne → Template:Head of Aisin Gioro – The current name and message of the template is facially ridiculous. No one from the House of Aisin Gioro is a pretender to the Qing throne, they have been CCP functionaries instead. It's embarrassing that this has sat here for this long. Remsense 诉 20:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)