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Well the colours are pretty ugly at the moment but that can be fixed... As for the rest of it, I wanted to make a navigation box that would make it easy to navigate around all things "Palestine". By this I mean the historic land of Palestine (non-political, pre '48), and the Palestinian Territories (West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem) as I believe when most people talk about Palestine this is what they mean. I don't see the point in making a box called Palestinian Territories or West Bank & Gaza Strip & Jerusalem as these are geographical areas and this would exclude far too much Palestinian-related content. I want to include as much as possible about the people, culture, conflict, diaspora etc. so please help.
I decided not to put it on any of the relevant pages yet so it can be edited until people are pretty happy with it.
Pockets23
13:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree that more suggestions need be done in various sections. For example in history we need to start from pre-history and there are good articles about that. In political section we need to include all relevant articles mentioned above by by Tom.
However I do not agree that this template is inherentaly problematic. This has been said about every thing related to Palestine in wiki. some people just want to se Palestine disappear from wiki pages. We should not listen to this POV. There is a land called Palestine. This land has people called Palestinians. They have history. They have present. there are many wiki articles about the land and people in Palestine. So obviously we need a template. -- Thameen 13:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally think the current title is appropriate to cover all the topics with the link leading to Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian Do people think it needs to change? Suggestions? Reasons?
Hi. I just wanted to ask people's thoughts on how to include Arab citizens of Israel in this list. Should we make a Palestinian people section? Also, I put A list of Arab localities in Palestine 1948 under Land of Palestine, but I am not sure if that is the right place for it. Should it be moved to History of Palestine? Lastly, I tried to make a Religion & Religious Sites section, but I don't know of an existing page that cover the religions of Palestine so I don't know how to title it. Any thoughts on these issues would be great. Good work so far everyone! Tiamut 14:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to rename the template to Palestinian Territories? This way, the main objection in the AfD is addressed. The problem is there is no formal palestinian state and the historic name of the region of Israel and the Palestinian Territories is Palestine -- thus it is confusing as to what exactly the template refers to. If you rename it Palestinian Territories it make clear that it does not refer to Israel and thus it does not overlap with that territory. The contents can still remain virtually the same -- especially the politics and nationalist aspirations. I would very much like to do this rename in the near future. -- Ben 12:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Not any collection of articles in a template is necessarily legitimate. I tried to convey the point that this template should exist as any "country template" would, with the reservation that it would be called something other than "Palestine." I'm sure you would agree that if there was now a State of Palestine and Israelis identifying with it were included in its template, then we should do so here, and that if there was an argument against including them there, then we shouldn't include them here. However there is no need to include a central directory of all things with the word "Palestine" in them - that is what disambiguation is for. The history of whatever areas are currently under Palestinian control [in terms of the greater pre-1948 Palestine] could be written in much the same way as the history of the areas under Israeli control. But I feel that making a template about someplace "called Palestine by some, and Israel by others" would be needlessly controversial, wouldn't fit within the convention of other such templates, and would unfairly create a nonexistent alternative to the current Israeli state. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 17:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Marhaba Thameen. Eid Mubarak! I totally feel with you and was kind of surprised when Pockets changed the name. We can still discuss other options. Did you see what I suggested above as compromise positions? I like 'Palestine and Palestinians' or 'The Palestinian Nation' too. But I don't know about your thoughts and those of others. Tiamut 11:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The nature of this template's construction is very confusing which has lead to problems in its inclusion on certain pages. We really must clarify whether it deals with Palestine as a historical region, or with the ethno-political Palestinian people. It certainly shouldn't be the address for all things named "Palestine" - that is the task of the Palestine (disambiguation) page. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 16:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
"Palestinian" is a twentieth century idea; Palestinians have nothing to do with ancient Jewish kingdoms, except in revisionist propaganda of the worst kind. Identity appropriation is a bad idea, and particularly in a template that is already very large. Please stick to topics that are actually directly relevant to Palestinians. Jayjg (talk) 21:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of the reasoning behind the choice of notable personalities? I can think of quite a few names significantly more famous than many of those chosen....
I looked around at some of the templates, and indeed it looked as Tewfik said; mostly artist, scientist + sport-people, etc, take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Swedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Germans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Italians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mexicans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Austrians
Note especially that there is no room for Hitler in the German template, nor for Mussolini in the Italian...... Indeed, I cannot find there is room for a single discredited person/criminal in any of these templates. But now some suddenly, strangely, wants Siran Siran in the Palestinian Template?? It´s a no-go; unless you want to treat other people the same way (And to Beit OR: yes, we learned everything there is to know about WP:POINT during the "Allegation of Apartheid" Arb. com!! Lol!) Regards, Huldra ( talk) 11:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
What about Mahmoud Abbas? He seems to be most important Palestinian right now. 156.143.24.28 ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
In view of the recent revert-warring by Ramallite and Abu ali, I am requesting explanations as to why the following links must be included into the template about the Palestinian people:
While it can be argued that Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures are relevant to the subject, there is already a link to Al-Aqsa intifada. Selecting Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures instead of, say, terror attacks only serves the purpose of advancing the Palestinian victimhood narrative. Palestinian Jew are Jews, not Palestinian Arabs; you need to completely redefine the concept of Palestinian people to make this link relevant. The links to famous religious buildings and sites ( Al-Aqsa Mosque, Church of the Nativity, Dome of the Rock, Rachel's Tomb, Church of the Holy Sepulchre) are an example of appropriation of history. None of them was built by Palestinians; and of course, it's unprecedent to include links to buildings into a template on an ethnic group. I am at a loss about the reasons for including the rest of the links, like Israel, Religion, Druze, Sunni Muslim etc. This template is by far the largest in Category:Ethnic group templates and needs significant cleanup, well beyond anything that has been attempted so far. Beit Or 16:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I am unable to comprehend how Yasser Arafat has been omitted from the list of notable Palestinians. Has he been erased from history, Stalin style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.222.252 ( talk) 09:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
This template could really use an image or a map or something. It's quite plain as is. -- Abnn 20:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
to al-Azhar university is totally irrelevant to this timeline. I have removed it, but Jaakbou insists on reinserting it. I do not understand upon what basis he finds this material notable or relevant to a template on Palestinians. The feedback of others would be appreciated. Tiamat 16:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but that's a spelling mistake. Most people write his surname as Husseini and not Husayni as we have here. Back to the point however, he is already listed in the notable personalities section of the timeline (which I also disagree with but have left intact). My current objection is to including his visit to al-Azhar as the first item in a timeline of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict section. What reliable source states that his visit is as important as say the Balfour Declaration, which was the first item in the timeline before your addition? You have not at all justified the importance of his visit in the overall scheme of things. As such, I will be removing him from that section of the timeline, while retaining his name in the notable personalities section for now. Tiamat 13:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You have furnished no source establishing that al-Husayni's visit to Al-Azhar was a major event worthy of being listed as the first item in this timeline. Indeed, when contrasted against the other items in this Israeli-Palestinian conflict section of the timeline, your addition seems like out of place microdetail. Surely, readers can see what al-Husayni was about by clicking on the existing link to him as a person, currently listed in the Notable personalities section. There, they can read about his visit to Al-Azhar, which is itself a minor detail in that overall article. Tiamat 14:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
1) I did answer your question (read it again). 2) please provide these sources you keep referring to. 3) microdetail is not a weasel word. it's a descriptive term for your edit in the context of the section and overall template. Tiamat 10:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
WHY on earth did you remove the jewish exodus material?! Your POV reverts are getting to the point that I am considering on reporting them. don't remove factual information unless you have some better "excuse" than POV. Eternalsleeper 06:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
i can see how this issue needs refinement before it's re-inserted - i'll try to attend to this issue in the near future. for the meantime, i agree to leaving this out - although, it's definitely as influential as most of the other events noted. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 12:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
the reason given for this edit, being that "Damascus protocols do not even mention "palestinians" and that "Jewish exodus from Arab lands was not carried out by Palestinians", makes it hard for me to WP:AGF knowing my recent history with you. ( House Demolition)
to make it clear, (1) Damascus Protocol were an Arab declaration of ownership/attempted ownership of a certain portion of the middle east which includes 'historical Palestine' a.k.a. land of Israel. (2) the Jewish exodus from Arab lands was the forced fleeing of over 700,000 Jews from Arab lands to the new state of Israel (including the parts that the Arabs lost for the Palestinians), a.k.a. population exchange. (3) there's a point where edit disputes cross the line of reasonable POV to downright vandalism.. i hope edits like this are not such an example, but only a case of not knowing enough about the articles you removed. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 03:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that huge flag of PNA belongs here, especially captioned as "Flag of Palestinians". Please try to resist urges to stick political flags somewhere they do not belong, like geographic regions or non-political entities. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 07:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
As such, I have deleted the section on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and added links to Template:Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other related templates and articles under the section "Politics". Ditto for the PNA material (there is already a template entitled Template:Politics of Palestine. Those battling to include insignificant historical events into this template are asked to take those battles to the relevant pages outlined above. Thanks. Tiamat 01:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Because this template is actually used as a navbox, I propose converting it to an actual navbox format. This way it can be placed at the bottom of article pages, rather than using the limited space within many of the articles within which it's used. Here's a draft version of what I propose:
Any opinion or preferences? Any complaints with this proposed change? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Al Ameer son's explanation for revert: "a militia's bombmaker is not exactly notable alongside Arafat, Husseini and Sakakini".
Reply by Jaakobou: Ayyash is certainly not on the same notability as Arafat. However, he is on the same level and even more notable than Nathalie Handal, Rim Banna, Hany Abu-Assad, Ibrahim Abu-Lughod, Mohammad Bakri, Samih al-Qasim, and May Ziade. In fact, he is so much notable that I would compare "the Engineer" with Hanan Ashrawi on the notability scale without feeling too awkward. See how many results pop up when the search is narrowed down to just his killing [3]. I'm aware that some of these links lead to people described by Palestinians as "the Engineer-4", but this only shows how much an influence the man had. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 20:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Al Ameer son, Huldra,
Where do you stand on this? I don't want to make another edit without a semblance of consensus.
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk
06:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Now; none of the above five names are on the Palestinian template today. And you argue that the most important of these people is...... Yahya Ayyash?? Sorry: yet again: it´s a no-go.
Now, having said all this: it looks as if "notable personalities" section is disappearing from nation-templates, and are being replaces by "List of notable..xx" links instead. This is a quite a natural development, I think; as more and more people get their biography. Therefore, I think it is quite possible that one day we will delete all the single names, and just keep the link Notable Palestinians, (And Jaakobou: I find it strange that you have not added Yahya Ayyash to the List of Palestinians...but you want to have him on the Palestinian template(!)).
Also; removing single names from the template would make room for other important links (I´m thinking especially of List of Arab villages depopulated during the Arab-Israeli conflict) Regards, Huldra ( talk) 23:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
(Indent)
First number is Google scholar; Second number is Google books:
And you get my google -result mentioned above, to repeat:
Again; I have already been forced to use far, far to much time on this POV-pushing (And yes: it is that. I will stand by this description). I will consider further insistence on this matter as disruption. Regards, Huldra ( talk) 23:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Will anybody protest if I remove Palestinian pottery from the template? Presently the article can also be found under Palestinian handicrafts. Regards, Huldra ( talk) 22:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing! Cheers! -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 00:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was Fatah deleted from this template in 2007? Varlaam ( talk) 07:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
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Could someone please add Metawalis, Palestinian Druze and Palestinian Baha'is to the religion section pls. 88.104.44.243 ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC) 88.104.44.243 ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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Well the colours are pretty ugly at the moment but that can be fixed... As for the rest of it, I wanted to make a navigation box that would make it easy to navigate around all things "Palestine". By this I mean the historic land of Palestine (non-political, pre '48), and the Palestinian Territories (West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem) as I believe when most people talk about Palestine this is what they mean. I don't see the point in making a box called Palestinian Territories or West Bank & Gaza Strip & Jerusalem as these are geographical areas and this would exclude far too much Palestinian-related content. I want to include as much as possible about the people, culture, conflict, diaspora etc. so please help.
I decided not to put it on any of the relevant pages yet so it can be edited until people are pretty happy with it.
Pockets23
13:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree that more suggestions need be done in various sections. For example in history we need to start from pre-history and there are good articles about that. In political section we need to include all relevant articles mentioned above by by Tom.
However I do not agree that this template is inherentaly problematic. This has been said about every thing related to Palestine in wiki. some people just want to se Palestine disappear from wiki pages. We should not listen to this POV. There is a land called Palestine. This land has people called Palestinians. They have history. They have present. there are many wiki articles about the land and people in Palestine. So obviously we need a template. -- Thameen 13:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally think the current title is appropriate to cover all the topics with the link leading to Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian Do people think it needs to change? Suggestions? Reasons?
Hi. I just wanted to ask people's thoughts on how to include Arab citizens of Israel in this list. Should we make a Palestinian people section? Also, I put A list of Arab localities in Palestine 1948 under Land of Palestine, but I am not sure if that is the right place for it. Should it be moved to History of Palestine? Lastly, I tried to make a Religion & Religious Sites section, but I don't know of an existing page that cover the religions of Palestine so I don't know how to title it. Any thoughts on these issues would be great. Good work so far everyone! Tiamut 14:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to rename the template to Palestinian Territories? This way, the main objection in the AfD is addressed. The problem is there is no formal palestinian state and the historic name of the region of Israel and the Palestinian Territories is Palestine -- thus it is confusing as to what exactly the template refers to. If you rename it Palestinian Territories it make clear that it does not refer to Israel and thus it does not overlap with that territory. The contents can still remain virtually the same -- especially the politics and nationalist aspirations. I would very much like to do this rename in the near future. -- Ben 12:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Not any collection of articles in a template is necessarily legitimate. I tried to convey the point that this template should exist as any "country template" would, with the reservation that it would be called something other than "Palestine." I'm sure you would agree that if there was now a State of Palestine and Israelis identifying with it were included in its template, then we should do so here, and that if there was an argument against including them there, then we shouldn't include them here. However there is no need to include a central directory of all things with the word "Palestine" in them - that is what disambiguation is for. The history of whatever areas are currently under Palestinian control [in terms of the greater pre-1948 Palestine] could be written in much the same way as the history of the areas under Israeli control. But I feel that making a template about someplace "called Palestine by some, and Israel by others" would be needlessly controversial, wouldn't fit within the convention of other such templates, and would unfairly create a nonexistent alternative to the current Israeli state. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 17:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Marhaba Thameen. Eid Mubarak! I totally feel with you and was kind of surprised when Pockets changed the name. We can still discuss other options. Did you see what I suggested above as compromise positions? I like 'Palestine and Palestinians' or 'The Palestinian Nation' too. But I don't know about your thoughts and those of others. Tiamut 11:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The nature of this template's construction is very confusing which has lead to problems in its inclusion on certain pages. We really must clarify whether it deals with Palestine as a historical region, or with the ethno-political Palestinian people. It certainly shouldn't be the address for all things named "Palestine" - that is the task of the Palestine (disambiguation) page. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 16:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
"Palestinian" is a twentieth century idea; Palestinians have nothing to do with ancient Jewish kingdoms, except in revisionist propaganda of the worst kind. Identity appropriation is a bad idea, and particularly in a template that is already very large. Please stick to topics that are actually directly relevant to Palestinians. Jayjg (talk) 21:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone aware of the reasoning behind the choice of notable personalities? I can think of quite a few names significantly more famous than many of those chosen....
I looked around at some of the templates, and indeed it looked as Tewfik said; mostly artist, scientist + sport-people, etc, take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Swedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Germans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Italians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mexicans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Austrians
Note especially that there is no room for Hitler in the German template, nor for Mussolini in the Italian...... Indeed, I cannot find there is room for a single discredited person/criminal in any of these templates. But now some suddenly, strangely, wants Siran Siran in the Palestinian Template?? It´s a no-go; unless you want to treat other people the same way (And to Beit OR: yes, we learned everything there is to know about WP:POINT during the "Allegation of Apartheid" Arb. com!! Lol!) Regards, Huldra ( talk) 11:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
What about Mahmoud Abbas? He seems to be most important Palestinian right now. 156.143.24.28 ( talk) 18:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
In view of the recent revert-warring by Ramallite and Abu ali, I am requesting explanations as to why the following links must be included into the template about the Palestinian people:
While it can be argued that Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures are relevant to the subject, there is already a link to Al-Aqsa intifada. Selecting Israeli West Bank barrier and West Bank Closures instead of, say, terror attacks only serves the purpose of advancing the Palestinian victimhood narrative. Palestinian Jew are Jews, not Palestinian Arabs; you need to completely redefine the concept of Palestinian people to make this link relevant. The links to famous religious buildings and sites ( Al-Aqsa Mosque, Church of the Nativity, Dome of the Rock, Rachel's Tomb, Church of the Holy Sepulchre) are an example of appropriation of history. None of them was built by Palestinians; and of course, it's unprecedent to include links to buildings into a template on an ethnic group. I am at a loss about the reasons for including the rest of the links, like Israel, Religion, Druze, Sunni Muslim etc. This template is by far the largest in Category:Ethnic group templates and needs significant cleanup, well beyond anything that has been attempted so far. Beit Or 16:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I am unable to comprehend how Yasser Arafat has been omitted from the list of notable Palestinians. Has he been erased from history, Stalin style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.222.252 ( talk) 09:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
This template could really use an image or a map or something. It's quite plain as is. -- Abnn 20:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
to al-Azhar university is totally irrelevant to this timeline. I have removed it, but Jaakbou insists on reinserting it. I do not understand upon what basis he finds this material notable or relevant to a template on Palestinians. The feedback of others would be appreciated. Tiamat 16:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, but that's a spelling mistake. Most people write his surname as Husseini and not Husayni as we have here. Back to the point however, he is already listed in the notable personalities section of the timeline (which I also disagree with but have left intact). My current objection is to including his visit to al-Azhar as the first item in a timeline of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict section. What reliable source states that his visit is as important as say the Balfour Declaration, which was the first item in the timeline before your addition? You have not at all justified the importance of his visit in the overall scheme of things. As such, I will be removing him from that section of the timeline, while retaining his name in the notable personalities section for now. Tiamat 13:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You have furnished no source establishing that al-Husayni's visit to Al-Azhar was a major event worthy of being listed as the first item in this timeline. Indeed, when contrasted against the other items in this Israeli-Palestinian conflict section of the timeline, your addition seems like out of place microdetail. Surely, readers can see what al-Husayni was about by clicking on the existing link to him as a person, currently listed in the Notable personalities section. There, they can read about his visit to Al-Azhar, which is itself a minor detail in that overall article. Tiamat 14:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
1) I did answer your question (read it again). 2) please provide these sources you keep referring to. 3) microdetail is not a weasel word. it's a descriptive term for your edit in the context of the section and overall template. Tiamat 10:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
WHY on earth did you remove the jewish exodus material?! Your POV reverts are getting to the point that I am considering on reporting them. don't remove factual information unless you have some better "excuse" than POV. Eternalsleeper 06:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
i can see how this issue needs refinement before it's re-inserted - i'll try to attend to this issue in the near future. for the meantime, i agree to leaving this out - although, it's definitely as influential as most of the other events noted. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 12:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
the reason given for this edit, being that "Damascus protocols do not even mention "palestinians" and that "Jewish exodus from Arab lands was not carried out by Palestinians", makes it hard for me to WP:AGF knowing my recent history with you. ( House Demolition)
to make it clear, (1) Damascus Protocol were an Arab declaration of ownership/attempted ownership of a certain portion of the middle east which includes 'historical Palestine' a.k.a. land of Israel. (2) the Jewish exodus from Arab lands was the forced fleeing of over 700,000 Jews from Arab lands to the new state of Israel (including the parts that the Arabs lost for the Palestinians), a.k.a. population exchange. (3) there's a point where edit disputes cross the line of reasonable POV to downright vandalism.. i hope edits like this are not such an example, but only a case of not knowing enough about the articles you removed. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 03:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that huge flag of PNA belongs here, especially captioned as "Flag of Palestinians". Please try to resist urges to stick political flags somewhere they do not belong, like geographic regions or non-political entities. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 07:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
As such, I have deleted the section on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and added links to Template:Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other related templates and articles under the section "Politics". Ditto for the PNA material (there is already a template entitled Template:Politics of Palestine. Those battling to include insignificant historical events into this template are asked to take those battles to the relevant pages outlined above. Thanks. Tiamat 01:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Because this template is actually used as a navbox, I propose converting it to an actual navbox format. This way it can be placed at the bottom of article pages, rather than using the limited space within many of the articles within which it's used. Here's a draft version of what I propose:
Any opinion or preferences? Any complaints with this proposed change? --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 22:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Al Ameer son's explanation for revert: "a militia's bombmaker is not exactly notable alongside Arafat, Husseini and Sakakini".
Reply by Jaakobou: Ayyash is certainly not on the same notability as Arafat. However, he is on the same level and even more notable than Nathalie Handal, Rim Banna, Hany Abu-Assad, Ibrahim Abu-Lughod, Mohammad Bakri, Samih al-Qasim, and May Ziade. In fact, he is so much notable that I would compare "the Engineer" with Hanan Ashrawi on the notability scale without feeling too awkward. See how many results pop up when the search is narrowed down to just his killing [3]. I'm aware that some of these links lead to people described by Palestinians as "the Engineer-4", but this only shows how much an influence the man had. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 20:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Al Ameer son, Huldra,
Where do you stand on this? I don't want to make another edit without a semblance of consensus.
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk
06:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Now; none of the above five names are on the Palestinian template today. And you argue that the most important of these people is...... Yahya Ayyash?? Sorry: yet again: it´s a no-go.
Now, having said all this: it looks as if "notable personalities" section is disappearing from nation-templates, and are being replaces by "List of notable..xx" links instead. This is a quite a natural development, I think; as more and more people get their biography. Therefore, I think it is quite possible that one day we will delete all the single names, and just keep the link Notable Palestinians, (And Jaakobou: I find it strange that you have not added Yahya Ayyash to the List of Palestinians...but you want to have him on the Palestinian template(!)).
Also; removing single names from the template would make room for other important links (I´m thinking especially of List of Arab villages depopulated during the Arab-Israeli conflict) Regards, Huldra ( talk) 23:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
(Indent)
First number is Google scholar; Second number is Google books:
And you get my google -result mentioned above, to repeat:
Again; I have already been forced to use far, far to much time on this POV-pushing (And yes: it is that. I will stand by this description). I will consider further insistence on this matter as disruption. Regards, Huldra ( talk) 23:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Will anybody protest if I remove Palestinian pottery from the template? Presently the article can also be found under Palestinian handicrafts. Regards, Huldra ( talk) 22:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing! Cheers! -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 00:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was Fatah deleted from this template in 2007? Varlaam ( talk) 07:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
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Could someone please add Metawalis, Palestinian Druze and Palestinian Baha'is to the religion section pls. 88.104.44.243 ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC) 88.104.44.243 ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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Sam
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15:57, 29 May 2019 (UTC)