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I edited the template to reflect that thus far it has only been a perfect regular season. Wouldn't want to be a jinx.... 24.60.255.119 ( talk) 22:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This guy thinks he owns the the New England Patriots template. The Spygate incident should be included in the template, as well as the Super Bowl XLII upset. But he has to make it look like the Pats are perfect so he deletes the Spygate incident and the upset from the template every time someone tries to add it on. I'm an Oakland Raiders fan and I'm pissed about the Immaculate Reception but you don't see me deleting it from the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 ( talk) 15:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a compelling reason not to mention the Spygate article? It appears to be relevant to the Patriots and notable enough to have its own article. Navigational templates should help readers find articles they'd like to read -- it's not about highlighting "best" moments, but significant ones. – Luna Santin ( talk) 09:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I think Luna Santin's got the right idea. The navigation template is for articles relating to the New England Traitors, plain and simple. It's not Wikipedia's job to be a PR mouthpiece for the organization. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 20:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
As it is one of the most noteworthy catches in NFL history (like the Immaculate Reception), it belongs in the Pats' lore section. Also, as noted above embarassing plays are in other NFL teams' templates (such as the Music City Miracle in the Bills template and The Miracle at the Meadowlands in the Giants template). Richiekim ( talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Then by your logic The Drive had nothing to do with the Browns because it was John Elway and the Broncos offensive play. Or that the Immaculate Reception has nothing to do with the Raiders because it was a catch made by the Steelers. But that is not the case. It DOES have to do with the Patriots, because this team had a chance to go 19-0 and this play is what prevented that from happening. MethMan47 ( talk) 16:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
If you would please, explain to me how this is irrelevant to Patriots fans, but The Drive and The Immacualte Reception are irrelevant to Browns fans and Raiders fans? This happened at a game that the New England Patriots played, it is a notable play, and therefore it should be included. I do not see what the argument is. MethMan47 ( talk) 16:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
But I do not see how this play is any more insignificant to the Patriots than the examples I have given. Maybe it does not exactly fit the definition of "Lore" per say, in fact Spygate isn't exactly what I would consider to be Lore, but nonetheless they should both be on the template because they both involve the New England Patriots. I am open to it being on another category on the template if anyone feels that it doesn't belong in the Lore section. Any suggestions? MethMan47 ( talk) 22:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree that the play will most likely not be remembered by Patriots fans as being significant. The only reason why I feel like it belongs on the template is because of the precedent held by others to put significant events on the team's template if they played at the game, even if the play was not particularily significant to that team. That is why I am not to big of putting it into a "Lore" section. Along with Spygate they are a different category altogether. MethMan47 ( talk) 23:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Instead of 16-0, it should be 18-1. "Lore" does not always imply "glorious". It can also imply "humiliating". This is true for any sports fanbase. Just because Patriots fans can't seem to "take it", doesn't mean than they can deny the idea of 18-1 not being lore. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 02:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some user(s) doesn't want to put said section in the Lore section of the Patriots template. If it's on the Panthers template, then this should belong here as well, although like the Panthers, they weren't directly involved. Thoughts? Duo02 ~Please direct all praises/complaints here.~ 12:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I thought that there was too much red in this template, since the Patriots' primary color is blue. I only edited it this way so that everyone could see it with a blue and silver focus. If anyone feels that it was a mistake, feel free to revert it. It just looked more like a template for the Red Sox. Thoughts? Khan_singh ( talk) 04:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
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I edited the template to reflect that thus far it has only been a perfect regular season. Wouldn't want to be a jinx.... 24.60.255.119 ( talk) 22:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This guy thinks he owns the the New England Patriots template. The Spygate incident should be included in the template, as well as the Super Bowl XLII upset. But he has to make it look like the Pats are perfect so he deletes the Spygate incident and the upset from the template every time someone tries to add it on. I'm an Oakland Raiders fan and I'm pissed about the Immaculate Reception but you don't see me deleting it from the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.34.217.222 ( talk) 15:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a compelling reason not to mention the Spygate article? It appears to be relevant to the Patriots and notable enough to have its own article. Navigational templates should help readers find articles they'd like to read -- it's not about highlighting "best" moments, but significant ones. – Luna Santin ( talk) 09:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I think Luna Santin's got the right idea. The navigation template is for articles relating to the New England Traitors, plain and simple. It's not Wikipedia's job to be a PR mouthpiece for the organization. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 20:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
As it is one of the most noteworthy catches in NFL history (like the Immaculate Reception), it belongs in the Pats' lore section. Also, as noted above embarassing plays are in other NFL teams' templates (such as the Music City Miracle in the Bills template and The Miracle at the Meadowlands in the Giants template). Richiekim ( talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Then by your logic The Drive had nothing to do with the Browns because it was John Elway and the Broncos offensive play. Or that the Immaculate Reception has nothing to do with the Raiders because it was a catch made by the Steelers. But that is not the case. It DOES have to do with the Patriots, because this team had a chance to go 19-0 and this play is what prevented that from happening. MethMan47 ( talk) 16:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
If you would please, explain to me how this is irrelevant to Patriots fans, but The Drive and The Immacualte Reception are irrelevant to Browns fans and Raiders fans? This happened at a game that the New England Patriots played, it is a notable play, and therefore it should be included. I do not see what the argument is. MethMan47 ( talk) 16:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
But I do not see how this play is any more insignificant to the Patriots than the examples I have given. Maybe it does not exactly fit the definition of "Lore" per say, in fact Spygate isn't exactly what I would consider to be Lore, but nonetheless they should both be on the template because they both involve the New England Patriots. I am open to it being on another category on the template if anyone feels that it doesn't belong in the Lore section. Any suggestions? MethMan47 ( talk) 22:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree that the play will most likely not be remembered by Patriots fans as being significant. The only reason why I feel like it belongs on the template is because of the precedent held by others to put significant events on the team's template if they played at the game, even if the play was not particularily significant to that team. That is why I am not to big of putting it into a "Lore" section. Along with Spygate they are a different category altogether. MethMan47 ( talk) 23:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Instead of 16-0, it should be 18-1. "Lore" does not always imply "glorious". It can also imply "humiliating". This is true for any sports fanbase. Just because Patriots fans can't seem to "take it", doesn't mean than they can deny the idea of 18-1 not being lore. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ) 02:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some user(s) doesn't want to put said section in the Lore section of the Patriots template. If it's on the Panthers template, then this should belong here as well, although like the Panthers, they weren't directly involved. Thoughts? Duo02 ~Please direct all praises/complaints here.~ 12:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I thought that there was too much red in this template, since the Patriots' primary color is blue. I only edited it this way so that everyone could see it with a blue and silver focus. If anyone feels that it was a mistake, feel free to revert it. It just looked more like a template for the Red Sox. Thoughts? Khan_singh ( talk) 04:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)