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What was wrong with the revision of October 7 2004? If no one answers here, I'm reverting (unless someone beats me to it). — msh210 22:50, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
AllyUnion changed mathematics-related article to mathematical-related article. I don't think he/she is correct: I think a noun has to precede -related. Compare odor-related article to odorous-related article, or vision-related article to visual-related article: doesn't the noun sound better? It certainly does to my ears. (But I'm a native American English speaker; perhaps it's different in Ukogbani or elsewhere.)
Note that Googling mathematics-related yields "about 26500" results; mathematical-related, "about 652".
So unless someone presents a good argument for mathematical, I'd like to revert the change. — msh210 18:06, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
math·e·mat·ics Audio pronunciation of "mathematics" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth-mtks) n. (used with a sing. verb) The study of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets, using numbers and symbols.
-- From Dictionary.com on Mathematics.
4 entries found for mathematical. math·e·mat·i·cal Audio pronunciation of "mathematical" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth-mt-kl) also math·e·mat·ic (-k) adj. 1. Of or relating to mathematics. 2. 1. Precise; exact. 2. Absolute; certain. 3. Possible according to mathematics but highly improbable: The team has only a mathematical chance to win the championship.
-- From Dictionary.com on Mathematical
Technically, based on the definition [1], it should be, "mathematical article." "mathematics-related" seems wordy. -- AllyUnion (talk) 22:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Google related note: Mathematical produces 17,200,000 raw search results. -- AllyUnion (talk) 22:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Because mathematical is ambiguous (see its other meanings you list above), I think mathematics-related is considerably better. (It's also better than math-related, which is strictly an Americanism.) I'm reverting. — msh210 05:10, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ok, so yet another person thought it was a great idea to add a Pi image to the math stub template. I disagree with this and I'm not alone as the previous reverts show. I've reverted again, and I think it would a good idea if anyone that wants the Pi image explain his/her reason and then people can vote (after announcing this on the WikiProject: mathematics page, etc.). I personally think that it's weird to have Pi be a part of a simple stub notice, and frankly, it's kind of Pi-centric: after all, why not a knot? Do those who say "not knot" (couldn't resist!) have a better reason than those who say "not Pi"? It's best just to avoid the use of an image. -- C S 10:41, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
219.77.61.244, Kieff, and The Anome seem to be pro-\pi-picture, with Chan-Ho Suh, Evercat, and msh210 seemingly against. How about we leave it alone for a few days while allowing others to weigh in with ideas or votes? I'll mention this debate in a few places (WikiProjects Math and Stub-sorting, to start) so people can direct their attention to this talk page. — msh210 04:39, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
How about this proposal: instead of wasting time arguing over what picture to put in a stub you edit an article? In the end of this argument, you will not have accomplished anything. I know, it's a radical proposal. I've recently learned a similar lesson for a similar situation. Cburnett 22:05, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I remember seeing an image that looked something like:
+ | - --|-- × | ÷
Well, let's put it this way. Instead of being a stick in the mud, start listing suggestions. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:16, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
See Template:Ling-stub, for linguistics stubs. It uses an image which is a linguistics-oriented depiction of the fact that the article is a stub (not a depiction of linguistics). This makes more sense to me. After all, everyone who's read the article knows it's about math; the stub notice is to announce that it's a stub! I'm not sure how one would do that with math, though. I am simultaneously starting a discussion along these lines at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Policy#Pictures. [[— msh210 01:32, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
How about this:
That's e, i, and π all making appearances (placating their respective fan-clubs), and all coming to -1, symbolizing the need for something to be added... -- Karada 12:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Now done: the reduced image is:
-- Karada 14:01, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
All well and fine if the only people who saw stubs were people helping with them, but this isn't the case. Regular people are the people who read Wikipedia and would therefore be likely to see maths stubs. To them, the best known symbol that typifies higher mathematics would almost certainly be π, whereas e, for all that mathematicians know of its wonderful properties, to regular people looks like the fifth letter of the alphabet. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with pi, but if you don't like it, then something simple that looks suitably esoteric to regular people but also has some mathematical meaning would be best, like... hmmm... , say. Grutness| hello? 12:13, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've just come across this edit: [1], which suggests that the current template is not as clear as it should be. -- EJ 21:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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What was wrong with the revision of October 7 2004? If no one answers here, I'm reverting (unless someone beats me to it). — msh210 22:50, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
AllyUnion changed mathematics-related article to mathematical-related article. I don't think he/she is correct: I think a noun has to precede -related. Compare odor-related article to odorous-related article, or vision-related article to visual-related article: doesn't the noun sound better? It certainly does to my ears. (But I'm a native American English speaker; perhaps it's different in Ukogbani or elsewhere.)
Note that Googling mathematics-related yields "about 26500" results; mathematical-related, "about 652".
So unless someone presents a good argument for mathematical, I'd like to revert the change. — msh210 18:06, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
math·e·mat·ics Audio pronunciation of "mathematics" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth-mtks) n. (used with a sing. verb) The study of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets, using numbers and symbols.
-- From Dictionary.com on Mathematics.
4 entries found for mathematical. math·e·mat·i·cal Audio pronunciation of "mathematical" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mth-mt-kl) also math·e·mat·ic (-k) adj. 1. Of or relating to mathematics. 2. 1. Precise; exact. 2. Absolute; certain. 3. Possible according to mathematics but highly improbable: The team has only a mathematical chance to win the championship.
-- From Dictionary.com on Mathematical
Technically, based on the definition [1], it should be, "mathematical article." "mathematics-related" seems wordy. -- AllyUnion (talk) 22:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Google related note: Mathematical produces 17,200,000 raw search results. -- AllyUnion (talk) 22:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Because mathematical is ambiguous (see its other meanings you list above), I think mathematics-related is considerably better. (It's also better than math-related, which is strictly an Americanism.) I'm reverting. — msh210 05:10, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ok, so yet another person thought it was a great idea to add a Pi image to the math stub template. I disagree with this and I'm not alone as the previous reverts show. I've reverted again, and I think it would a good idea if anyone that wants the Pi image explain his/her reason and then people can vote (after announcing this on the WikiProject: mathematics page, etc.). I personally think that it's weird to have Pi be a part of a simple stub notice, and frankly, it's kind of Pi-centric: after all, why not a knot? Do those who say "not knot" (couldn't resist!) have a better reason than those who say "not Pi"? It's best just to avoid the use of an image. -- C S 10:41, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
219.77.61.244, Kieff, and The Anome seem to be pro-\pi-picture, with Chan-Ho Suh, Evercat, and msh210 seemingly against. How about we leave it alone for a few days while allowing others to weigh in with ideas or votes? I'll mention this debate in a few places (WikiProjects Math and Stub-sorting, to start) so people can direct their attention to this talk page. — msh210 04:39, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
How about this proposal: instead of wasting time arguing over what picture to put in a stub you edit an article? In the end of this argument, you will not have accomplished anything. I know, it's a radical proposal. I've recently learned a similar lesson for a similar situation. Cburnett 22:05, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I remember seeing an image that looked something like:
+ | - --|-- × | ÷
Well, let's put it this way. Instead of being a stick in the mud, start listing suggestions. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:16, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
See Template:Ling-stub, for linguistics stubs. It uses an image which is a linguistics-oriented depiction of the fact that the article is a stub (not a depiction of linguistics). This makes more sense to me. After all, everyone who's read the article knows it's about math; the stub notice is to announce that it's a stub! I'm not sure how one would do that with math, though. I am simultaneously starting a discussion along these lines at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Policy#Pictures. [[— msh210 01:32, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
How about this:
That's e, i, and π all making appearances (placating their respective fan-clubs), and all coming to -1, symbolizing the need for something to be added... -- Karada 12:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Now done: the reduced image is:
-- Karada 14:01, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
All well and fine if the only people who saw stubs were people helping with them, but this isn't the case. Regular people are the people who read Wikipedia and would therefore be likely to see maths stubs. To them, the best known symbol that typifies higher mathematics would almost certainly be π, whereas e, for all that mathematicians know of its wonderful properties, to regular people looks like the fifth letter of the alphabet. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with pi, but if you don't like it, then something simple that looks suitably esoteric to regular people but also has some mathematical meaning would be best, like... hmmm... , say. Grutness| hello? 12:13, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've just come across this edit: [1], which suggests that the current template is not as clear as it should be. -- EJ 21:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)