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Currently the template included every thing from 'start' class up, is this sensible of should we restrict it to 'b' class and up, as it is getting very full. -- Nate1481( t/ c) 17:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Sambo is listed as grappling in the box, but it includes punching and kicking, so I think it should be listed as a mixed art instead of grappling arts. -- RisingSunWiki 23:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but the article is big enough, it's not a start anymore.
Yes it has no English references but: 1. It all was referenced and translated. I sat the whole day and made shure every claim has a source, I brought the quote, and translated the quote. 2. The article is to big to be a start.
It's not a FA, not a GA, and not an A. But it's for shure a C. Kostan1 ( talk) 13:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to discussion the inclusion, removal, name, and anything else in relation to these grappling arts and the template in question, the hope of avoiding any form of edit warring. The Scythian 17:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
You can't list articles on a navigation box because of quality. I came to this template looking for navigation and I couldn't find things I wanted, this template is to serve for navigation and therefore quality of the article should not be a factor for inclusion. — Borgarde 02:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't understand why this major Mixed/Hybrid Martial Art system is not included in the list of world wide hybrid martial art systems.
I am not an exponent of this martial art system so it cannot be suggested that I am biased. It is puzzling why it is not on the list.
Kuk Sool Won is an extensive and one could say complete martial art system.
I am sure most readers would agree it belongs on this list. I have tried to edit the list to add it but it is rejected.
regards,
SL401
Hello, I added Okinawan Kobudo to this list. -- RedZiz ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What's the relationship and differenct from this sport and Judo?-- Pierce ( talk) 14:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
There appear to be different opinions about where to place aikido in this template. Does anyone have a reference from a high-ranked aikido teacher that aikido is 'grappling'? jmcw ( talk) 18:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the reason I re-added a striking section was the complete absence of a link to the general karate article. This posed two problems: first, the only specific karate link was to sport karate only, which hardly covers the breadth of the art, making the navbox incomplete; and secondly, because such a link is called for in the template's own documentation. In other words, the template is supposed to contain such high level links and omitting them kind of defeats the purpose. While I acknowledge that some may not like to do such, it is pretty conventional to classify martial arts in such a fashion, and Wikipedia should reflect such common classifications; it's hardly OR to do such. But a seperate category for arts whose focus is more internal does better reflect the nature of the arts, so an internal category is a good choice.
An unknown user has taken it upon themselves to expand the template almost indiscriminately. I am not so sure that is a good idea as it would start to mirror the manav by country template which is horrible. Following the stated guidelines would help clear it up. I was in the mood for a mass revert but I see edit war so I would rather discuss it here first. For example I don't think this is the place to list all articles on wrestling when just Wrestling will do. Peter Rehse ( talk) 10:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I also created a template for Japanese martial arts which does need populating. I took for inspiration the template for Chinese martial arts. Peter Rehse ( talk) 10:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree that Bangladeshi martial arts really does not belong on notability grounds but the argument that there are other non-C articles in the template has and will be raised again. I am going to start a clean-up of sub-C. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm sincerely shocked that within the template, training>forms, directs to kata. Where then does that leave taolu? It seems that the make-up of this template is in serious need of revision to make sure it's relevant to martial arts as a whole. ~ InferKNOX ( talk) 22:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Please see WT:MARTIAL#Two propositions for more helpful categorization and navigation, which could affect the content/structure of this template. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Recently I have added a link to Indonesian martial arts into this template. I wish to keep it there since it has been expanded significantly, completed with more references. I have no problem on keeping Indochinese martial arts in this template (unfortunately the article is only a list), but I heard to be placed into this template it need to be at least C class article. I hope no more deletion on Indonesian entry again into this template without any explanation or reasoning. Thank you... Gunkarta talk 15:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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What's the difference between a Class A, B, and C? And how/can you add a new Martial Art? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.25.168.240 ( talk) 04:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
This is getting unwieldy. I think it makes sense to split the sports navigation portion to a separate Template:Martial arts in international sports for all those links. Or just ditch the continental competitions and leave it solely at the Olympics and World Games as worldwide. oknazevad ( talk) 03:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
This is the
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Martial arts template. |
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Archives: 1, 2 |
Martial arts Template‑class | |||||||
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Currently the template included every thing from 'start' class up, is this sensible of should we restrict it to 'b' class and up, as it is getting very full. -- Nate1481( t/ c) 17:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Sambo is listed as grappling in the box, but it includes punching and kicking, so I think it should be listed as a mixed art instead of grappling arts. -- RisingSunWiki 23:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but the article is big enough, it's not a start anymore.
Yes it has no English references but: 1. It all was referenced and translated. I sat the whole day and made shure every claim has a source, I brought the quote, and translated the quote. 2. The article is to big to be a start.
It's not a FA, not a GA, and not an A. But it's for shure a C. Kostan1 ( talk) 13:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to discussion the inclusion, removal, name, and anything else in relation to these grappling arts and the template in question, the hope of avoiding any form of edit warring. The Scythian 17:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
You can't list articles on a navigation box because of quality. I came to this template looking for navigation and I couldn't find things I wanted, this template is to serve for navigation and therefore quality of the article should not be a factor for inclusion. — Borgarde 02:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't understand why this major Mixed/Hybrid Martial Art system is not included in the list of world wide hybrid martial art systems.
I am not an exponent of this martial art system so it cannot be suggested that I am biased. It is puzzling why it is not on the list.
Kuk Sool Won is an extensive and one could say complete martial art system.
I am sure most readers would agree it belongs on this list. I have tried to edit the list to add it but it is rejected.
regards,
SL401
Hello, I added Okinawan Kobudo to this list. -- RedZiz ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What's the relationship and differenct from this sport and Judo?-- Pierce ( talk) 14:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
There appear to be different opinions about where to place aikido in this template. Does anyone have a reference from a high-ranked aikido teacher that aikido is 'grappling'? jmcw ( talk) 18:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the reason I re-added a striking section was the complete absence of a link to the general karate article. This posed two problems: first, the only specific karate link was to sport karate only, which hardly covers the breadth of the art, making the navbox incomplete; and secondly, because such a link is called for in the template's own documentation. In other words, the template is supposed to contain such high level links and omitting them kind of defeats the purpose. While I acknowledge that some may not like to do such, it is pretty conventional to classify martial arts in such a fashion, and Wikipedia should reflect such common classifications; it's hardly OR to do such. But a seperate category for arts whose focus is more internal does better reflect the nature of the arts, so an internal category is a good choice.
An unknown user has taken it upon themselves to expand the template almost indiscriminately. I am not so sure that is a good idea as it would start to mirror the manav by country template which is horrible. Following the stated guidelines would help clear it up. I was in the mood for a mass revert but I see edit war so I would rather discuss it here first. For example I don't think this is the place to list all articles on wrestling when just Wrestling will do. Peter Rehse ( talk) 10:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I also created a template for Japanese martial arts which does need populating. I took for inspiration the template for Chinese martial arts. Peter Rehse ( talk) 10:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree that Bangladeshi martial arts really does not belong on notability grounds but the argument that there are other non-C articles in the template has and will be raised again. I am going to start a clean-up of sub-C. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm sincerely shocked that within the template, training>forms, directs to kata. Where then does that leave taolu? It seems that the make-up of this template is in serious need of revision to make sure it's relevant to martial arts as a whole. ~ InferKNOX ( talk) 22:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Please see WT:MARTIAL#Two propositions for more helpful categorization and navigation, which could affect the content/structure of this template. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Recently I have added a link to Indonesian martial arts into this template. I wish to keep it there since it has been expanded significantly, completed with more references. I have no problem on keeping Indochinese martial arts in this template (unfortunately the article is only a list), but I heard to be placed into this template it need to be at least C class article. I hope no more deletion on Indonesian entry again into this template without any explanation or reasoning. Thank you... Gunkarta talk 15:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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81.104.90.26 ( talk) 10:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Add Bangladeshi Martial Arts to the tab at the bottom
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47.25.168.240 ( talk) 04:35, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
What's the difference between a Class A, B, and C? And how/can you add a new Martial Art? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.25.168.240 ( talk) 04:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
This is getting unwieldy. I think it makes sense to split the sports navigation portion to a separate Template:Martial arts in international sports for all those links. Or just ditch the continental competitions and leave it solely at the Olympics and World Games as worldwide. oknazevad ( talk) 03:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)