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The challenge of this template is that it can never be inclusive enough, as there have been thousands, but the majority of which would never be counted as notable enough for WP articles. It is estimated that 4,743 lynchings happened in the US between 1882 and 1968 1; how can this template ever possibly reflect that? As it stands this is a shamefully inadequate tool. • Freechild talk 21:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Instead of using the alphabetical order, shouldn't we re-order them chronologically please? I think this would make more sense. Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add John Trotwood Moore? Are there other pro-lynching individuals we could add? Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
In the Encyclopedia of Alabama it says “his racist views, which are expressed either directly or indirectly throughout his writings,”
I found a whole book of his: http://www.roanetnhistory.org/moore-songs-stories-tn.html
Search for the n* word in: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23637/23637-h/23637-h.htm. deisenbe ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
This template is getting long and it may get a lot longer. Sometime it will have to be collapsed. I can do that as a sidebar, and then there could be a thumbnail. How to do it elegantly as a template I don’t know how to do and at Teahouse nobody knew, though I could take my inquiry further. Anyone got a problem with this change? deisenbe ( talk) 00:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Harmon Murray is about a criminal who died at the hands of an associate, but three of his fellow gang members were lynched, and Murray would likely have been lynched if he had been taken alive. The article covers the three lynchings, but I am not sure how or where it fits in the template. - Donald Albury 23:59, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure it was very sad and illegal, but it was a two-way gunfight, with bullets flying on both sides -- not to mention that Joseph Smith had an armed paramilitary group at his command, which he called on to defend him (but it didn't get there in time). It's really not what is ordinarily called a "lynching"... AnonMoos ( talk) 08:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Benjamin Tillman was a loud and proud lynching supporter... AnonMoos ( talk) 09:06, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
There are several instances of lynchings involving two or three victims in the List of lynchings section, as well as others in the Multiple victims section. It seems to me that most of the incidents in the Multiple victims section, often described as "riots" or "massacres", are qualitatively different from those in which one, two or even three victims were killed together. Part of that difference is based on whether the victims were seized and killed together, or whether there were a series of separate killings closely related in space and time. I would argue that incidents in which more than one victim was killed in a single action should go in the List of lynchings section. However, an easier distinction is to just say that any incident with more than one victim belongs in the Multiple victims section. Any thoughts? - Donald Albury 13:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I wrote a bunch of these articles from this source, so for starters I had just a name, a date, and a place (and in one case the date was incorrect). Then Google and JSTOR help me find the rest of the sourcing. Lynching of Leonard Woods is somewhat typical: a couple of old sources, then I find a big fat article that has the required material, but I don't always find a lot of material from Google Books that allow me to mix up the sources a bit. (BTW, if you have a moment, look at Lynching of Joseph Upchurch and then read that 2013 article. There's a follow-up that I can share with you later.) I did, by chance, get an email from Rutgers UP, which is having a sale, and Dora Apel's Imagery of Lynching was in there, so I ordered that--there's a ton in there, but it's not accessible via Google Books. Drmies ( talk) 15:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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The challenge of this template is that it can never be inclusive enough, as there have been thousands, but the majority of which would never be counted as notable enough for WP articles. It is estimated that 4,743 lynchings happened in the US between 1882 and 1968 1; how can this template ever possibly reflect that? As it stands this is a shamefully inadequate tool. • Freechild talk 21:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Instead of using the alphabetical order, shouldn't we re-order them chronologically please? I think this would make more sense. Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add John Trotwood Moore? Are there other pro-lynching individuals we could add? Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
In the Encyclopedia of Alabama it says “his racist views, which are expressed either directly or indirectly throughout his writings,”
I found a whole book of his: http://www.roanetnhistory.org/moore-songs-stories-tn.html
Search for the n* word in: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23637/23637-h/23637-h.htm. deisenbe ( talk) 01:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
This template is getting long and it may get a lot longer. Sometime it will have to be collapsed. I can do that as a sidebar, and then there could be a thumbnail. How to do it elegantly as a template I don’t know how to do and at Teahouse nobody knew, though I could take my inquiry further. Anyone got a problem with this change? deisenbe ( talk) 00:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Harmon Murray is about a criminal who died at the hands of an associate, but three of his fellow gang members were lynched, and Murray would likely have been lynched if he had been taken alive. The article covers the three lynchings, but I am not sure how or where it fits in the template. - Donald Albury 23:59, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure it was very sad and illegal, but it was a two-way gunfight, with bullets flying on both sides -- not to mention that Joseph Smith had an armed paramilitary group at his command, which he called on to defend him (but it didn't get there in time). It's really not what is ordinarily called a "lynching"... AnonMoos ( talk) 08:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Benjamin Tillman was a loud and proud lynching supporter... AnonMoos ( talk) 09:06, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
There are several instances of lynchings involving two or three victims in the List of lynchings section, as well as others in the Multiple victims section. It seems to me that most of the incidents in the Multiple victims section, often described as "riots" or "massacres", are qualitatively different from those in which one, two or even three victims were killed together. Part of that difference is based on whether the victims were seized and killed together, or whether there were a series of separate killings closely related in space and time. I would argue that incidents in which more than one victim was killed in a single action should go in the List of lynchings section. However, an easier distinction is to just say that any incident with more than one victim belongs in the Multiple victims section. Any thoughts? - Donald Albury 13:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I wrote a bunch of these articles from this source, so for starters I had just a name, a date, and a place (and in one case the date was incorrect). Then Google and JSTOR help me find the rest of the sourcing. Lynching of Leonard Woods is somewhat typical: a couple of old sources, then I find a big fat article that has the required material, but I don't always find a lot of material from Google Books that allow me to mix up the sources a bit. (BTW, if you have a moment, look at Lynching of Joseph Upchurch and then read that 2013 article. There's a follow-up that I can share with you later.) I did, by chance, get an email from Rutgers UP, which is having a sale, and Dora Apel's Imagery of Lynching was in there, so I ordered that--there's a ton in there, but it's not accessible via Google Books. Drmies ( talk) 15:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)