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I changed this template to use the Navigation box template and I changed the colour to match all the other Irish political templates, including the Presidents, Taoiseach, Tanaiste, Ceann Comhairle among others. Even the political offices ({{s-off}}) matches. Number57 claims my changes look awful, I think his changes are equally vile. Nobody asked him to change an Irish template and make it look a) rubbish and b) different in colour and style to the rest of the Irish political templates. Perhaps he'd be better off fixing the international series to make them look less pants.
And while I'm on the subject what was the point of lumping in the Irish Referenda in the Irish Elections box, they are not elections so should not be there. There already is a template for Irish referenda and one that has all the links working unlike the poor job that was done of the duplicate one.
Furthermore, if you are going to have an Irish elections box where are the European elections and the Local elections? And when you're done making with them add in the Udaras na Gaeltacht elections as well to make a complete dog's dinner of it! Snappy56 21:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason that the 1983 Presidential election is flagged as "uncontested" while the 1974 and 1976 are not? I am aware that the circumstances were different, in that the '83 election was scheduled and the other two were due to an unexpected vacancy, but the fact remains that there was no vote on any of these three occasions. Scolaire 11:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I had a read of Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags and I don't think it applies to this case. What it is talking about is piling flags on top of each other, like the Gianluca Zambrotta infobox in its example. With this template it's more a matter of asthetics, and I for one prefer it with three flags than with one. I wish you'd discuss it here, though, instead of in your edit summaries. Scolaire 20:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
This template only deals with the Irish Republic, therefore only one instance of the flag is necessary in the template.-- padraig3uk 11:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Sadly this discussion is going nowhere, with the same points being repeated and one contributor having resorted to asking other users to come here and back him up here. Everyone has stated their opinion, and it is obvious that there is no consensus. On Wikipedia when there is no consensus for change the article reverts to its original status, in this case with three flags.
Aside from this, I resent the accusations that have been made against me concerning this template and others regarding WP:OWN. I had no problem other changes being made to the template (i.e. the title being converted to a link or the addition of by-elections) which I thought were helpful. The flags issue is about aesthetics, and I don't believe removing the other two flags is making it better. Number 5 7 21:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
No consensus, is there? A recipe for entropy! Can anyone show me a template (NOT created and/or edited by either Number57 / Scolaire / Nightstallion which has multiple flagicons for the same country? If someone can then I'll bow out from this debate otherwise it will continue! Snappy56 22:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
And Snappy, you promised to 'bow out' if Number 57 could show a template, not his, that used multiple flagicons. He did, and 30 minutes later you reverted! What's the story there?
Scolaire 10:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
<yawn> — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Stanton, I did not realise that you had been invited to comment here, but I have to say honestly that I believe you have been most unhelpful throughout. In particular, to post this ream of comments four days after the issue was successfully resolved was uncalled-for, if not downright provocative. You seem to have taken no trouble to follow the history of the debate — you even split one of my edits in two, and added a <!--Who posted this?--> to boot! Your use of expressions such as "Meh" and "yawn" is arrogant in the extreme. To answer one of your comments, I do not "mistake dismissiveness for irrationality" — I take it for boorishness.
And by the way, if you read
WP:MOS yourself, I think you might see the following: "A distracting, confusing or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. Some editors find it disruptive to discourse on talk pages, or when working in the edit window." Bear that in mind when lecturing others about "in-yo'-face graphics".
Scolaire 08:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Time to re-open this debate, I think. Now that the Local and European elections have been added we have not 1, not 3 but 5 Irish flags on the template. IMHO, this is way too may. My argument is the same as before; this is a template about 1 country which has 1 flag, therefore there is no need to repeat it, 4 times. I suggest a change to the National Elections template to allow these extra flags to be turned off. Snappy56 ( talk) 08:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Whatever about flags this template is too big and has too many different elections on it. Djegan ( talk) 10:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I just added in the European elections, and they were promptly removed as "non-standard".
This template already includes presidential elections and referenda, so I don't see what harm is done by providing the reader with a handy way to navigate between the different nationwide ballots that have taken place in Ireland.
This may not be how the {{ National elections}} template is used in other countries, but since the {{ Irish elections}} template is only used on articles about Irish elections, I see no reason to conform with practice elsewhere. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, this template has been vastly improved, all the elections and referendums are in one template, and it only has one flag, brilliant! I have changed the alignment to left rather than centre because it looks alot better (imho) and it is pretty much the standard for navboxes. Any reason why it was centre aligned? Snappy ( talk) 04:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish constitutional referendums, 1968 is relevant to this template. jnestorius( talk) 17:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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I changed this template to use the Navigation box template and I changed the colour to match all the other Irish political templates, including the Presidents, Taoiseach, Tanaiste, Ceann Comhairle among others. Even the political offices ({{s-off}}) matches. Number57 claims my changes look awful, I think his changes are equally vile. Nobody asked him to change an Irish template and make it look a) rubbish and b) different in colour and style to the rest of the Irish political templates. Perhaps he'd be better off fixing the international series to make them look less pants.
And while I'm on the subject what was the point of lumping in the Irish Referenda in the Irish Elections box, they are not elections so should not be there. There already is a template for Irish referenda and one that has all the links working unlike the poor job that was done of the duplicate one.
Furthermore, if you are going to have an Irish elections box where are the European elections and the Local elections? And when you're done making with them add in the Udaras na Gaeltacht elections as well to make a complete dog's dinner of it! Snappy56 21:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason that the 1983 Presidential election is flagged as "uncontested" while the 1974 and 1976 are not? I am aware that the circumstances were different, in that the '83 election was scheduled and the other two were due to an unexpected vacancy, but the fact remains that there was no vote on any of these three occasions. Scolaire 11:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I had a read of Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags and I don't think it applies to this case. What it is talking about is piling flags on top of each other, like the Gianluca Zambrotta infobox in its example. With this template it's more a matter of asthetics, and I for one prefer it with three flags than with one. I wish you'd discuss it here, though, instead of in your edit summaries. Scolaire 20:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
This template only deals with the Irish Republic, therefore only one instance of the flag is necessary in the template.-- padraig3uk 11:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Sadly this discussion is going nowhere, with the same points being repeated and one contributor having resorted to asking other users to come here and back him up here. Everyone has stated their opinion, and it is obvious that there is no consensus. On Wikipedia when there is no consensus for change the article reverts to its original status, in this case with three flags.
Aside from this, I resent the accusations that have been made against me concerning this template and others regarding WP:OWN. I had no problem other changes being made to the template (i.e. the title being converted to a link or the addition of by-elections) which I thought were helpful. The flags issue is about aesthetics, and I don't believe removing the other two flags is making it better. Number 5 7 21:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
No consensus, is there? A recipe for entropy! Can anyone show me a template (NOT created and/or edited by either Number57 / Scolaire / Nightstallion which has multiple flagicons for the same country? If someone can then I'll bow out from this debate otherwise it will continue! Snappy56 22:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
And Snappy, you promised to 'bow out' if Number 57 could show a template, not his, that used multiple flagicons. He did, and 30 minutes later you reverted! What's the story there?
Scolaire 10:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
<yawn> — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Stanton, I did not realise that you had been invited to comment here, but I have to say honestly that I believe you have been most unhelpful throughout. In particular, to post this ream of comments four days after the issue was successfully resolved was uncalled-for, if not downright provocative. You seem to have taken no trouble to follow the history of the debate — you even split one of my edits in two, and added a <!--Who posted this?--> to boot! Your use of expressions such as "Meh" and "yawn" is arrogant in the extreme. To answer one of your comments, I do not "mistake dismissiveness for irrationality" — I take it for boorishness.
And by the way, if you read
WP:MOS yourself, I think you might see the following: "A distracting, confusing or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. Some editors find it disruptive to discourse on talk pages, or when working in the edit window." Bear that in mind when lecturing others about "in-yo'-face graphics".
Scolaire 08:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Time to re-open this debate, I think. Now that the Local and European elections have been added we have not 1, not 3 but 5 Irish flags on the template. IMHO, this is way too may. My argument is the same as before; this is a template about 1 country which has 1 flag, therefore there is no need to repeat it, 4 times. I suggest a change to the National Elections template to allow these extra flags to be turned off. Snappy56 ( talk) 08:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Whatever about flags this template is too big and has too many different elections on it. Djegan ( talk) 10:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I just added in the European elections, and they were promptly removed as "non-standard".
This template already includes presidential elections and referenda, so I don't see what harm is done by providing the reader with a handy way to navigate between the different nationwide ballots that have taken place in Ireland.
This may not be how the {{ National elections}} template is used in other countries, but since the {{ Irish elections}} template is only used on articles about Irish elections, I see no reason to conform with practice elsewhere. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, this template has been vastly improved, all the elections and referendums are in one template, and it only has one flag, brilliant! I have changed the alignment to left rather than centre because it looks alot better (imho) and it is pretty much the standard for navboxes. Any reason why it was centre aligned? Snappy ( talk) 04:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish constitutional referendums, 1968 is relevant to this template. jnestorius( talk) 17:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)