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What is the logic behind the current set up of the template? As far as I know, Canada is the only Commonwealth realm where the Governor(-)General has a distinctive crest. It makes sense to display the emblems featured on the flags of Lt Governors of Canadian provinces, which include the shield of the provincial arms, but the emblems are not simply the shield. Even if "shield" is a fair description in this case, it shouldn't be applied in other situations, such as Australian states. The emblem displayed at Governors of New South Wales doesn't even include the shield from the arms, but is a crown over the state badge. I am not even aware that this emblem is used apart from in the flag - perhaps using the flag would be better, but in any case, the infobox should not insist on a "shield" just because the Canadian emblems include them. JPD ( talk) 10:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed "The Right Honourable" from the Australian style, in line with comments left at Talk:Governor-General of Australia. While I can see the attraction of automatically generating the style based on the status of the realm/state/etc., the fact that we have to go to the level of country by country cases does sort of defeat the point of a template. Why not leave the style field to be filled in by the editors of each article? JPD ( talk) 10:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've made a few botched attempts at getting the hyphen in Governor-General to disappear on the Canadian Governor General page, but without any luck at all. Can someone with better knowledge of html code than I possibly make the template display correctly on that article (as the title Governor General is not hyphenated in Canada). Cheers. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 05:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create an infobox FORMER vice-regal?I could have used it for the Viceroy of Norway article, but as this template is today I couldn't. One would think that most Viceroys were in the past anyway. -- Nidator T / C 12:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Looking at Governor-General of Australia, I see in the infobox template the following text Appointed by: Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of Australia. Looking at the Australian Constitution, we find, as per covering clause 2 and paragraph 1 of the Preamble that:
In s2, we see A Governor‑General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty's representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen's pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him. [3]
This wording has not changed since Federation, nor has it been superseded by any subsequent legislation - it is the Constitution, it may only be amended, not repealed or over-ridden - nor has the High Court or the Privy Council ruled that the meaning of these words has specifically changed.
Given these facts, I ask how is it that we can say that the Governor-General is appointed by the Queen as Queen of Australia?
Imagine the following hypothetical. Quentin Bryce visits the Queen, and their shared taxi is run into by a double-decker bus, killing all inside. Prince Charles automatically succeeds his mother, presumably as King Charles III of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. However, as the Australian Royal Style and Title Acts of 1953 and 1973 do no more than assign the title of "Queen of Australia etc." to Elizabeth II, he is not King Charles III of Australia, and will not be so styled until a new Australian Royal Style and Title Bill is passed and presented to him for signature. This process will take some time, and possibly not until after the coronation, which typically takes many months to organise. In the meantime, Australia needs a new Governor-General. This is not a difficulty, as the British monarch is specifically given the power to appoint Australian Governors-General. We could not, however, say in our template that he or she was appointed by King Charles III as King of Australia, because that title would not exist.
Nor would it be correct even if it did exist, because the power to appoint Australian Governors-General is not given to Australian monarchs, but rather to the British monarch (who nowadays acts on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister).
The constitutional situation may be different in other Commonwealth realms. -- Pete ( talk) 11:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
The colours in the header of this template, purple on purple, are highly inaccessible, being low-contrast, and fail the guidelines described at WP:COLOUR at even the most basic level. I removed them, but have been reverted. We should make our articles as accessible as practically possible; there is no need to keep this style. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This template was considered for deletion on 2013 August 2. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
What is the logic behind the current set up of the template? As far as I know, Canada is the only Commonwealth realm where the Governor(-)General has a distinctive crest. It makes sense to display the emblems featured on the flags of Lt Governors of Canadian provinces, which include the shield of the provincial arms, but the emblems are not simply the shield. Even if "shield" is a fair description in this case, it shouldn't be applied in other situations, such as Australian states. The emblem displayed at Governors of New South Wales doesn't even include the shield from the arms, but is a crown over the state badge. I am not even aware that this emblem is used apart from in the flag - perhaps using the flag would be better, but in any case, the infobox should not insist on a "shield" just because the Canadian emblems include them. JPD ( talk) 10:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed "The Right Honourable" from the Australian style, in line with comments left at Talk:Governor-General of Australia. While I can see the attraction of automatically generating the style based on the status of the realm/state/etc., the fact that we have to go to the level of country by country cases does sort of defeat the point of a template. Why not leave the style field to be filled in by the editors of each article? JPD ( talk) 10:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've made a few botched attempts at getting the hyphen in Governor-General to disappear on the Canadian Governor General page, but without any luck at all. Can someone with better knowledge of html code than I possibly make the template display correctly on that article (as the title Governor General is not hyphenated in Canada). Cheers. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 05:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create an infobox FORMER vice-regal?I could have used it for the Viceroy of Norway article, but as this template is today I couldn't. One would think that most Viceroys were in the past anyway. -- Nidator T / C 12:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Looking at Governor-General of Australia, I see in the infobox template the following text Appointed by: Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of Australia. Looking at the Australian Constitution, we find, as per covering clause 2 and paragraph 1 of the Preamble that:
In s2, we see A Governor‑General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty's representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen's pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him. [3]
This wording has not changed since Federation, nor has it been superseded by any subsequent legislation - it is the Constitution, it may only be amended, not repealed or over-ridden - nor has the High Court or the Privy Council ruled that the meaning of these words has specifically changed.
Given these facts, I ask how is it that we can say that the Governor-General is appointed by the Queen as Queen of Australia?
Imagine the following hypothetical. Quentin Bryce visits the Queen, and their shared taxi is run into by a double-decker bus, killing all inside. Prince Charles automatically succeeds his mother, presumably as King Charles III of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. However, as the Australian Royal Style and Title Acts of 1953 and 1973 do no more than assign the title of "Queen of Australia etc." to Elizabeth II, he is not King Charles III of Australia, and will not be so styled until a new Australian Royal Style and Title Bill is passed and presented to him for signature. This process will take some time, and possibly not until after the coronation, which typically takes many months to organise. In the meantime, Australia needs a new Governor-General. This is not a difficulty, as the British monarch is specifically given the power to appoint Australian Governors-General. We could not, however, say in our template that he or she was appointed by King Charles III as King of Australia, because that title would not exist.
Nor would it be correct even if it did exist, because the power to appoint Australian Governors-General is not given to Australian monarchs, but rather to the British monarch (who nowadays acts on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister).
The constitutional situation may be different in other Commonwealth realms. -- Pete ( talk) 11:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
The colours in the header of this template, purple on purple, are highly inaccessible, being low-contrast, and fail the guidelines described at WP:COLOUR at even the most basic level. I removed them, but have been reverted. We should make our articles as accessible as practically possible; there is no need to keep this style. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)