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The logo is currently at the bottom of the infobox and looks really out of place. It should be moved above the image at the top of the infobox, after the the title. This would also make it the same as Template:Infobox school GeekInParadise ( talk) 21:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
a lead image of the institution's official seal or coat of arms and an image at the bottom of the institution's wordmark, and this seems more balanced if the wordmark is at the bottom. -- Muhandes ( talk) 12:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hello! The logo used in this infobox is quite old. SKEMA Business School has a new logo. Can you please update the old logo and add the new one? The new logo can be found on the school's website https://www.skema.edu/. Thanks! Wander Writer ( talk) 16:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify what the "sports" and "athletics" parameters are supposed to be used for? I see in the archive that they're synonyms with one added later to account for regional differences in language but I'm still not clear on exactly what the parameter is supposed to be used for. The language in the documentation is very vague: "Primary university sports." What does that mean? How are editors supposed to determine which sports are "primary?" And why should we be listing sports in this infobox at all (especially when most or all institutions that have prominent sports teams will have one or more articles specific for their athletic teams)? It seems reasonable to use this parameter to link to the athletic team's article or the the team's nickname; it does not seem reasonable at all for editors to try to insert a list of sports into what should be a concise summary of the essential characteristics of the institution.
(For what it's worth, there are also several other parameters of this infobox that are similarly vague, inconsistently used, and prone to misuse e.g., type, campus, affiliation.) ElKevbo ( talk) 15:36, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I've seen several instances that this parameter has been filled up erroneously. Yes, the parameter links to Athletic nickname but people especially inexperienced editors and IP has been filling up this parameter with standard generic denonym instead of the name of the collegiate/athletic team. I suggest to make this more explicit (List the parameter as "Athletic nickname" instead of just nickname or add a separate denonym parameter. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 07:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
|demonym=
, recommending its use only if the name is different from the sports nickname. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
08:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Haridev Joshi University of Journalism and Mass Communication was closed in 2017 and apparently reopened in 2019 or will reopen 2020. Can you suggest how to use the infobox in such a case? This is what I came up with, which seems icky.
|established =2012 |closed=2017, 2019-
-- Muhandes ( talk) 14:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
|established = 2012 (closed 2017–2019)does a similar job of getting the message across, without using the closed parameter. Robminchin ( talk) 16:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I realize I'm opening up an old can of worms here regarding the choice of using a seal vs. a logo at the top of a particular page. I stumbled across this in trying to edit the article on Carleton College, which is using the college's seal at the top. I'd like to try re-arguing that using the seal in the context of Carleton College doesn't make sense. According to their own internal guidelines, the seal isn't used... anywhere.. except for stamping diplomas and that sort of thing. It's not visible on any of their webpages. Staff are directed only to use it for a very limited number of (mostly print) purposes. It's not on the paraphernalia that they sell. It seems to me that discussion last time centered around the idea that the seal was permanent, and recognizable. In the case of Carleton College (see above guidelines, and search around the internet, if you desire), it's not recognizable because it's not used anywhere except on the page that indicates that its purpose is only for official documents. Of course, we are free to use that image with fair use. But I also think it is worth considering that Carleton College's own guidelines specifically indicate that their intention for this image is not to be used this way. IANAL, and so I don't claim that this therefore changes the nature of fair use, but it seems to me that we're not using that image in good faith. I agree that the seal is essentially permanent, but it seems to me that a current encyclopedia should reflect an current accurate view of the world. It's convenient for an encyclopedia if the college logo is permanent, but it just isn't -- and dropping a permanent seal in instead which is not intended to be used this way seems to me to be expediency in this case and not correctness.
FYI, this came up as a result of a conversation I just had regarding this article, which I'm including here for completeness. I'm looking for a change or at least a variance in the guidelines so that I can update Carleton's logo with its actual logo, rather than with an obscure seal that no one ever sees and is specifically not identified as the logo of the school. Thoughts? WorldsApart ( talk) 15:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
A significant number of colleges and universities are part of a system e.g., State University of New York, Virginia Community College System. How should this be documented in the infobox for the articles of the individual institutions?
Some, perhaps most, articles use the "affiliation" parameter. I'm not entirely comfortable with this because membership in a system seems like a much more substantive relationship than being "affiliated" with a group. Some articles use the "parent" parameter. That's not a bad approach but the template displays this as "Parent institution" which doesn't seem quite accurate. And some articles omit this from the infobox altogether. That seems like a bad approach because it is critical information.
Do any current parameters work for this? Do we need a new "System" parameter? Are there other options or suggested approaches? ElKevbo ( talk) 20:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Can we please move toward consensus and clarification on whether the enrollment parameters should use headcount or FTE? If we can't come to consensus on which standard to use - and I'd be hard pressed to recommend one over the other without in the infobox - we should at least (a) make editors aware of the two standards and (b) require editors to clearly specify which standard they're using in any given infobox. ElKevbo ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I used the Free parameter to add school newspaper names at [1] and [2]. User:ElKevbo reached out to me on my Talk page with the following: "Instead of adding the newspaper to the "Free" parameter of the Template:Infobox university in many articles, it might be better to start a discussion in the template's Talk page to see if it's a viable parameter. That discussion should also show if there is widespread consensus to add that information to the infobox at all."
Thoughts? Contributor321 ( talk) 19:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Archive 10 | ← | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | → | Archive 20 |
The logo is currently at the bottom of the infobox and looks really out of place. It should be moved above the image at the top of the infobox, after the the title. This would also make it the same as Template:Infobox school GeekInParadise ( talk) 21:46, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
a lead image of the institution's official seal or coat of arms and an image at the bottom of the institution's wordmark, and this seems more balanced if the wordmark is at the bottom. -- Muhandes ( talk) 12:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Infobox university has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hello! The logo used in this infobox is quite old. SKEMA Business School has a new logo. Can you please update the old logo and add the new one? The new logo can be found on the school's website https://www.skema.edu/. Thanks! Wander Writer ( talk) 16:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify what the "sports" and "athletics" parameters are supposed to be used for? I see in the archive that they're synonyms with one added later to account for regional differences in language but I'm still not clear on exactly what the parameter is supposed to be used for. The language in the documentation is very vague: "Primary university sports." What does that mean? How are editors supposed to determine which sports are "primary?" And why should we be listing sports in this infobox at all (especially when most or all institutions that have prominent sports teams will have one or more articles specific for their athletic teams)? It seems reasonable to use this parameter to link to the athletic team's article or the the team's nickname; it does not seem reasonable at all for editors to try to insert a list of sports into what should be a concise summary of the essential characteristics of the institution.
(For what it's worth, there are also several other parameters of this infobox that are similarly vague, inconsistently used, and prone to misuse e.g., type, campus, affiliation.) ElKevbo ( talk) 15:36, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I've seen several instances that this parameter has been filled up erroneously. Yes, the parameter links to Athletic nickname but people especially inexperienced editors and IP has been filling up this parameter with standard generic denonym instead of the name of the collegiate/athletic team. I suggest to make this more explicit (List the parameter as "Athletic nickname" instead of just nickname or add a separate denonym parameter. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 07:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
|demonym=
, recommending its use only if the name is different from the sports nickname. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
08:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Haridev Joshi University of Journalism and Mass Communication was closed in 2017 and apparently reopened in 2019 or will reopen 2020. Can you suggest how to use the infobox in such a case? This is what I came up with, which seems icky.
|established =2012 |closed=2017, 2019-
-- Muhandes ( talk) 14:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
|established = 2012 (closed 2017–2019)does a similar job of getting the message across, without using the closed parameter. Robminchin ( talk) 16:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I realize I'm opening up an old can of worms here regarding the choice of using a seal vs. a logo at the top of a particular page. I stumbled across this in trying to edit the article on Carleton College, which is using the college's seal at the top. I'd like to try re-arguing that using the seal in the context of Carleton College doesn't make sense. According to their own internal guidelines, the seal isn't used... anywhere.. except for stamping diplomas and that sort of thing. It's not visible on any of their webpages. Staff are directed only to use it for a very limited number of (mostly print) purposes. It's not on the paraphernalia that they sell. It seems to me that discussion last time centered around the idea that the seal was permanent, and recognizable. In the case of Carleton College (see above guidelines, and search around the internet, if you desire), it's not recognizable because it's not used anywhere except on the page that indicates that its purpose is only for official documents. Of course, we are free to use that image with fair use. But I also think it is worth considering that Carleton College's own guidelines specifically indicate that their intention for this image is not to be used this way. IANAL, and so I don't claim that this therefore changes the nature of fair use, but it seems to me that we're not using that image in good faith. I agree that the seal is essentially permanent, but it seems to me that a current encyclopedia should reflect an current accurate view of the world. It's convenient for an encyclopedia if the college logo is permanent, but it just isn't -- and dropping a permanent seal in instead which is not intended to be used this way seems to me to be expediency in this case and not correctness.
FYI, this came up as a result of a conversation I just had regarding this article, which I'm including here for completeness. I'm looking for a change or at least a variance in the guidelines so that I can update Carleton's logo with its actual logo, rather than with an obscure seal that no one ever sees and is specifically not identified as the logo of the school. Thoughts? WorldsApart ( talk) 15:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
A significant number of colleges and universities are part of a system e.g., State University of New York, Virginia Community College System. How should this be documented in the infobox for the articles of the individual institutions?
Some, perhaps most, articles use the "affiliation" parameter. I'm not entirely comfortable with this because membership in a system seems like a much more substantive relationship than being "affiliated" with a group. Some articles use the "parent" parameter. That's not a bad approach but the template displays this as "Parent institution" which doesn't seem quite accurate. And some articles omit this from the infobox altogether. That seems like a bad approach because it is critical information.
Do any current parameters work for this? Do we need a new "System" parameter? Are there other options or suggested approaches? ElKevbo ( talk) 20:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Can we please move toward consensus and clarification on whether the enrollment parameters should use headcount or FTE? If we can't come to consensus on which standard to use - and I'd be hard pressed to recommend one over the other without in the infobox - we should at least (a) make editors aware of the two standards and (b) require editors to clearly specify which standard they're using in any given infobox. ElKevbo ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I used the Free parameter to add school newspaper names at [1] and [2]. User:ElKevbo reached out to me on my Talk page with the following: "Instead of adding the newspaper to the "Free" parameter of the Template:Infobox university in many articles, it might be better to start a discussion in the template's Talk page to see if it's a viable parameter. That discussion should also show if there is widespread consensus to add that information to the infobox at all."
Thoughts? Contributor321 ( talk) 19:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)