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What should be done if free and free_label is to be left out? Just not putting in produces a template message. Putting an empty free_label produces an awkward space. ωhkoh [ Т] 15:51, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
Similar to Template:Infobox_University2, I think the titles should be aligned to the left. --Kushboy June 3 11:37 PM EST
After thinking about this more, I realised the problem was that if you do have a staff count or a student count, then you probably want the fields indented, but otherwise you don't. So I wrote a subst-able template to help with this ( User:blahedo/gapif—the fact that variables are not dynamically scoped means it's not transcludable, but it's a convenient subst) and then wrote a modified version of this infobox, currently residing at User:blahedo/University. I've tested it on a few different universities, and I feel like it looks better on all of them. To test, go to your favourite university page, edit it, and replace "{{Infobox University" with "{{User:blahedo/University", and click Preview. Do not save this version. I have made three changes of substance:
For the infoboxes that are already using most of the fields, there is very little visible change except that the labels are cleaned up. For those that include only (say) President and Undergraduates, it looks a lot better. Let me know what you think... / blahedo ( t) 23:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I have never heard the term "faculty" used to refer to the academic staff at a British university. It's very much an American term. "Academic staff" is the usual term used in the UK. -- Necrothesp 23:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I very much believe the label should be "Website" (or "Official website") instead of "Homepage"; sounds more 'proper' and nowadays is more accurate--'homepage' implies a single page; 'website' implies a multi-page site. Also more consistent with Template:Infobox_City, etc. Looking at 'what links here' I don't think I want to suggest changing the variable name. Niteowlneils 01:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Stop whatever you're doing. Your new method is horrible, ugly, confusing to new editors, and unnecessary. Please revert your changes and make your proposal on the Talk page. Please read Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates for the myriad reasons calling templates within templates is a bad practice. -- Netoholic @ 22:14, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Template:IrishUniInfoBox needs conversion as well. -- Netoholic @ 21:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Template:CSU_taxobox, Template:Univ taxobox, Template:USM taxobox, Template:FLSUS taxobox, Template:Oxbridge_College_Infobox, Template:IrishUniInfoBox, Template:Univ taxobox Template:Infobox American Universities are items that need to be dealt with. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 23:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC) Update 17:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
another: Template:University information -- Cpastern 13:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
In American colleges and universities, "staff" denotes all the employees, including janitors, food service employees, security, and so on. It is confusing and inaccurate to have the label staff followed by the number of faculty. I assume this is why other editors have created new university infoboxes. - Acjelen 21:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is the staff label above the president? That seems rather counterintuitive. Also, the numbers and data items don't always lign up. Noetic Sage 22:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
At the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, United States Coast Guard Academy, and United States Merchant Marine Academy the head of the school is called the Superintendent. I realize that this is only 5 schools, but these are U.S. federal universities and probably get a lot of page hits. Since this template is used by a lot pages, I didn't want to just be bold and do it without first discussing it here. Will this be a problem? -- rogerd 01:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
When looking at the html source of Dartmouth College I see:
<tr class="hiddenStructure{{{head_label}}}"> <th style="padding-left: 1em;"></th> <td style="padding-left: 1em;"></td> </tr>
Is this intentional and correct? -- Adrian Buehlmann 13:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
You guys should also be aware of the Template:FLSUS taxobox. I'm not sure if other states university systems have implemented this style of infobox, but it's unique features should be incorporated if possible. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 04:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I added an optional entry for faculty within the infobox after there have been complaints about the wording between "staff" and "faculty," especially for North American universities. Pentawing Talk 03:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I notice in the January 2006 history for this template that the label that corresponds to the "|type=" field of this template went from "Type" to "School type" to "Type of institution". What was wrong with simply "Type"? We do not have "of institution" on any of the other labels, such as neither "Endowment of instutition" nor "Established date of institution" nor "Institution established" nor "Name of institution" nor "Website of institution" nor... need I go on? The "Type of institution" needlessly lengthens that label so that it line-wraps to two lines in many articles where the listed type(s) all fit on one line. I would like to shorten it back to simply "Type" on 15 February 2006 unless there too many objections appended below. Optikos 04:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Could someone put in the code and such to have a comma appear after a state name as it looks awkward as Akron, Ohio United States. I am not very expirienced with templats so I would apprecitate one of yall doing it. Thank you. American Patriot 1776 22:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
|city=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]] |state=[[Ohio|OH]] |country=[[USA]]
Shouldn't "mascot" be changed to "nickname"? I don't know of many schools that are identified by their mascot, but I know plenty that are identified by their nickname. Taking Harvard University for example, instead of saying that's that school's mascot is John Harvard, it's more common to say that Harvard's athletic teams are nicknamed the Crimson. Now for Harvard, this probably isn't a big deal, but it is very much so for those American universities where athletics are a big deal (the Big Ten and SEC schools and whatnot). I'm also assuming that mascots are pertinent only to universities in the United States. Universities outside the United States don't have mascots and nicknames, do they? -- Ttownfeen 18:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
If it's okay, I'd like to reduce the width of the template from 25 "em" to 20. I would be bold and do it now, but this is a template that would affect hundreds of pages, so I'm hesitant to piss anybody off. -- Ttownfeen 17:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone please fix the fact that Rector, President, and possibly the others that correspond all have the name of the person indented. It looks ugly and non-uniform. -- Cromwellt| Talk 16:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this. I think the indent makes sense for the student/undergrad/postgrad situation, but I don't think it's necessary to indicate that the head of an institution is a subcategory of staff. And I do think that less indents look better. Cpastern 15:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the campus label not be a required field. I've been working on a lot of university pages for universities I haven't visited, and there's most of the time no easy way to tell what the built environment around the campus is. I also don't think that it's really essential information. It is nice though, so I think it's fine as an optional field, but I don't think it's worth all the empty spaces in so many infoboxes. Cpastern 20:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Would anyone mind if I added a field for the number of alumni, just as we have a field for the number of students? Djegan
FYI, the Australian University articles have been switched over to this template and I've listed the Australian Infobox University for deletion (
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Please note, if you are going to make "Urban" in the campus field a link, you should point the link to Urban area instead of Urban. Urban area is the article you want, Urban is a disambiguation page. Also, can the template be changed to bring it up to date, or are these links done by hand afterwards? - Mulder416 02:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the recent addition of the student body president and vice-president to the infobox. For one, I don't think it's infobox worthy information, and I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to keep adding every possible tag. Secondly, they aren't consistant with the formatting of the other labels. So we have head_label and latin_name but "student body president" Cpastern 15:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
This is intended as a holding pen for old University templates that have been deprecated and delinked so items can be mass listed at WP:TFD rather than as they are accomplished. The numbers indicates the number of items using the template. Please update this list as templates are delinked. Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 17:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Templates for deletion - April 25
Template:Infobox Irish University has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. → A z a Toth 19:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I say 23em, looks better in general. → A z a Toth 17:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
What do the other editors think would the optimal width for the template? I say it should be narrow (say 20em), but AzaToth prefers a wider template (in this case, 23em). I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but it is a considerable difference in width.
-- Ttownfeen 18:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK there are three universities with individual templates for it's constituent colleges. Template:Durham college, Template:Oxbridge College Infobox and Template:Oxford College Infobox. Some of these have unique fields that make them difficult to convert to this infobox and I personally do not think that they should be converted. The main university pages have the updated infobox and these colleges should probably be left as they are. See Colleges of the University of Oxford for an example. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 03:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind at all, in fact I'm quite happy someone finally decided to create one size fits all template for it. However, I must say I liked the {{ Infobox Polish University}}'s design more. Is there any chance to make this new template less transparent? // Halibu tt 05:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I see that the Alumni variable (which was proposed above, but I think was generally thought to be a bad idea) has appeared as a result of the Irish University template being merged in.
To an extent, I think this bears on a wider policy decision: do we want this template to be as versatile as possible, allowing different universities in different countries to use different subsets of its fields? Or do we want to limit it mostly to the most important and universal features, so that universities will tend to have similar data in their infoboxes and can be more easily compared? My inclination is towards the latter, but others may feel differently. TSP 15:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added "profess" to the empty syntax, but it hasn't actually been added to the template. I support adding this field, since there are thousands of community colleges both in the US and abroad with both professional/continuing ed and undergraduate degree students whose infoboxes would be much clearer with its inclusion.
However, I don't support the address and telephone number fields. One of the things wikipedia is not is a phonebook: Wikipedia: What wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information see numbers 6 and 7, not a phonebook, not a directory. Cpastern 18:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose replacing the template with the following wiki only code:
{| class="infobox" cellspacing="2" style="border-color:{{{border_color}}}; width:{{{box_width|22em}}}; text-align:left; font-size:{{{font_size|90%}}};" {{#if:{{{back_color|}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size:1.25em; color:{{{name_color}}}; background-color:{{{back_color}}};" {{!}} '''{{{name}}}{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<br /><small>{{{native_name|}}}</small>}}''' {{!}}-| {{!}}+ style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.25em;" {{!}} '''{{{name}}}{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<br /><small>{{{native_name|}}}</small>}}'''}} {{#if:{{{image|}}}{{{latin_name|}}}| {{#if:{{{border_color|}}}| <!-- insert blank line with border color --> {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="line-height:0.1em; color:{{{border_color}}}; background-color:{{{border_color}}};" {{!}} .; {{!}}-}} {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" {{!}} {{{image}}}{{#if:{{{latin_name|}}}|{{#if:{{{image|}}}|<br />}}[[Latin language|Latin]]: ''{{{latin_name|}}}''}} {{#if:{{{border_color|}}}| <!-- insert blank line with border color --> {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="line-height:0.1em; color:{{{border_color}}}; background-color:{{{border_color}}};" {{!}} .; {{!}}-| <!-- else just draw line --> ----}} }} |- {{#if: {{{motto|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Motto]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{motto}}}}} |- ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[date of establishment|Established]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{established}}} |- {{#if:{{{type|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Type {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{type}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{endowment|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Financial endowment|Endowment]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{endowment}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Staff {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{staff}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{rector|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Rector]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{rector}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{chancellor|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Chancellor (education)|Chancellor]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{chancellor}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{president|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[University President|President]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{president}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{provost|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Provost (education)|Provost]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{provost}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{principal|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Principal (university)|Principal]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{principal}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{vice_chancellor|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Vice-Chancellor]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{vice_chancellor}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{dean|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Dean (education)|Dean]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{dean}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{head_label|}}}{{{head|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} {{{head_label|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{head}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{faculty|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Faculty (university)|Faculty]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{faculty|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Students {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{enrollment|}}}{{{students|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{undergrad|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Undergraduate]]s {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{undergrad}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{postgrad|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Graduate school|Postgraduate]]s {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{postgrad}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{doctoral|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Doctorate|Doctoral students]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{doctoral}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{profess|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Professional|Professional students]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{profess}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{alumni|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Alumnus|Alumni]] {{!}} style="padding-left: 1.25em;" {{!}} {{{alumni}}}}} |- ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Location | {{{city}}}, {{{state|}}}{{{province|}}}{{#if:{{{state|}}}{{{province|}}}| }}{{{country}}} {{#if:{{{coor|}}}|({{{coor}}})}} |- {{#if:{{{address|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Address {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{address}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{telephone|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Telephone {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{telephone}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{campus|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Campus {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{campus}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{free_label|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} {{{free_label}}} {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{free|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{colors|}}}{{{colours|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[School colors|Colo{{#if:{{{colours|}}}|u}}rs]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{colors|}}}{{{colours|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{nickname|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Athletic nickname|Nickname]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{nickname}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{mascot|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Mascot]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{mascot}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{affiliations|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Affiliations {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{affiliations}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{website|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Website]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{website}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{logo|}}}| {{!}} colspan="2" {{{logo}}}}} |- | colspan="2" style="font-size: smaller;color={{{value_color}}" |{{{footnotes|}}} |}<noinclude> {{esoteric}} [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Infobox templates|University]] [[ko:Template:대학 정보]] [[fr:Modèle:Université]] </noinclude>
It is exactly the same infobox (except you can use province or state, and Alumni is lower down and does not depend on the staff variable), but with the following optional formatting options:
The existing template is quite a bit more difficult to follow because comments are needed to split out onto different lines. If you oppose some or all of the new options, but would agree to removing the HTML tags for a wiki-only table, please specify your preferences. -- Usgnus 02:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm encountering a number of colleges and universities with "professional" in their infobox. This should be put into the new infobox. Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 13:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I converted the template to the new wiki-only table. I spot checked a few universities, and so far so good. -- Usgnus 17:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
On Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, there is extra indent room in front of the "President" and "undergraduates" data cells. I figured out why - it's because they are indented as in an outline. "President" comes under "Staff" and "Undergraduates" comes under "Students". Unfortunately, this looks weird if you don't have more than just the one subitem. If there any way that a noindent flag could be added? Does the wikicode #if support boolean logic?
I looked around the ACC and this makes the formatting look bad on Clemson, Duke, and Miami.
You have to see one like GT or NCSU where both undergrads and grads are listed to even figure out what is going on.
Anyway, would it be possible for someone who knows wikicode a heckuva lot better than I do to make a way to remove the indentation?
BigDT 16:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of spacing quirks, something weird is happening with the location field. See University of the Philippines Los Baños, where there's a line break between Los and Banos. I had noticed this at least once before on another page. Cpastern 17:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I have been working on standardizing the categories within Category:Educational institutions by year of establishment, by creating and/or updating the appropriate century, decade, and year categories/subcategories - see for example Category:Educational institutions established in 1998. Is there any simple way of getting the Template:Infobox University to magically add the Category:Educational institutions established in year-whatever tag to the articles that it is invoked upon? j-beda 16:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we shouldn't do this. There is a definite benefit to having editors see the category(ies) explicitly. -- Usgnus 19:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me if this has been discussed previously. My question relates specifically to the "Type" attribute of this infobox. It seems to be a poorly defined attribute mixing governance with other poorly defined descriptors. I recognize that this may be intentional to ensure this infobox is applicable to all institutions of higher education. I also recognize that this is greatly complicated by the lack of international classification standards.
Would it be possible or desirable to:
-- ElKevbo 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Currently "postgraduate" links to Graduate school. I think Postgraduate education would be a more appropriate link, rather than a very US specific one. Timrollpickering 16:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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What should be done if free and free_label is to be left out? Just not putting in produces a template message. Putting an empty free_label produces an awkward space. ωhkoh [ Т] 15:51, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
Similar to Template:Infobox_University2, I think the titles should be aligned to the left. --Kushboy June 3 11:37 PM EST
After thinking about this more, I realised the problem was that if you do have a staff count or a student count, then you probably want the fields indented, but otherwise you don't. So I wrote a subst-able template to help with this ( User:blahedo/gapif—the fact that variables are not dynamically scoped means it's not transcludable, but it's a convenient subst) and then wrote a modified version of this infobox, currently residing at User:blahedo/University. I've tested it on a few different universities, and I feel like it looks better on all of them. To test, go to your favourite university page, edit it, and replace "{{Infobox University" with "{{User:blahedo/University", and click Preview. Do not save this version. I have made three changes of substance:
For the infoboxes that are already using most of the fields, there is very little visible change except that the labels are cleaned up. For those that include only (say) President and Undergraduates, it looks a lot better. Let me know what you think... / blahedo ( t) 23:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I have never heard the term "faculty" used to refer to the academic staff at a British university. It's very much an American term. "Academic staff" is the usual term used in the UK. -- Necrothesp 23:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I very much believe the label should be "Website" (or "Official website") instead of "Homepage"; sounds more 'proper' and nowadays is more accurate--'homepage' implies a single page; 'website' implies a multi-page site. Also more consistent with Template:Infobox_City, etc. Looking at 'what links here' I don't think I want to suggest changing the variable name. Niteowlneils 01:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Stop whatever you're doing. Your new method is horrible, ugly, confusing to new editors, and unnecessary. Please revert your changes and make your proposal on the Talk page. Please read Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates for the myriad reasons calling templates within templates is a bad practice. -- Netoholic @ 22:14, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Template:IrishUniInfoBox needs conversion as well. -- Netoholic @ 21:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Template:CSU_taxobox, Template:Univ taxobox, Template:USM taxobox, Template:FLSUS taxobox, Template:Oxbridge_College_Infobox, Template:IrishUniInfoBox, Template:Univ taxobox Template:Infobox American Universities are items that need to be dealt with. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 23:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC) Update 17:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
another: Template:University information -- Cpastern 13:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
In American colleges and universities, "staff" denotes all the employees, including janitors, food service employees, security, and so on. It is confusing and inaccurate to have the label staff followed by the number of faculty. I assume this is why other editors have created new university infoboxes. - Acjelen 21:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is the staff label above the president? That seems rather counterintuitive. Also, the numbers and data items don't always lign up. Noetic Sage 22:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
At the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, United States Coast Guard Academy, and United States Merchant Marine Academy the head of the school is called the Superintendent. I realize that this is only 5 schools, but these are U.S. federal universities and probably get a lot of page hits. Since this template is used by a lot pages, I didn't want to just be bold and do it without first discussing it here. Will this be a problem? -- rogerd 01:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
When looking at the html source of Dartmouth College I see:
<tr class="hiddenStructure{{{head_label}}}"> <th style="padding-left: 1em;"></th> <td style="padding-left: 1em;"></td> </tr>
Is this intentional and correct? -- Adrian Buehlmann 13:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
You guys should also be aware of the Template:FLSUS taxobox. I'm not sure if other states university systems have implemented this style of infobox, but it's unique features should be incorporated if possible. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 04:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I added an optional entry for faculty within the infobox after there have been complaints about the wording between "staff" and "faculty," especially for North American universities. Pentawing Talk 03:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I notice in the January 2006 history for this template that the label that corresponds to the "|type=" field of this template went from "Type" to "School type" to "Type of institution". What was wrong with simply "Type"? We do not have "of institution" on any of the other labels, such as neither "Endowment of instutition" nor "Established date of institution" nor "Institution established" nor "Name of institution" nor "Website of institution" nor... need I go on? The "Type of institution" needlessly lengthens that label so that it line-wraps to two lines in many articles where the listed type(s) all fit on one line. I would like to shorten it back to simply "Type" on 15 February 2006 unless there too many objections appended below. Optikos 04:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Could someone put in the code and such to have a comma appear after a state name as it looks awkward as Akron, Ohio United States. I am not very expirienced with templats so I would apprecitate one of yall doing it. Thank you. American Patriot 1776 22:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
|city=[[Akron, Ohio|Akron]] |state=[[Ohio|OH]] |country=[[USA]]
Shouldn't "mascot" be changed to "nickname"? I don't know of many schools that are identified by their mascot, but I know plenty that are identified by their nickname. Taking Harvard University for example, instead of saying that's that school's mascot is John Harvard, it's more common to say that Harvard's athletic teams are nicknamed the Crimson. Now for Harvard, this probably isn't a big deal, but it is very much so for those American universities where athletics are a big deal (the Big Ten and SEC schools and whatnot). I'm also assuming that mascots are pertinent only to universities in the United States. Universities outside the United States don't have mascots and nicknames, do they? -- Ttownfeen 18:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
If it's okay, I'd like to reduce the width of the template from 25 "em" to 20. I would be bold and do it now, but this is a template that would affect hundreds of pages, so I'm hesitant to piss anybody off. -- Ttownfeen 17:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone please fix the fact that Rector, President, and possibly the others that correspond all have the name of the person indented. It looks ugly and non-uniform. -- Cromwellt| Talk 16:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this. I think the indent makes sense for the student/undergrad/postgrad situation, but I don't think it's necessary to indicate that the head of an institution is a subcategory of staff. And I do think that less indents look better. Cpastern 15:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the campus label not be a required field. I've been working on a lot of university pages for universities I haven't visited, and there's most of the time no easy way to tell what the built environment around the campus is. I also don't think that it's really essential information. It is nice though, so I think it's fine as an optional field, but I don't think it's worth all the empty spaces in so many infoboxes. Cpastern 20:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Would anyone mind if I added a field for the number of alumni, just as we have a field for the number of students? Djegan
FYI, the Australian University articles have been switched over to this template and I've listed the Australian Infobox University for deletion (
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Please note, if you are going to make "Urban" in the campus field a link, you should point the link to Urban area instead of Urban. Urban area is the article you want, Urban is a disambiguation page. Also, can the template be changed to bring it up to date, or are these links done by hand afterwards? - Mulder416 02:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the recent addition of the student body president and vice-president to the infobox. For one, I don't think it's infobox worthy information, and I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to keep adding every possible tag. Secondly, they aren't consistant with the formatting of the other labels. So we have head_label and latin_name but "student body president" Cpastern 15:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
This is intended as a holding pen for old University templates that have been deprecated and delinked so items can be mass listed at WP:TFD rather than as they are accomplished. The numbers indicates the number of items using the template. Please update this list as templates are delinked. Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 17:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Templates for deletion - April 25
Template:Infobox Irish University has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. → A z a Toth 19:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I say 23em, looks better in general. → A z a Toth 17:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
What do the other editors think would the optimal width for the template? I say it should be narrow (say 20em), but AzaToth prefers a wider template (in this case, 23em). I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but it is a considerable difference in width.
-- Ttownfeen 18:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK there are three universities with individual templates for it's constituent colleges. Template:Durham college, Template:Oxbridge College Infobox and Template:Oxford College Infobox. Some of these have unique fields that make them difficult to convert to this infobox and I personally do not think that they should be converted. The main university pages have the updated infobox and these colleges should probably be left as they are. See Colleges of the University of Oxford for an example. -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 03:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind at all, in fact I'm quite happy someone finally decided to create one size fits all template for it. However, I must say I liked the {{ Infobox Polish University}}'s design more. Is there any chance to make this new template less transparent? // Halibu tt 05:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I see that the Alumni variable (which was proposed above, but I think was generally thought to be a bad idea) has appeared as a result of the Irish University template being merged in.
To an extent, I think this bears on a wider policy decision: do we want this template to be as versatile as possible, allowing different universities in different countries to use different subsets of its fields? Or do we want to limit it mostly to the most important and universal features, so that universities will tend to have similar data in their infoboxes and can be more easily compared? My inclination is towards the latter, but others may feel differently. TSP 15:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added "profess" to the empty syntax, but it hasn't actually been added to the template. I support adding this field, since there are thousands of community colleges both in the US and abroad with both professional/continuing ed and undergraduate degree students whose infoboxes would be much clearer with its inclusion.
However, I don't support the address and telephone number fields. One of the things wikipedia is not is a phonebook: Wikipedia: What wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information see numbers 6 and 7, not a phonebook, not a directory. Cpastern 18:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose replacing the template with the following wiki only code:
{| class="infobox" cellspacing="2" style="border-color:{{{border_color}}}; width:{{{box_width|22em}}}; text-align:left; font-size:{{{font_size|90%}}};" {{#if:{{{back_color|}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size:1.25em; color:{{{name_color}}}; background-color:{{{back_color}}};" {{!}} '''{{{name}}}{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<br /><small>{{{native_name|}}}</small>}}''' {{!}}-| {{!}}+ style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.25em;" {{!}} '''{{{name}}}{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<br /><small>{{{native_name|}}}</small>}}'''}} {{#if:{{{image|}}}{{{latin_name|}}}| {{#if:{{{border_color|}}}| <!-- insert blank line with border color --> {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="line-height:0.1em; color:{{{border_color}}}; background-color:{{{border_color}}};" {{!}} .; {{!}}-}} {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" {{!}} {{{image}}}{{#if:{{{latin_name|}}}|{{#if:{{{image|}}}|<br />}}[[Latin language|Latin]]: ''{{{latin_name|}}}''}} {{#if:{{{border_color|}}}| <!-- insert blank line with border color --> {{!}}- {{!}} colspan="2" style="line-height:0.1em; color:{{{border_color}}}; background-color:{{{border_color}}};" {{!}} .; {{!}}-| <!-- else just draw line --> ----}} }} |- {{#if: {{{motto|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Motto]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{motto}}}}} |- ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[date of establishment|Established]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{established}}} |- {{#if:{{{type|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Type {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{type}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{endowment|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Financial endowment|Endowment]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{endowment}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Staff {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{staff}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{rector|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Rector]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{rector}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{chancellor|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Chancellor (education)|Chancellor]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{chancellor}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{president|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[University President|President]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{president}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{provost|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Provost (education)|Provost]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{provost}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{principal|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Principal (university)|Principal]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{principal}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{vice_chancellor|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Vice-Chancellor]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{vice_chancellor}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{dean|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Dean (education)|Dean]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{dean}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{head_label|}}}{{{head|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} {{{head_label|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{head}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{faculty|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Faculty (university)|Faculty]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{staff|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{faculty|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Students {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{enrollment|}}}{{{students|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{undergrad|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Undergraduate]]s {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{undergrad}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{postgrad|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Graduate school|Postgraduate]]s {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{postgrad}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{doctoral|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Doctorate|Doctoral students]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{doctoral}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{profess|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Professional|Professional students]] {{!}} {{#if:{{{students|}}}{{{enrollment|}}}| style="padding-left: 1.25em;color:{{{value_color}}};"}} {{!}} {{{profess}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{alumni|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Alumnus|Alumni]] {{!}} style="padding-left: 1.25em;" {{!}} {{{alumni}}}}} |- ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Location | {{{city}}}, {{{state|}}}{{{province|}}}{{#if:{{{state|}}}{{{province|}}}| }}{{{country}}} {{#if:{{{coor|}}}|({{{coor}}})}} |- {{#if:{{{address|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Address {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{address}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{telephone|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Telephone {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{telephone}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{campus|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Campus {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{campus}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{free_label|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} {{{free_label}}} {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{free|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{colors|}}}{{{colours|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[School colors|Colo{{#if:{{{colours|}}}|u}}rs]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{colors|}}}{{{colours|}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{nickname|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Athletic nickname|Nickname]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{nickname}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{mascot|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Mascot]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{mascot}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{affiliations|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} Affiliations {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{affiliations}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{website|}}}| ! style="color:{{{label_color}}};" {{!}} [[Website]] {{!}} style="color:{{{value_color}}};" {{!}} {{{website}}}}} |- {{#if:{{{logo|}}}| {{!}} colspan="2" {{{logo}}}}} |- | colspan="2" style="font-size: smaller;color={{{value_color}}" |{{{footnotes|}}} |}<noinclude> {{esoteric}} [[Category:Templates using ParserFunctions|{{PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Infobox templates|University]] [[ko:Template:대학 정보]] [[fr:Modèle:Université]] </noinclude>
It is exactly the same infobox (except you can use province or state, and Alumni is lower down and does not depend on the staff variable), but with the following optional formatting options:
The existing template is quite a bit more difficult to follow because comments are needed to split out onto different lines. If you oppose some or all of the new options, but would agree to removing the HTML tags for a wiki-only table, please specify your preferences. -- Usgnus 02:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm encountering a number of colleges and universities with "professional" in their infobox. This should be put into the new infobox. Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 13:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I converted the template to the new wiki-only table. I spot checked a few universities, and so far so good. -- Usgnus 17:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
On Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, there is extra indent room in front of the "President" and "undergraduates" data cells. I figured out why - it's because they are indented as in an outline. "President" comes under "Staff" and "Undergraduates" comes under "Students". Unfortunately, this looks weird if you don't have more than just the one subitem. If there any way that a noindent flag could be added? Does the wikicode #if support boolean logic?
I looked around the ACC and this makes the formatting look bad on Clemson, Duke, and Miami.
You have to see one like GT or NCSU where both undergrads and grads are listed to even figure out what is going on.
Anyway, would it be possible for someone who knows wikicode a heckuva lot better than I do to make a way to remove the indentation?
BigDT 16:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of spacing quirks, something weird is happening with the location field. See University of the Philippines Los Baños, where there's a line break between Los and Banos. I had noticed this at least once before on another page. Cpastern 17:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I have been working on standardizing the categories within Category:Educational institutions by year of establishment, by creating and/or updating the appropriate century, decade, and year categories/subcategories - see for example Category:Educational institutions established in 1998. Is there any simple way of getting the Template:Infobox University to magically add the Category:Educational institutions established in year-whatever tag to the articles that it is invoked upon? j-beda 16:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we shouldn't do this. There is a definite benefit to having editors see the category(ies) explicitly. -- Usgnus 19:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me if this has been discussed previously. My question relates specifically to the "Type" attribute of this infobox. It seems to be a poorly defined attribute mixing governance with other poorly defined descriptors. I recognize that this may be intentional to ensure this infobox is applicable to all institutions of higher education. I also recognize that this is greatly complicated by the lack of international classification standards.
Would it be possible or desirable to:
-- ElKevbo 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Currently "postgraduate" links to Graduate school. I think Postgraduate education would be a more appropriate link, rather than a very US specific one. Timrollpickering 16:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)