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I would recommend that information about number of members should have a date attached, and that for unions with enormous ups and downs in their numbers (e.g. the Industrial Workers of the World) numbers at more than one date would be relevant. - Jmabel | Talk 05:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if we also need a field for political affiliation. Certainly in the UK this is an important topic. Most major unions are affiliated to the Labour Party but some have left and other may soon. Many newer and white collar unions are not.-- NHSavage 10:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I converted the code over to the Qif format. I tested it in my sandbox, so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't make any visible changes. But it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!-- Bookandcoffee 22:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
So there appears to be a problem here. Since I changed this over to the QIF format there are several leading lines of white space at the top of articles. Bluemoose found a solution on the UNISON article by putting  (;) in the empty fields, but that's a pain to do. Any suggestions? -- Bookandcoffee 16:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
What formatting would be necessary to show more than one person in the |people= parameter? Johnbtv 21:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Here are a few scenarios which have no clear resolution. I'll expand this as I continue to find issues; feel free to rip or modify this at will. These may identify questions needing answer more broadly than just for this template.
Federation affiliations: How to best display a union's affiliations? What constitutes an "affiliation" as described by the template (alliances vs coalitions vs loose federations vs parent organizations)? Which should use the head parameter and which shouldn't? Should multiple levels of nested federation be listed, such as for national and international federations? When should and shouldn't these be initials vs the full names of these affiliations, and should simple links to initials be avoided in favor of piped links to expanded names?
Example: United EMS Workers – AFSCME Local 4911
Anecdotes: The local, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO probably all have strong ties, respectively. However, ties are less likely between the local and AFL-CIO. AFL-CIO probably has loose ties to ITUC. However, ties are less likely between ITUC and the local or ITUC and AFSCME.
Example: UNITE HERE
Anecdotes: AFL-CIO and CLC probably have loose ties to ITUC. AFL-CIO and CLC probably have loose ties between eachother as peers.
Example: United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America
Notes: This already needs updating, as ICEM has merged with some others to form IndustriALL Global Union. IndustriALL lists UE as an affiliate. [1] PSI does not list UE as an affiliate. [2] UE seems to ambiguously list ICEM (no longer existent) and PSI as affiliates (maybe there's a better UE list). [3]
Example: International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers
Anecdotes: (See also UNITE HERE examples.) The page for IMPACT describes it as a body within a "department" of the AFL-CIO, although it also describes it as half run by the Ironworkers union and half run by various companies' management. It appears to be more of an advocacy, lobbying, or maybe consultation firm, than it does a labor organization.
Countries: How to best present a union in two countries? Should the country be linked (probably not)?
Thanks for any thoughts. If these can be resolved, I intend to help with adjusting union infoboxes across the wiki. djr13 ( talk) 15:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I would like to have the "logo" parameter, similar to Template:Infobox organization. Many unions have logos. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 00:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
What's with the blue colour at the top of the infobox? I don't see any relevance of the colour blue to trade unions and most other organisation infoboxes do not have any sort of default colour. It should be removed IMHO. Elshad ( talk) 21:30, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
This is the
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Infobox union redirect. |
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I would recommend that information about number of members should have a date attached, and that for unions with enormous ups and downs in their numbers (e.g. the Industrial Workers of the World) numbers at more than one date would be relevant. - Jmabel | Talk 05:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if we also need a field for political affiliation. Certainly in the UK this is an important topic. Most major unions are affiliated to the Labour Party but some have left and other may soon. Many newer and white collar unions are not.-- NHSavage 10:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I converted the code over to the Qif format. I tested it in my sandbox, so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't make any visible changes. But it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!-- Bookandcoffee 22:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
So there appears to be a problem here. Since I changed this over to the QIF format there are several leading lines of white space at the top of articles. Bluemoose found a solution on the UNISON article by putting  (;) in the empty fields, but that's a pain to do. Any suggestions? -- Bookandcoffee 16:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
What formatting would be necessary to show more than one person in the |people= parameter? Johnbtv 21:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Here are a few scenarios which have no clear resolution. I'll expand this as I continue to find issues; feel free to rip or modify this at will. These may identify questions needing answer more broadly than just for this template.
Federation affiliations: How to best display a union's affiliations? What constitutes an "affiliation" as described by the template (alliances vs coalitions vs loose federations vs parent organizations)? Which should use the head parameter and which shouldn't? Should multiple levels of nested federation be listed, such as for national and international federations? When should and shouldn't these be initials vs the full names of these affiliations, and should simple links to initials be avoided in favor of piped links to expanded names?
Example: United EMS Workers – AFSCME Local 4911
Anecdotes: The local, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO probably all have strong ties, respectively. However, ties are less likely between the local and AFL-CIO. AFL-CIO probably has loose ties to ITUC. However, ties are less likely between ITUC and the local or ITUC and AFSCME.
Example: UNITE HERE
Anecdotes: AFL-CIO and CLC probably have loose ties to ITUC. AFL-CIO and CLC probably have loose ties between eachother as peers.
Example: United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America
Notes: This already needs updating, as ICEM has merged with some others to form IndustriALL Global Union. IndustriALL lists UE as an affiliate. [1] PSI does not list UE as an affiliate. [2] UE seems to ambiguously list ICEM (no longer existent) and PSI as affiliates (maybe there's a better UE list). [3]
Example: International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers
Anecdotes: (See also UNITE HERE examples.) The page for IMPACT describes it as a body within a "department" of the AFL-CIO, although it also describes it as half run by the Ironworkers union and half run by various companies' management. It appears to be more of an advocacy, lobbying, or maybe consultation firm, than it does a labor organization.
Countries: How to best present a union in two countries? Should the country be linked (probably not)?
Thanks for any thoughts. If these can be resolved, I intend to help with adjusting union infoboxes across the wiki. djr13 ( talk) 15:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I would like to have the "logo" parameter, similar to Template:Infobox organization. Many unions have logos. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 00:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
What's with the blue colour at the top of the infobox? I don't see any relevance of the colour blue to trade unions and most other organisation infoboxes do not have any sort of default colour. It should be removed IMHO. Elshad ( talk) 21:30, 14 April 2021 (UTC)