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I just added a proposed infobox, which still needs some work including:
I'm open for any suggestions. -- I Are Scientists 03:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Thank you! This is great! Here are my thoughts:
Once again, thank you! This is a great help! -- wpktsfs 03:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Strokes is now too high. When I meet swimmers that I don't know at meets, I ask their name first, then I ask what club they are (in this case, nationality) and then what stroke they swim. Therefore, I think the order should go name, nickname, nationality, stroke. Stroke is a more vital topic than birth and death, but less vital than name and nationality. Keep it up! -- wpktsfs 19:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I like it! Strokes should be after Full Name, though -- Lemonflash 21:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added birthcountry and deathcountry. And then I wonder if weight is really needed in this infobox? // S MARTSKAFT | ¿ 12:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I am going to start using this template. -- wpktsfs 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I have done some work on this template which means that when fields are not used, they don't create whitespace at the top of the article. I did notice, however, that nearly none of the fields are compulsory. Usually a few are made compulsory - such as birth date, nationality or (in this case) strokes. There is a comment above about height and weight. Adding this kind of information depends upon how recent the information is available. Some projects decide not to include some such information (particularly weight) as it is not updated by the club regularly enough. You may also want to consider if the three fields at the bottom (Awards, Medals and Records) are too much. Medals will almost certainly be covered by a medal table already. Awards and Records could just get silly for some people. That's not to say there shouldn't be something to highlight notability. Overall it's a nice little infobox - is there a reason why it isn't used? Regards, Severo T C 15:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It would be good if someone who knew a bit more about the template could update the usage and fields sections to match the medaltemplates bit. -- Cowplopmorris Talk Contribs 18:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The medals section can take up a lot of room on the right-side of the page for swimmers with a lot of medals. Would anyone mind if I auto-hid that section? For an example of how that looks, see Template:Infobox Gymnast in usage on pages like Nastia Liukin. Kolindigo ( talk) 18:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In the "Strokes" and "Nicknames" sections, it says to order them alphabetically. It is probably better to list them by the individual's ability (when known) and then by swimming order (at least on the strokes). Otherwise, someone like Stephanie Rice, who holds both World Records in the IM, could have "Freestyle" listed first--she did set the Australian Record in the 200 Free at the Olympics.... Hooperswim ( talk) 03:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
At several pages it's not possible to view/show which medals a swimmer has won, because the show/hide button is gone. -- StevenZorn ( talk) 23:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I recently added |citizenship=
to this and it was removed with the comment "Do not believe this is relevant to one's swimming-related information". I'd like to comment that {{
Infobox person}} (which infobox swimmer is created from) has the capability of a citizenship parameter. I would also like to add that {{
infobox person}} contains that parameter. When we write an article on a swimmer, that article should contain a biography of the swimmer, not just the swimming-related information. The infobox should do the same. Note that the section of the infobox it is in is titled "Personal information". As a final note, this was related to a discussion at
Talk:Missy Franklin about how to treat dual citizenship.
Ryan
Vesey
05:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
The infomation given at
WP:MOSFLAGICON appears to have been misinterpreted at this template - where it says (re: The sportsperson's nationality: 'Do not use a flag template such as {{
flagcountry}}
or {{
flagicon}}
here: see "
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Flags".'
WP:FLAGBIO says 'The use of flag icons in the birth and death information in a biographical article's introduction and/or infobox is forbidden, ...' This does not relate to the sportsperson's nationality. It relates to the sportsperson's place of birth and/or death'. The fact that it has been misinterpreted is shown by the fact that three out of the four swimming
featured articles (
Kevin O'Halloran;
Sandra Morgan; and
Faith Leech) use flag icons to indicate the sportsperson's nationality in the infobox. The instruction should be removed from the Infobox swimmer template.
Daicaregos (
talk)
07:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Most bio infoboxes support the parameter spouse
but not this one. Is that deliberate?
Schwede
66
19:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Should there be a spot to have world records held, or formerly held? I'm not for sure how to go about laying that out if it is decided this should be added. Gooseneck41 ( talk) 16:39, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi. Per this edit another editor has re-added the university team logos into the infobox after I'd removed them. They cite that another sport does this, so why not swimming? I can't find anything in the infobox template guidance, so I've brought it here for more input. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I just added a proposed infobox, which still needs some work including:
I'm open for any suggestions. -- I Are Scientists 03:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Thank you! This is great! Here are my thoughts:
Once again, thank you! This is a great help! -- wpktsfs 03:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Strokes is now too high. When I meet swimmers that I don't know at meets, I ask their name first, then I ask what club they are (in this case, nationality) and then what stroke they swim. Therefore, I think the order should go name, nickname, nationality, stroke. Stroke is a more vital topic than birth and death, but less vital than name and nationality. Keep it up! -- wpktsfs 19:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I like it! Strokes should be after Full Name, though -- Lemonflash 21:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added birthcountry and deathcountry. And then I wonder if weight is really needed in this infobox? // S MARTSKAFT | ¿ 12:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I am going to start using this template. -- wpktsfs 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I have done some work on this template which means that when fields are not used, they don't create whitespace at the top of the article. I did notice, however, that nearly none of the fields are compulsory. Usually a few are made compulsory - such as birth date, nationality or (in this case) strokes. There is a comment above about height and weight. Adding this kind of information depends upon how recent the information is available. Some projects decide not to include some such information (particularly weight) as it is not updated by the club regularly enough. You may also want to consider if the three fields at the bottom (Awards, Medals and Records) are too much. Medals will almost certainly be covered by a medal table already. Awards and Records could just get silly for some people. That's not to say there shouldn't be something to highlight notability. Overall it's a nice little infobox - is there a reason why it isn't used? Regards, Severo T C 15:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It would be good if someone who knew a bit more about the template could update the usage and fields sections to match the medaltemplates bit. -- Cowplopmorris Talk Contribs 18:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The medals section can take up a lot of room on the right-side of the page for swimmers with a lot of medals. Would anyone mind if I auto-hid that section? For an example of how that looks, see Template:Infobox Gymnast in usage on pages like Nastia Liukin. Kolindigo ( talk) 18:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In the "Strokes" and "Nicknames" sections, it says to order them alphabetically. It is probably better to list them by the individual's ability (when known) and then by swimming order (at least on the strokes). Otherwise, someone like Stephanie Rice, who holds both World Records in the IM, could have "Freestyle" listed first--she did set the Australian Record in the 200 Free at the Olympics.... Hooperswim ( talk) 03:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
At several pages it's not possible to view/show which medals a swimmer has won, because the show/hide button is gone. -- StevenZorn ( talk) 23:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I recently added |citizenship=
to this and it was removed with the comment "Do not believe this is relevant to one's swimming-related information". I'd like to comment that {{
Infobox person}} (which infobox swimmer is created from) has the capability of a citizenship parameter. I would also like to add that {{
infobox person}} contains that parameter. When we write an article on a swimmer, that article should contain a biography of the swimmer, not just the swimming-related information. The infobox should do the same. Note that the section of the infobox it is in is titled "Personal information". As a final note, this was related to a discussion at
Talk:Missy Franklin about how to treat dual citizenship.
Ryan
Vesey
05:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
The infomation given at
WP:MOSFLAGICON appears to have been misinterpreted at this template - where it says (re: The sportsperson's nationality: 'Do not use a flag template such as {{
flagcountry}}
or {{
flagicon}}
here: see "
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Flags".'
WP:FLAGBIO says 'The use of flag icons in the birth and death information in a biographical article's introduction and/or infobox is forbidden, ...' This does not relate to the sportsperson's nationality. It relates to the sportsperson's place of birth and/or death'. The fact that it has been misinterpreted is shown by the fact that three out of the four swimming
featured articles (
Kevin O'Halloran;
Sandra Morgan; and
Faith Leech) use flag icons to indicate the sportsperson's nationality in the infobox. The instruction should be removed from the Infobox swimmer template.
Daicaregos (
talk)
07:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Most bio infoboxes support the parameter spouse
but not this one. Is that deliberate?
Schwede
66
19:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Should there be a spot to have world records held, or formerly held? I'm not for sure how to go about laying that out if it is decided this should be added. Gooseneck41 ( talk) 16:39, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi. Per this edit another editor has re-added the university team logos into the infobox after I'd removed them. They cite that another sport does this, so why not swimming? I can't find anything in the infobox template guidance, so I've brought it here for more input. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)