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This template was considered for deletion on 18 April 2010. The result of the discussion was "keep for now". |
This template was considered for deletion on 29 November 2010. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
Can we talk about which of the excessive family parameters should be removed? Personally I'd set the limit at 3 generations back max. I don't think there's any encyclopaedic value in great great aunts and the ilk. I might even go a bit further and say that while great grandparents are okay, great aunts and uncles might be pushing it. I'd also probably cut off at 'cousins' and lose all the once, twice, three times (a lady) removeds. As ever, open to other opinions though :) Frickative 22:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Please let me do it, at least to top James William Branning from being added! anemoneprojectors talk 15:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently discovered this new template, it's brilliant by the way, and want to start using it in articles for Coronation Street. I'm just a bit bothered about the colouring, I like that with the soap character template, every soap can have it's own identity. Most notably EastEnders being blue, Corrie yellow and Emmerdale green. Anyone willing to change it? Ooh, Fruity ( talk) 17:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
|colour=
or |color=
. Blue is the default, so I don't need to change all the EastEnders and Neighbours pages.
anemoneprojectors
talk 21:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Does anyone have any idea what the classification param is for. There no mention in the docs about its usage. -- WOSlinker ( talk) 12:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey. For a long time now the addition of middle names, often without a source happens for these fictional characters. I don't think they should be in the first line because it's such in-universe information. One character as a good example is Mercedes Fisher which makes her first line read .. "Mercedes Maria Theresa Immaculata Fisher (née McQueen; previously Owen) is a fictional character", Half of the time there is no source that these are true and the spelling too. Could it be included in the Alias section. Thinking of it as "the nation know the character as this" and Alias, "Inuniverse/the characters, the character it's self knows it's full middle name is this" sort of thing. IMO it's pointless info, thats never referenced IRL, perhaps once refered to at a wedding on-screen... or the other thing, a NEW field be introduced to house these. (If you don't think they should be included what so ever anywhere, please say.) RAIN..the..ONE HOTLINE 13:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
This edit [1] (which seems to be fine - opening "Family" does indeed show "Romances Tanya Branning") and this previous edit [2] on the first user's talk page led me to investigate a bit further here. It appears that the template documentation doesn't say that the template accepts romances, but the template source does. Hence, I haven't reverted the first edit, since it is both accurate and fine according to this current template, even though undocumented. Thoughts anyone? Stephenb (Talk) 19:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Infobox soap character + Infobox character don't use these fields. There was a big discussion in the past. I suggest that we remove them. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 13:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It would seem that all the soap opera's using this infobox have opted out of using romances because it is trivial info and does not aid the general readers knowledge. I think that as EastEnders, Neighbours, Home and Away, Hollyoaks and Coronation Street do not use it, no one edits Emmerdale - it could be removed now. Another one I'd like discuss is Cause of death - what does that really do? These are fictional characters and it is never used in anycase. RaintheOne BAM 03:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
So that is Cause of Death out the window, can someone remove it from the template? Are we sure we want to remove Romances aswell then - there has been a bit of here and there over that one. RaintheOne BAM 05:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I find it weird how there's stepfather, stepmother, stepsons and stepdaughters listed but not stepbrothers and sisters, so can this be added? It's within the actual immediate step family reach so I don't see any reason why not personally but I got told I had to discuss this matter so.. discuss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Libby'smummy ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
For defunct soaps, the classification should say for characters in the final episode, 'Final; regular'. I did that for Dale Smith and Callum Stone from The Bill as they were both in the final episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boushenheiser ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I removed the nowrap from this line as it was pushing the text of some infoboxes over to the right too much, and I don't think it should matter too much as the spin-offs line is the last line in that section. The other idea I had was to just call it "spin-offs" but I didn't think that made sense. – Anemone Projectors– 17:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The standard infobox is Template:Infobox soap character. Template:Infobox soap character 2 should only be used for EastEnders characters. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 13:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Maybe I am confused of what you suggest or maybe I don't write it explicitly: I suggest that we keep Template:Infobox soap character 2 or not at all. In any case replace it for non-EastEnders characters. Certainly, not extend its use to more characters. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 14:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged the two templates for a merger, so there can be a centralised discussion at the TfD page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
What are the differences between the two these days? Rain the 1 20:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello there. Has the general opinion on the inclusion of date of births and death altered at all? I really dislike them as the characters are not real. I think in most cases, this information is subject to change. Birth dates are changed to suit. The actual dates these occur are also a problem. You will have IP's adding original research - an episode is not always set on the date it airs. Just you try telling an unregistered visitor that - they do not listen to any explanation given. Even hidden notes are cast aside. Is it really worth the hassle and how encyclopedic is a made up date that rarely has any handle on development and notable storylines? Rain the 1 20:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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This template was considered for deletion on 18 April 2010. The result of the discussion was "keep for now". |
This template was considered for deletion on 29 November 2010. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
Can we talk about which of the excessive family parameters should be removed? Personally I'd set the limit at 3 generations back max. I don't think there's any encyclopaedic value in great great aunts and the ilk. I might even go a bit further and say that while great grandparents are okay, great aunts and uncles might be pushing it. I'd also probably cut off at 'cousins' and lose all the once, twice, three times (a lady) removeds. As ever, open to other opinions though :) Frickative 22:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Please let me do it, at least to top James William Branning from being added! anemoneprojectors talk 15:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I recently discovered this new template, it's brilliant by the way, and want to start using it in articles for Coronation Street. I'm just a bit bothered about the colouring, I like that with the soap character template, every soap can have it's own identity. Most notably EastEnders being blue, Corrie yellow and Emmerdale green. Anyone willing to change it? Ooh, Fruity ( talk) 17:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
|colour=
or |color=
. Blue is the default, so I don't need to change all the EastEnders and Neighbours pages.
anemoneprojectors
talk 21:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Does anyone have any idea what the classification param is for. There no mention in the docs about its usage. -- WOSlinker ( talk) 12:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey. For a long time now the addition of middle names, often without a source happens for these fictional characters. I don't think they should be in the first line because it's such in-universe information. One character as a good example is Mercedes Fisher which makes her first line read .. "Mercedes Maria Theresa Immaculata Fisher (née McQueen; previously Owen) is a fictional character", Half of the time there is no source that these are true and the spelling too. Could it be included in the Alias section. Thinking of it as "the nation know the character as this" and Alias, "Inuniverse/the characters, the character it's self knows it's full middle name is this" sort of thing. IMO it's pointless info, thats never referenced IRL, perhaps once refered to at a wedding on-screen... or the other thing, a NEW field be introduced to house these. (If you don't think they should be included what so ever anywhere, please say.) RAIN..the..ONE HOTLINE 13:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
This edit [1] (which seems to be fine - opening "Family" does indeed show "Romances Tanya Branning") and this previous edit [2] on the first user's talk page led me to investigate a bit further here. It appears that the template documentation doesn't say that the template accepts romances, but the template source does. Hence, I haven't reverted the first edit, since it is both accurate and fine according to this current template, even though undocumented. Thoughts anyone? Stephenb (Talk) 19:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Infobox soap character + Infobox character don't use these fields. There was a big discussion in the past. I suggest that we remove them. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 13:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It would seem that all the soap opera's using this infobox have opted out of using romances because it is trivial info and does not aid the general readers knowledge. I think that as EastEnders, Neighbours, Home and Away, Hollyoaks and Coronation Street do not use it, no one edits Emmerdale - it could be removed now. Another one I'd like discuss is Cause of death - what does that really do? These are fictional characters and it is never used in anycase. RaintheOne BAM 03:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
So that is Cause of Death out the window, can someone remove it from the template? Are we sure we want to remove Romances aswell then - there has been a bit of here and there over that one. RaintheOne BAM 05:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I find it weird how there's stepfather, stepmother, stepsons and stepdaughters listed but not stepbrothers and sisters, so can this be added? It's within the actual immediate step family reach so I don't see any reason why not personally but I got told I had to discuss this matter so.. discuss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Libby'smummy ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
For defunct soaps, the classification should say for characters in the final episode, 'Final; regular'. I did that for Dale Smith and Callum Stone from The Bill as they were both in the final episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boushenheiser ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I removed the nowrap from this line as it was pushing the text of some infoboxes over to the right too much, and I don't think it should matter too much as the spin-offs line is the last line in that section. The other idea I had was to just call it "spin-offs" but I didn't think that made sense. – Anemone Projectors– 17:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The standard infobox is Template:Infobox soap character. Template:Infobox soap character 2 should only be used for EastEnders characters. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 13:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Maybe I am confused of what you suggest or maybe I don't write it explicitly: I suggest that we keep Template:Infobox soap character 2 or not at all. In any case replace it for non-EastEnders characters. Certainly, not extend its use to more characters. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 14:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged the two templates for a merger, so there can be a centralised discussion at the TfD page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
What are the differences between the two these days? Rain the 1 20:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello there. Has the general opinion on the inclusion of date of births and death altered at all? I really dislike them as the characters are not real. I think in most cases, this information is subject to change. Birth dates are changed to suit. The actual dates these occur are also a problem. You will have IP's adding original research - an episode is not always set on the date it airs. Just you try telling an unregistered visitor that - they do not listen to any explanation given. Even hidden notes are cast aside. Is it really worth the hassle and how encyclopedic is a made up date that rarely has any handle on development and notable storylines? Rain the 1 20:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)