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Sunshine Village | |
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Sunshine Village ski resort | |
Location | Alberta, Canada |
Nearest major city | Banff, Alberta |
Coordinates | 51°04′43″N 115°46′56″W / 51.07861°N 115.78222°W |
Top elevation | 2730m |
Base elevation | 1660m |
Skiable area | 13.6 km² |
Trails | 107 |
Longest run | 4 km |
Lift system | 1
gondola lift 8 chairlifts |
Snowfall | 9 m |
Snowmaking | 100% |
Night skiing | 100% |
Website | SkiBanff |
{{Infobox ski area |name=Sunshine Village |logo= |picture=Sunshine village.jpg |caption= ''Sunshine Village'' [[ski resort]] |location=[[Alberta]], [[Canada]] |nearest_city=[[Banff, Alberta]] |coordinates={{coord|51|04|43|N|115|46|56|W|display=inline,title}} |top_elevation=2730m |base_elevation=1660m |skiable_area=13.6 km² |number_trails=107 |liftsystem=1 [[gondola lift]]<br>8 [[chairlift]]s |snowmaking=100% |nightskiing=95% |external_link=[http://www.skibanff.com/ SkiBanff] |}}
I have added the ability to remark on the resorts snow making and night skiing capacity, which is a major draw in most eastern ski resorts. -- Ubergenius 15:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I was about to create such a template, but discovered this one. The things I had that are missing or substantially different are:
It would be nice to specify the measured units in metric and imperial (or whatever it is) consistently and automatically. The {{ feet}} template does this, so maybe it could be adapted—or used outright..
Undoubtedly several of these would have highly debatable values, so maybe they are best specified as a range. For example, "Annual snowfall: 200 to 300 inches".
I am going to make this template easier to find.
EncMstr
23:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I have seen some variations of this template with Vertical Drop added in. As many skiers know, the advertised vertical drop for ski areas doesn't necessarily match up with USGS Topographic Maps or Google Earth, nor does it necessarily measure lift served skied.
I don't know if we want to get into trying to disprove what ski areas, ski guides, magazines, books, newspapers, etc. show as vertical drop ski area per ski area - unless we can officially survey each ski area, we can't accurately measure total skiable vertical drop (lift served or otherwise).
This has been of earlier debate at the Berkshire East Ski Resort article and, when a compromise could not be found, edit wars and potential sock puppeting took place. A decision was later made to leave the vertical drop/elevation measurements out of the article altogether.
I would propose the vertical drop figure be the published number (as per the ski area, SnoCountry, newspapers, etc.) and be labelled as such ('Advertised Vertical' possibly). Jrclark ( talk) 19:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with the usage of advertised vertical figures. Wikipedia does have a policy against using its database as an advertising tool. I have contributed heavily toward giving accurate vertical statistics to several ski project infoboxes simply by subtracting the lowest skiable area in the park's altitude from the highest. This is standardizable and can be cited by using topographical maps.
Advertised vertical is sinfully incorrect and made with the intention of creating a competetive atmosphere with other ski areas. This is not the case with actual vertical statistics.
Regards, Bill User:Willdakunta ( talk) 18:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you stop levying sock puppetry charges until wikiadmins speak, until then its just wild speculation.
Lets be realistic about this please. Ski area advertised vertical is inherently inaccurate and again I remind the board that wikipedia is not a place used for commercial gain. Its better to have an independent individual measure the vertical using a topographical map, google earth, or state issued GIS data (which contains amazing accuracy). I have never heard of anyone so distrusting of topographical maps. If tolerances of 20 feet are unacceptable then we should request that ski areas give us the source of their data. Personally i'd rather see some guy on the internet miss the mark by 25 feet then trust an advertisement which is off by 300.
We can take this to the original content dispute resolution portion of the website if its believed that topographical maps do not account for citable material.
Regards, Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willdakunta ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys, just an FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/noticeboard
The notice board says citing topographical maps is a reasonable source and is not NOR as it was suggested above. Please read their suggestions, I think they ahve some pretty good neutral input.
I am all for adding an option to show true vertical VS Advertised vertical. It is a good way to keep the users informed and perhaps also a good way to show which ski areas are more honest.
Regards, Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willdakunta ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Apparently, this controversy is about a particular case, so has no place here. There should be no particular policy about the implementation of the template, all information is subject to the general wikipedia policies. Stating here that official vertical drops (advertised or not) should be disregarded would be detrimental to most pages where this infobox trancludes. Please move your arguing to the specific page. -- Qyd ( talk) 21:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The template currently places the coords both inline and in the title. The title placement pushed the infobox down, and causes general alignment problems. It's also redundant, because the second set of coords appears directly below the title. Is this a simple oversight, or is there some method to this madness? Maury Markowitz ( talk) 22:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a location map parameter to this infobox as in "Infobox mountain" and "Infobox mountain pass"? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 07:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
A lot of ski areas are coming under consolidated ownership recently, so adding this to the infobox would make sense. Many of the resort operators like Vail, Alterra, and POWDR already have articles anyway. Gary600playsmc ( talk) 04:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||
|
Sunshine Village | |
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Sunshine Village ski resort | |
Location | Alberta, Canada |
Nearest major city | Banff, Alberta |
Coordinates | 51°04′43″N 115°46′56″W / 51.07861°N 115.78222°W |
Top elevation | 2730m |
Base elevation | 1660m |
Skiable area | 13.6 km² |
Trails | 107 |
Longest run | 4 km |
Lift system | 1
gondola lift 8 chairlifts |
Snowfall | 9 m |
Snowmaking | 100% |
Night skiing | 100% |
Website | SkiBanff |
{{Infobox ski area |name=Sunshine Village |logo= |picture=Sunshine village.jpg |caption= ''Sunshine Village'' [[ski resort]] |location=[[Alberta]], [[Canada]] |nearest_city=[[Banff, Alberta]] |coordinates={{coord|51|04|43|N|115|46|56|W|display=inline,title}} |top_elevation=2730m |base_elevation=1660m |skiable_area=13.6 km² |number_trails=107 |liftsystem=1 [[gondola lift]]<br>8 [[chairlift]]s |snowmaking=100% |nightskiing=95% |external_link=[http://www.skibanff.com/ SkiBanff] |}}
I have added the ability to remark on the resorts snow making and night skiing capacity, which is a major draw in most eastern ski resorts. -- Ubergenius 15:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I was about to create such a template, but discovered this one. The things I had that are missing or substantially different are:
It would be nice to specify the measured units in metric and imperial (or whatever it is) consistently and automatically. The {{ feet}} template does this, so maybe it could be adapted—or used outright..
Undoubtedly several of these would have highly debatable values, so maybe they are best specified as a range. For example, "Annual snowfall: 200 to 300 inches".
I am going to make this template easier to find.
EncMstr
23:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I have seen some variations of this template with Vertical Drop added in. As many skiers know, the advertised vertical drop for ski areas doesn't necessarily match up with USGS Topographic Maps or Google Earth, nor does it necessarily measure lift served skied.
I don't know if we want to get into trying to disprove what ski areas, ski guides, magazines, books, newspapers, etc. show as vertical drop ski area per ski area - unless we can officially survey each ski area, we can't accurately measure total skiable vertical drop (lift served or otherwise).
This has been of earlier debate at the Berkshire East Ski Resort article and, when a compromise could not be found, edit wars and potential sock puppeting took place. A decision was later made to leave the vertical drop/elevation measurements out of the article altogether.
I would propose the vertical drop figure be the published number (as per the ski area, SnoCountry, newspapers, etc.) and be labelled as such ('Advertised Vertical' possibly). Jrclark ( talk) 19:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with the usage of advertised vertical figures. Wikipedia does have a policy against using its database as an advertising tool. I have contributed heavily toward giving accurate vertical statistics to several ski project infoboxes simply by subtracting the lowest skiable area in the park's altitude from the highest. This is standardizable and can be cited by using topographical maps.
Advertised vertical is sinfully incorrect and made with the intention of creating a competetive atmosphere with other ski areas. This is not the case with actual vertical statistics.
Regards, Bill User:Willdakunta ( talk) 18:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you stop levying sock puppetry charges until wikiadmins speak, until then its just wild speculation.
Lets be realistic about this please. Ski area advertised vertical is inherently inaccurate and again I remind the board that wikipedia is not a place used for commercial gain. Its better to have an independent individual measure the vertical using a topographical map, google earth, or state issued GIS data (which contains amazing accuracy). I have never heard of anyone so distrusting of topographical maps. If tolerances of 20 feet are unacceptable then we should request that ski areas give us the source of their data. Personally i'd rather see some guy on the internet miss the mark by 25 feet then trust an advertisement which is off by 300.
We can take this to the original content dispute resolution portion of the website if its believed that topographical maps do not account for citable material.
Regards, Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willdakunta ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys, just an FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/noticeboard
The notice board says citing topographical maps is a reasonable source and is not NOR as it was suggested above. Please read their suggestions, I think they ahve some pretty good neutral input.
I am all for adding an option to show true vertical VS Advertised vertical. It is a good way to keep the users informed and perhaps also a good way to show which ski areas are more honest.
Regards, Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willdakunta ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Apparently, this controversy is about a particular case, so has no place here. There should be no particular policy about the implementation of the template, all information is subject to the general wikipedia policies. Stating here that official vertical drops (advertised or not) should be disregarded would be detrimental to most pages where this infobox trancludes. Please move your arguing to the specific page. -- Qyd ( talk) 21:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The template currently places the coords both inline and in the title. The title placement pushed the infobox down, and causes general alignment problems. It's also redundant, because the second set of coords appears directly below the title. Is this a simple oversight, or is there some method to this madness? Maury Markowitz ( talk) 22:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a location map parameter to this infobox as in "Infobox mountain" and "Infobox mountain pass"? -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 07:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
A lot of ski areas are coming under consolidated ownership recently, so adding this to the infobox would make sense. Many of the resort operators like Vail, Alterra, and POWDR already have articles anyway. Gary600playsmc ( talk) 04:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)