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Please add "orchestrator" to the Infobox musical composition template. Ridgebackwolf ( talk) 22:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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template. I think the |composer=
parameter works well for this; however, would like to hear other opinions if any.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
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put'r there
01:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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In order to comply with our accessibility guidelines, could the custom font size applied to BWV numbers be removed? Per MOS:SMALLTEXT,
Avoid using smaller font sizes within page elements that already use a smaller font size, such as most text within infoboxes, navboxes, and references sections. ... In no case should the resulting font size of any text drop below about 85% of the page's default font size.
Thanks, Graham ( talk) 06:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
| subheader = {{#if: {{{bwv|}}} | <div style="font-size: 85%;" class="summary">[[Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis|BWV]] {{{bwv}}}</div> | {{{subtitle|}}} }}
. You can see an example of what the subheader looks like at
Du wahrer Gott und Davids Sohn, BWV 23. The issue is that, as
MOS:SMALLTEXT notes, "the general font size for infoboxes and navboxes is 88% of the page's default", so with the custom resizing in the above code, I believe it brings it down to about 74.8% of the standard article font size.
Graham (
talk)
20:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Currently the parameters in the template are in a rather messy order, so I tried to group them into logical subgroups and make more sense to the order. I also linked the parameters to properties on wikidata, as there is a constant export from infobox or, conversely, some obvious parameters are missing, and thus it was important to see the white spots in the infobox. Changing the order is proposal #1. The new order is shown in the table.
status | {{ Infobox musical composition}} | Wikidata property |
---|---|---|
dup | name / title | |
native_name + native_name_lang | ||
subtitle | ||
image + border + alt | image (P18) | |
image_size + image_upright | ||
dup | caption / image_caption | |
composer | composer (P86) | |
translation | ||
full_title | ||
other_name | ||
characteristics | ||
type | ||
form | form of creative work (P7937) | |
genre | genre (P136) | |
style | ||
– | movement (P135) | |
key | tonality (P826) | |
new | tempo | tempo marking (P1558) |
time | time signature (P3440) | |
– | chord progression (P6116) | |
duration | duration (P2047) | |
composing | ||
outdated,split,dup | composed + written | |
new | composing_date | inception (P571) |
new | composing_place | location of creation (P1071) |
year | ||
period | ||
based_on | based on (P144) | |
text | ||
new | lyricist | lyrics by (P676) |
new | librettist | librettist (P87) |
should be used
for texts only |
text [text + author] | has lyrics (P6439) |
outdated, dup | text_poet + cantata [printed as Cantata text] | |
outdated | chorale [text + author] | |
outdated | bible [book + chapter + verses] | |
meter | used metre (P2551) | |
language | language of work or name (P407) | |
cataloguing and series | ||
opus | opus number (P10855) | |
catalogue | catalog code (P528) | |
bwv [catalogue, but in header] | ||
movements | has part(s) (P527) | |
purpose | ||
dedication | dedicated to (P825) | |
occasion | created for (P9883) | |
client | commissioned by (P88) | |
recording and publication | ||
ourdated,split | first_recording [date + place] | |
new | first_recording_date | recording date (P10135) |
new | first_recording_place | recorded at studio or venue (P483) |
ourdated,split | published [date + place] | |
new | publication_date | publication date (P577) |
new | publication_place | place of publication (P291) |
publisher | publisher (P123) | |
– | ||
instrumentation | ||
scoring | instrumentation (P870) | |
outdated | vocal | |
outdated | instrumental | |
premiere | ||
ourdated,split | performed | |
premiere_date | date of first performance (P1191) | |
premiere_location | location of first performance (P4647) | |
premiere_conductor | musical conductor (P3300) | |
– | orchestrator (P10806) | |
premiere_performer | performer (P175) | |
connection with other works | ||
– | modified version of (P5059) | |
– | derivative work (P4969) | |
– | supplement to (P9234) | |
– | adapted by (P5202) | |
– | has melody (P1625) | |
related | ||
misc | ||
misc | ||
media | ||
– | audio (P51) | |
– | sheet music (P3030) |
Also some of the parameters imply that both date and location should be written in at once, which I propose to split into two. Thus proposal 2 is to add the new parameters:
Visually, we still can display the parameters in a single line, if that is preferable for someone but it would be better to have separate parameters, both for wikidata export and for for standardised filling and appearance. Also in the table I have marked the parameters as "outdated" that are losing their meaning as separate (this is in line with the discussions here in previous years) and that are gradually worth replacing with others. And you can also see some options (marked with dash) for adding to infobox in the future, if needed. Solidest ( talk) 20:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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Infobox musical composition template. |
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Please add "orchestrator" to the Infobox musical composition template. Ridgebackwolf ( talk) 22:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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edit template-protected}}
template. I think the |composer=
parameter works well for this; however, would like to hear other opinions if any.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.
put'r there
01:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In order to comply with our accessibility guidelines, could the custom font size applied to BWV numbers be removed? Per MOS:SMALLTEXT,
Avoid using smaller font sizes within page elements that already use a smaller font size, such as most text within infoboxes, navboxes, and references sections. ... In no case should the resulting font size of any text drop below about 85% of the page's default font size.
Thanks, Graham ( talk) 06:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
| subheader = {{#if: {{{bwv|}}} | <div style="font-size: 85%;" class="summary">[[Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis|BWV]] {{{bwv}}}</div> | {{{subtitle|}}} }}
. You can see an example of what the subheader looks like at
Du wahrer Gott und Davids Sohn, BWV 23. The issue is that, as
MOS:SMALLTEXT notes, "the general font size for infoboxes and navboxes is 88% of the page's default", so with the custom resizing in the above code, I believe it brings it down to about 74.8% of the standard article font size.
Graham (
talk)
20:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Currently the parameters in the template are in a rather messy order, so I tried to group them into logical subgroups and make more sense to the order. I also linked the parameters to properties on wikidata, as there is a constant export from infobox or, conversely, some obvious parameters are missing, and thus it was important to see the white spots in the infobox. Changing the order is proposal #1. The new order is shown in the table.
status | {{ Infobox musical composition}} | Wikidata property |
---|---|---|
dup | name / title | |
native_name + native_name_lang | ||
subtitle | ||
image + border + alt | image (P18) | |
image_size + image_upright | ||
dup | caption / image_caption | |
composer | composer (P86) | |
translation | ||
full_title | ||
other_name | ||
characteristics | ||
type | ||
form | form of creative work (P7937) | |
genre | genre (P136) | |
style | ||
– | movement (P135) | |
key | tonality (P826) | |
new | tempo | tempo marking (P1558) |
time | time signature (P3440) | |
– | chord progression (P6116) | |
duration | duration (P2047) | |
composing | ||
outdated,split,dup | composed + written | |
new | composing_date | inception (P571) |
new | composing_place | location of creation (P1071) |
year | ||
period | ||
based_on | based on (P144) | |
text | ||
new | lyricist | lyrics by (P676) |
new | librettist | librettist (P87) |
should be used
for texts only |
text [text + author] | has lyrics (P6439) |
outdated, dup | text_poet + cantata [printed as Cantata text] | |
outdated | chorale [text + author] | |
outdated | bible [book + chapter + verses] | |
meter | used metre (P2551) | |
language | language of work or name (P407) | |
cataloguing and series | ||
opus | opus number (P10855) | |
catalogue | catalog code (P528) | |
bwv [catalogue, but in header] | ||
movements | has part(s) (P527) | |
purpose | ||
dedication | dedicated to (P825) | |
occasion | created for (P9883) | |
client | commissioned by (P88) | |
recording and publication | ||
ourdated,split | first_recording [date + place] | |
new | first_recording_date | recording date (P10135) |
new | first_recording_place | recorded at studio or venue (P483) |
ourdated,split | published [date + place] | |
new | publication_date | publication date (P577) |
new | publication_place | place of publication (P291) |
publisher | publisher (P123) | |
– | ||
instrumentation | ||
scoring | instrumentation (P870) | |
outdated | vocal | |
outdated | instrumental | |
premiere | ||
ourdated,split | performed | |
premiere_date | date of first performance (P1191) | |
premiere_location | location of first performance (P4647) | |
premiere_conductor | musical conductor (P3300) | |
– | orchestrator (P10806) | |
premiere_performer | performer (P175) | |
connection with other works | ||
– | modified version of (P5059) | |
– | derivative work (P4969) | |
– | supplement to (P9234) | |
– | adapted by (P5202) | |
– | has melody (P1625) | |
related | ||
misc | ||
misc | ||
media | ||
– | audio (P51) | |
– | sheet music (P3030) |
Also some of the parameters imply that both date and location should be written in at once, which I propose to split into two. Thus proposal 2 is to add the new parameters:
Visually, we still can display the parameters in a single line, if that is preferable for someone but it would be better to have separate parameters, both for wikidata export and for for standardised filling and appearance. Also in the table I have marked the parameters as "outdated" that are losing their meaning as separate (this is in line with the discussions here in previous years) and that are gradually worth replacing with others. And you can also see some options (marked with dash) for adding to infobox in the future, if needed. Solidest ( talk) 20:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)