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There is no good reason to resort to TeX markup for the plus-or-minus symbol, so I'm changing <math>\pm</math>
into ±
.
—
Herbee 22:29, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, I was not aware there was HTML markup for plusminus. oo64eva (AJ) 00:45, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Haha i just realized there is also a plusminus symbol at the bottom of every edit page in the character map... I should pay more attention. ± ± ± oo64eva (AJ) 16:16, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
I have made the last three decay modes fully optional (I hope). Rich Farmbrough, 13:06 19 September 2006 (GMT).
I chaged the halflife, etc. so that this template would work for stable isotopes. I could have changed that color part can be switched with "stable" or somthing. But I do not know if you would like to do or not.-- Shoons 11:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've just improved the template. Please do let me know if there are any bugs!!!
I'm just wondering what rationale you have behind the colours. Should certain isotopes or chemicals be displayed in certain colours? The documentation ought to reflect this. It would make sense to have a colour coding (as they do for animal taxoboxes).
It might be nice, also, to have the option to have a little image to denote stability or decay mechanisms.
Verisimilus T 14:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
How about adding magnetic moment, gyromagnetic ratio, and electric quadrupole moment? Will make a huge difference for us NMR folks. Xenonice ( talk) 02:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Many isotopes, for example, 238-Pu, can decay in multiple ways. The Infobox isotope has the ability to list four different decay modes and their energies, which is good.
However, we need to list the branch probabilities as well. These are listed in the CRC bible as half-lifes for each decay mode, because often one branch is many orders of magnitude more likely than the other.
To do this, we can define two a new variable for each decay mode, decay_halflife1. I had hoped to modify the template as follows, but it didn't work:
{{!}}- {{!}} {{{decay_mode1}}} {{!}} {{{decay_halflife1|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{decay_energy1|}}}|{{{decay_energy1}}} [[MeV]]|}} {{!}}-|}} {{#if:{{{decay_mode2|}}}| {{!}} {{{decay_mode2}}} {{!}} {{{decay_halflife2|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{decay_energy2|}}}|{{{decay_energy2}}} MeV|}} {{!}}-|}}
I gave up after I could not even figure out how to make any change at all show up in "Preview". If anyone else can make the template change, I'd appreciate it.
Iain McClatchie ( talk) 09:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Would some please add a variable for decay constant, , and I will add it to the radioactive element articles? I hesitate because the template impacts multiple articles, and I'm not sure it's straight-forward to edit. Thank you. -- 68.107.135.58 ( talk) 03:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
A case of having the bold (triple ') and the ! used at the same time in the code. Any objections if I resolve it? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
(with small pun...) I note that there is a source of confusion with this infobox regarding mass. The heading says "Nuclide data" but the box itself has "Isotope mass". Thus, this template on the Deuterium page has the mass that includes the bound electron, that is, it gives the mass of the Dueterium atom, rather than the deuteron nuclide. Seems to me the template ought to perhaps have nuclide mass and also isotope mass. Or something... Bdushaw ( talk) 21:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Or there should also be an entry for number of electrons in the Isotope. Bdushaw ( talk) 21:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
In the infobox title formatting, I have explicitly added two NBSP spaces. This is for typographical reason (later more) - DePiep ( talk) 21:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Label | Data |
---|
Label | Data |
---|
-hyphen, nn number, comma, space, superscript, symbol letters
a separation between the two main elements (English naming and international code), the title is more clear. -
DePiep (
talk)
21:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I’d normally oppose two spaces after a comma. In this case, where each title would include two identical numbers, one normal case and one superscripted, I agree two spaces makes the title somewhat easier to grasp. Sandbh ( talk) 22:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Blabla par 1.
Foofoo par 2.
(e.g., wikitable)
Technically they can be thinspace, figure space, ... too. While indenting whitespace can be anything the typographer prefers. So: various whitesapace is a common typographical form, also outside of sentences. - DePiep ( talk) 23:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
none of those are phrases—exactly, nor is the title of an infobox. "Grammar" is irrelevant: this is a title, not a sentence nor a phrase. The examples show: various lists can have various whitespace, also vertically. They can have, and they do. (i.e., whitespace is not a grammatical rule but a typographical choice—all over wikipedia. - DePiep ( talk) 00:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
like <span style="display: inline-block; margin-left: 3em;">this</span>
, which renders as: like this. (The inline-block
is needed, because such spacing does not normally apply to a span
or other inline element.) —
AReaderOutThataway
t/
c
10:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)Since the discussion has stalled, and lack of sensible objections, I've restored the semantically correct single-spaced version. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 12:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
lack of sensible objections. Here are quotes from the other four participants in this discussion:
Whitespace is used to improve typography, the esthetics & pleasantness of texts and reading
I’d normally oppose two spaces after a comma. In this case, where each title would include two identical numbers, one normal case and one superscripted, I agree two spaces makes the title somewhat easier to grasp.
With the single spacer, there is not enough separation for me to readily identify that there are two different elements in the title
Max spacing is my first choice, but the double-spacing alternative is a close second.
separation of content and presentation, but says
generally have no issue with kerning for readability
semantically valid waysto create additional space? YBG ( talk) 05:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Tritium is listed twice in the Name, symbol line in the infobox. Also, maybe the label should say name(s)? YBG ( talk) 15:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add an extra field to the template Infobox isotope to easily provide the numerical value of its specific activity at least in Bq/g (or a multiple value, such as MBq/g, GBq/g, TBq/g...), and possibly also in μCi/g. Naturally, it only makes sense for radio-isotopes or radionuclides.
For instance: 166 TBq/g for
210
Po. In advance, thank you very much.
Shinkolobwe (
talk)
01:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Infobox isotope template. |
|
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||
|
There is no good reason to resort to TeX markup for the plus-or-minus symbol, so I'm changing <math>\pm</math>
into ±
.
—
Herbee 22:29, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, I was not aware there was HTML markup for plusminus. oo64eva (AJ) 00:45, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Haha i just realized there is also a plusminus symbol at the bottom of every edit page in the character map... I should pay more attention. ± ± ± oo64eva (AJ) 16:16, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
I have made the last three decay modes fully optional (I hope). Rich Farmbrough, 13:06 19 September 2006 (GMT).
I chaged the halflife, etc. so that this template would work for stable isotopes. I could have changed that color part can be switched with "stable" or somthing. But I do not know if you would like to do or not.-- Shoons 11:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've just improved the template. Please do let me know if there are any bugs!!!
I'm just wondering what rationale you have behind the colours. Should certain isotopes or chemicals be displayed in certain colours? The documentation ought to reflect this. It would make sense to have a colour coding (as they do for animal taxoboxes).
It might be nice, also, to have the option to have a little image to denote stability or decay mechanisms.
Verisimilus T 14:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
How about adding magnetic moment, gyromagnetic ratio, and electric quadrupole moment? Will make a huge difference for us NMR folks. Xenonice ( talk) 02:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Many isotopes, for example, 238-Pu, can decay in multiple ways. The Infobox isotope has the ability to list four different decay modes and their energies, which is good.
However, we need to list the branch probabilities as well. These are listed in the CRC bible as half-lifes for each decay mode, because often one branch is many orders of magnitude more likely than the other.
To do this, we can define two a new variable for each decay mode, decay_halflife1. I had hoped to modify the template as follows, but it didn't work:
{{!}}- {{!}} {{{decay_mode1}}} {{!}} {{{decay_halflife1|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{decay_energy1|}}}|{{{decay_energy1}}} [[MeV]]|}} {{!}}-|}} {{#if:{{{decay_mode2|}}}| {{!}} {{{decay_mode2}}} {{!}} {{{decay_halflife2|}}} {{!}} {{#if:{{{decay_energy2|}}}|{{{decay_energy2}}} MeV|}} {{!}}-|}}
I gave up after I could not even figure out how to make any change at all show up in "Preview". If anyone else can make the template change, I'd appreciate it.
Iain McClatchie ( talk) 09:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Would some please add a variable for decay constant, , and I will add it to the radioactive element articles? I hesitate because the template impacts multiple articles, and I'm not sure it's straight-forward to edit. Thank you. -- 68.107.135.58 ( talk) 03:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
A case of having the bold (triple ') and the ! used at the same time in the code. Any objections if I resolve it? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
(with small pun...) I note that there is a source of confusion with this infobox regarding mass. The heading says "Nuclide data" but the box itself has "Isotope mass". Thus, this template on the Deuterium page has the mass that includes the bound electron, that is, it gives the mass of the Dueterium atom, rather than the deuteron nuclide. Seems to me the template ought to perhaps have nuclide mass and also isotope mass. Or something... Bdushaw ( talk) 21:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Or there should also be an entry for number of electrons in the Isotope. Bdushaw ( talk) 21:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
In the infobox title formatting, I have explicitly added two NBSP spaces. This is for typographical reason (later more) - DePiep ( talk) 21:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Label | Data |
---|
Label | Data |
---|
-hyphen, nn number, comma, space, superscript, symbol letters
a separation between the two main elements (English naming and international code), the title is more clear. -
DePiep (
talk)
21:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I’d normally oppose two spaces after a comma. In this case, where each title would include two identical numbers, one normal case and one superscripted, I agree two spaces makes the title somewhat easier to grasp. Sandbh ( talk) 22:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Blabla par 1.
Foofoo par 2.
(e.g., wikitable)
Technically they can be thinspace, figure space, ... too. While indenting whitespace can be anything the typographer prefers. So: various whitesapace is a common typographical form, also outside of sentences. - DePiep ( talk) 23:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
none of those are phrases—exactly, nor is the title of an infobox. "Grammar" is irrelevant: this is a title, not a sentence nor a phrase. The examples show: various lists can have various whitespace, also vertically. They can have, and they do. (i.e., whitespace is not a grammatical rule but a typographical choice—all over wikipedia. - DePiep ( talk) 00:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
like <span style="display: inline-block; margin-left: 3em;">this</span>
, which renders as: like this. (The inline-block
is needed, because such spacing does not normally apply to a span
or other inline element.) —
AReaderOutThataway
t/
c
10:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)Since the discussion has stalled, and lack of sensible objections, I've restored the semantically correct single-spaced version. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 12:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
lack of sensible objections. Here are quotes from the other four participants in this discussion:
Whitespace is used to improve typography, the esthetics & pleasantness of texts and reading
I’d normally oppose two spaces after a comma. In this case, where each title would include two identical numbers, one normal case and one superscripted, I agree two spaces makes the title somewhat easier to grasp.
With the single spacer, there is not enough separation for me to readily identify that there are two different elements in the title
Max spacing is my first choice, but the double-spacing alternative is a close second.
separation of content and presentation, but says
generally have no issue with kerning for readability
semantically valid waysto create additional space? YBG ( talk) 05:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Tritium is listed twice in the Name, symbol line in the infobox. Also, maybe the label should say name(s)? YBG ( talk) 15:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add an extra field to the template Infobox isotope to easily provide the numerical value of its specific activity at least in Bq/g (or a multiple value, such as MBq/g, GBq/g, TBq/g...), and possibly also in μCi/g. Naturally, it only makes sense for radio-isotopes or radionuclides.
For instance: 166 TBq/g for
210
Po. In advance, thank you very much.
Shinkolobwe (
talk)
01:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)