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Template upgraded, with rewrite of explanation on use. Some minor tweaks (if hospital HealthCare and Type both left undefined, Unknown is shown on a compressed single line). Display changed from "Affiliation" to "Affliated Med.Sch." as some articles were using this to link to the name of a group of hospitals rather than Medical Schools (groups of hospitals should use the Org/Group parameter), also "Emerg.Dept." expanded a little in the extra spece provided to "Emergency Dept."
If there are any questions regarding the explanation of the template, or apparent errors in the coding, please ask :-) David Ruben Talk 05:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm still trying to work out some specifics for some of the additional features I added to the template, see User_talk:Dhodges#Canadian_Healthcare. For the UK, I expect all public hospitals will point to the overall NHS rather than to NHS Scotland, NHS Wales, Health and Care NI. Likewise do you think it would be better, especially given that 8 out of the 10 locally named Provincal Medicare schemes are red-links, for all Canadian hospitals to point to just Medicare (Canada), rather than just a few being able to point to say Ontario Health Insurance Plan ? (If HealthCare='Medicare' it will point to the correct page for Australia/Canada/US). David Ruben Talk 09:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I know you did several calls for comment & I didn't but I've just noticed the affiliated link says "Afilliated med schools" but several seem to link to schools of nursing & allied health - is there any way we can take Med. out of the link?— Rod talk 16:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
(indent reset) Ok this point been open for a month now and time to make some conclusions and enact. So, to rephrase to allow other than just medical association, and term "Affiliated University" seems have the widest support with just single comment eitherway re abbreviating "University" to "Uni.". Let me know what you think seeing this change live in article space :-) David Ruben Talk 01:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
My thanks go to Alfakim (see User_talk:Alfakim#Templates and parameter for external link, problem with "=" in URL). In case anyone wonders what the problem was, the {{{Website}}} parameter worked well for normal URL addresses. However no value was effectively passed if the URL address contained an "=" as part of a query to show a specific page within a website (eg http://www.cht.nhs.uk/index.php?id=53). The "=" of the parameter value would be interpreted as an assignment operation within the template coding, this all resulted in {{{Website}}} failling to return any value and a blank field would be shown. See Alfakim's re-coding that has sorted out this problem - again many thanks. David Ruben Talk 03:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Currently the Speciality parameter is described as "Used where the hospital is primarily devoted to a particular medical or surgical speciality (i.e. not if it has a broad spectrum of specialities and one happens to be more famous than the rest)". But if there is no speciality of special notability (i.e. it has the usual range of fields of medicine/surgey that any general hospital might be expected to have), then this parameter being undefines displays "unknown". This seems incorrect as it is not "unknown" whether the hospital is primarily devoted to particular specialities - but rather it is known that this is not the case.
Also see this edit to Addenbrooke's Hospital, where an editor specified that the hospital provides a range of services, whilst this is true, it is not what this parameter was originally intended for.
Options are:
My preference is to have default display as "None of special notability" as this will indicate to editors coming to existing articles using the template that this parameter is not to be used to insert lists of routine speciality services provided by most General Hospitals. This I have implemented, but comments welcome :-) David Ruben Talk 02:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Doest this mean that Cardiothoracic surgery and Neurosurgery should be included in Specialty if the hospital is a tertiary referral centre? PM J 22:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to add "Motto" to the infobox for hospitals? How should mottos be dealt with? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jonnny7 ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
I would like us to add the hCard microformat (see also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats) to this template. I can advise on the required mark-up, but I'm not familiar with template code editing. Andy Mabbett 12:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Taking your points one by one:
Thanks, Andy Mabbett 09:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall I put on a parameter for organisation/organization, so the Australian, Kiwi, South African, British, Irish and/or Candian Organisations can use -s- and American and/or Canadian Organizations can use -z-? Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 19:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
"If it was originally set up as BrE, then why is it spelt with a z? Surely thats En-OED?" Yeah, it doesn't look very good on Commonwealth pages, like Dorset County Hospital for example, and it would be more consistent with the manual of style for each article, and it's only a very simple bit of syntax - I'd be glad to do it. Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 16:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Good man! :D Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 17:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone see what was wrong with this edit, which broke the template? (I've reverted, but left my changes in the documentation, in the hope that this can be remedied quickly) Andy Mabbett 14:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object to having the coordinates display in the infobox when entered as "latitude" & "longitude", as they currently do if entered as "coordinates"? Andy Mabbett 10:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
This is my first time seeing this template. What is the difference between "location" and "place" or is it supposed to be one word? Why is one field empty? or is "location" a header? I find it very confusing and not as intuitive as other templates. Does anyone else seeing it the first time get confused? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hence :
Birmingham Children's Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Birmingham, England, United Kingdom |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in England |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = Birmingham Children's Hospital | Location = | Region = Birmingham | State = England | Country = UK }}
Whereas
St Thomas' Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Lambeth, London, England, United Kingdom |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in England |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = St Thomas' Hospital | Location = [[Lambeth]] | Region = London | State = England | Country = UK }}
And as example more complex coding, and note that the city name, as per first example is also "Birmingham" (but in a different country):
UAB Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Birmingham, Alabama, United States |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in Alabama |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = UAB Hospital | Location = [[Birmingham, Alabama|Birmingham]] | Region = <!-- e.g. County or City --> | State = Alabama | Country = US }}
David Ruben Talk 12:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have the template display nothing if the Wiki-Links field is not filled in? That is, rather than displaying See also with no value, can it be rigged to not show See also at all if there's no value? The "See also" information seems out of place in an infobox about a specific hospital, and usually it goes at the end of the article anyway.
Also, the template documentation seems to indicate that Organization is displayed if Country is set to USA; in actuality, it must be set as US. Esrever 06:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
Template upgraded, with rewrite of explanation on use. Some minor tweaks (if hospital HealthCare and Type both left undefined, Unknown is shown on a compressed single line). Display changed from "Affiliation" to "Affliated Med.Sch." as some articles were using this to link to the name of a group of hospitals rather than Medical Schools (groups of hospitals should use the Org/Group parameter), also "Emerg.Dept." expanded a little in the extra spece provided to "Emergency Dept."
If there are any questions regarding the explanation of the template, or apparent errors in the coding, please ask :-) David Ruben Talk 05:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm still trying to work out some specifics for some of the additional features I added to the template, see User_talk:Dhodges#Canadian_Healthcare. For the UK, I expect all public hospitals will point to the overall NHS rather than to NHS Scotland, NHS Wales, Health and Care NI. Likewise do you think it would be better, especially given that 8 out of the 10 locally named Provincal Medicare schemes are red-links, for all Canadian hospitals to point to just Medicare (Canada), rather than just a few being able to point to say Ontario Health Insurance Plan ? (If HealthCare='Medicare' it will point to the correct page for Australia/Canada/US). David Ruben Talk 09:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I know you did several calls for comment & I didn't but I've just noticed the affiliated link says "Afilliated med schools" but several seem to link to schools of nursing & allied health - is there any way we can take Med. out of the link?— Rod talk 16:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
(indent reset) Ok this point been open for a month now and time to make some conclusions and enact. So, to rephrase to allow other than just medical association, and term "Affiliated University" seems have the widest support with just single comment eitherway re abbreviating "University" to "Uni.". Let me know what you think seeing this change live in article space :-) David Ruben Talk 01:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
My thanks go to Alfakim (see User_talk:Alfakim#Templates and parameter for external link, problem with "=" in URL). In case anyone wonders what the problem was, the {{{Website}}} parameter worked well for normal URL addresses. However no value was effectively passed if the URL address contained an "=" as part of a query to show a specific page within a website (eg http://www.cht.nhs.uk/index.php?id=53). The "=" of the parameter value would be interpreted as an assignment operation within the template coding, this all resulted in {{{Website}}} failling to return any value and a blank field would be shown. See Alfakim's re-coding that has sorted out this problem - again many thanks. David Ruben Talk 03:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Currently the Speciality parameter is described as "Used where the hospital is primarily devoted to a particular medical or surgical speciality (i.e. not if it has a broad spectrum of specialities and one happens to be more famous than the rest)". But if there is no speciality of special notability (i.e. it has the usual range of fields of medicine/surgey that any general hospital might be expected to have), then this parameter being undefines displays "unknown". This seems incorrect as it is not "unknown" whether the hospital is primarily devoted to particular specialities - but rather it is known that this is not the case.
Also see this edit to Addenbrooke's Hospital, where an editor specified that the hospital provides a range of services, whilst this is true, it is not what this parameter was originally intended for.
Options are:
My preference is to have default display as "None of special notability" as this will indicate to editors coming to existing articles using the template that this parameter is not to be used to insert lists of routine speciality services provided by most General Hospitals. This I have implemented, but comments welcome :-) David Ruben Talk 02:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Doest this mean that Cardiothoracic surgery and Neurosurgery should be included in Specialty if the hospital is a tertiary referral centre? PM J 22:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to add "Motto" to the infobox for hospitals? How should mottos be dealt with? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jonnny7 ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
I would like us to add the hCard microformat (see also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats) to this template. I can advise on the required mark-up, but I'm not familiar with template code editing. Andy Mabbett 12:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Taking your points one by one:
Thanks, Andy Mabbett 09:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall I put on a parameter for organisation/organization, so the Australian, Kiwi, South African, British, Irish and/or Candian Organisations can use -s- and American and/or Canadian Organizations can use -z-? Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 19:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
"If it was originally set up as BrE, then why is it spelt with a z? Surely thats En-OED?" Yeah, it doesn't look very good on Commonwealth pages, like Dorset County Hospital for example, and it would be more consistent with the manual of style for each article, and it's only a very simple bit of syntax - I'd be glad to do it. Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 16:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Good man! :D Bennelliott • Talk • Contributions 17:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone see what was wrong with this edit, which broke the template? (I've reverted, but left my changes in the documentation, in the hope that this can be remedied quickly) Andy Mabbett 14:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object to having the coordinates display in the infobox when entered as "latitude" & "longitude", as they currently do if entered as "coordinates"? Andy Mabbett 10:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
This is my first time seeing this template. What is the difference between "location" and "place" or is it supposed to be one word? Why is one field empty? or is "location" a header? I find it very confusing and not as intuitive as other templates. Does anyone else seeing it the first time get confused? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hence :
Birmingham Children's Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Birmingham, England, United Kingdom |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in England |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = Birmingham Children's Hospital | Location = | Region = Birmingham | State = England | Country = UK }}
Whereas
St Thomas' Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Lambeth, London, England, United Kingdom |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in England |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = St Thomas' Hospital | Location = [[Lambeth]] | Region = London | State = England | Country = UK }}
And as example more complex coding, and note that the city name, as per first example is also "Birmingham" (but in a different country):
UAB Hospital | |
---|---|
Geography | |
Location | Birmingham, Alabama, United States |
Links | |
Lists | Hospitals in Alabama |
{{Infobox Hospital | Name = UAB Hospital | Location = [[Birmingham, Alabama|Birmingham]] | Region = <!-- e.g. County or City --> | State = Alabama | Country = US }}
David Ruben Talk 12:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to have the template display nothing if the Wiki-Links field is not filled in? That is, rather than displaying See also with no value, can it be rigged to not show See also at all if there's no value? The "See also" information seems out of place in an infobox about a specific hospital, and usually it goes at the end of the article anyway.
Also, the template documentation seems to indicate that Organization is displayed if Country is set to USA; in actuality, it must be set as US. Esrever 06:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)