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At West_Jersey, the s1 tag does not display the right-pointing arrow properly. I do not think it is a problem with the page. Could it be a problem with the template code? 68.32.154.213 ( talk) 11:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC) I had a hyperlink for the s1 tag which caused the problem; solved. 68.32.154.213 ( talk) 12:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please expand (add on) parameters below "leader9" and "year_leader9" to cover up to leader39. We need it for the Afrikaans article Heilige Romeinse Ryk currently listing 34 leaders, but not showing up because of the limited template.
Thank you, Aliwal2012 ( talk) 07:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
How to add 10th, 11th and so on leaders? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 18:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 19:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Seeing the two flags together here, thought to be a unified. I do not think I'm the only. -- IM-yb ( talk) 01:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Fut.Perf., I refer the fact because it is not compatible the second flag with frame information. Readers do not have to face in the context of information, all the former flags of the country or any secondary flags of the country in the infobox. About the unsourced flags, the issue is not related to the discussion here. You can report the issue about unsourced flags here. The country flags should be presented in a separate section within the article or in a separate article. Not in the infobox. Infobox is not a full list about all things. -- IM-yb ( talk) 17:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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Can we add a parameter for " demonym" to this template? Thanks. - theWOLFchild 08:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
When a former country has no flag and is listed at the top then all that is shown is a blank box and an arrow. This is not very informative. In a couple of articles I;ve seen a slow edit war where there is an attempt to put in a name and where an ip is just deleting it without saying anything, Kingdom of Ireland, and one which really shows up the blank boxes Lordship of Ireland. I think the idea of putting in a name is a good one but doesn't look exactly kosher Wikipedia to me. Any suggestions of could the template be modified to do something better? Dmcq ( talk) 10:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
The consensus at this CfD three years ago was to move categories like ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:States and territories disestablished in 651 to the equivalent century category but looking at that category it seems to have been inadvertently populated by an editor working on the Sassanids using this template and {{ Infobox former subdivision}}. I'm no guru at template code, but would it be possible to get end-years to automagically convert to centuries? Le Deluge ( talk) 19:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
What do you think about adding a parameter for person(s) who founded the country?
Daylen ( talk) 16:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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An extra vertical bar is at the start of the link to the coat of arms. The bug is hardly noticeable because it appears only when both:
{{{image_coat}}}
is provided but the {{{image_flag}}}
is missing{{{common_name}}}
" exists but the page "Coat of arms of {{{common_name}}}
" does not exist yet (not even a redirect page)I made up a demonstration at Template:Infobox_former_country/testcases#Washington_family. Quest for Truth ( talk) 18:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
When {{{common_name}}}
is missing, apart from the warning message, the establishment and disestablishment categories will become plain text and appear below the warning message. I believe it has to do with the {{
Infobox former country/autocat}}, which is not protected. So I tried to a few times but no luck. It is difficult to experiment with it because the effect only applies to the main namespace. --
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02:34, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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In {{
Infobox former country/autocat}}, I have added two new values for {{{status}}}
:
Can admin please add the code to make it appear as a wikilink? Also I noted the "if" checking of {{{status_text}}}
can be simplified by putting it before the "switch" checking of {{{status}}}
, since {{{status_text}}}
is supposed to override. Lastly I noted that the word "Values" is misspelled as "Vales" in a comment. I have made all the required changes at the sandbox. The differences can be seen at "Mongol Empire" & "Cai (state)" in
Template:Infobox former country/testcases. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
23:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
|status=
, namely when it's "Colony" and "Exile". Correct me if I'm wrong, but these two cases currently do not let |status_text=
override at all, whereas the change you make lets |status_text=
take precedence. Are you sure this is meant as part of the change? —
Andy W. (
talk ·
ctb)
23:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC){{{status_text}}}
is meant to be free text (can be a combination of plain text and links) to be put near the top of the infobox, in case a simple phrase such as "British empire" is oversimplified and need more elaborate explanation. The fact that {{{status}}}
is also used as a keyword for categorization purpose means the choices of wording are limited. The "switch" mechanism for {{{status}}}
allow it to fall back to display {{{status}}}
directly, but in that case it is considered "requiring maintenance" due to invalid status. Even though I have just gone through a handful of pages that |status=Colony
and |status=Exile
, I found that they don't have value for {{{status_text}}}
. In contrast, a large number of articles belong to these categories are added manually, with |status=
a lengthy text that should go to |status_text=
. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
02:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
|status_text=
or |status=
is still meaningful with how the template is generally used, so I think your change isn't exactly breaking per se. I still want to do a semi-automated check over the transclusions just to be responsible. Thanks for your patience. —
Andy W. (
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15:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)|status_text=
, and among these, ~10 had |status=Colony
and |status_text=
:
|status_text=
is innocuous, or potentially not confirming to the standard. See also,
Portuguese Mozambique, which contains a comment about the weird behavior of |status=Colony
. If your change goes in, it will affect the pages above, as well as ~70 pages or so, I'd guess. These are estimates I'm making without making a tracking category, which would give a definitive answer. Let me know your thoughts, and please {{
ping}} now, since the request is now closed by
Izno and not as visible. —
Andy W. (
talk ·
ctb)
18:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
|status_text=
takes precedence, the appearance of the infobox will not change, see
Template:Infobox former country/testcases#Portuguese Mozambique. Once the template is changed, editors will be able to change with current |status=
to |status_text=
, and set |status=Colony
. If we have to check out all of the would-be-affected pages, perhaps adding a tracking category is a good idea. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
19:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)@ Quest for Truth: I made the category and added the tracking code. Items in the category will slowly populate. The sandbox currently stands ready for a future sync. So now the question is what to do about the articles. I'd like to leave this up to you for now, but if I have time, I may make adjustments so that a future sync will not cause display changes. — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 22:59, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add arms_xn parameters for use with the predecessor/successor states (where xn represents p1, p2, … s1, s2 etc)?
Currently we have two options for predecessor/successor states:
I propose that an additional arms_xn parameter be added to each predecessor/successor which more appropriately scales the image (although the current documentation suggests 20px, I favour x30px instead, i.e. 30px tall; I'm not dead set on this however), while taking into account where it is being displayed, and does not add a border. This would allow arms to be displayed more uniformly and would mean that they didn't have to be coded manually every time. It would also prevent possible errors which come about as a result of manual coding (the most common of which seems to be omission of the link= parameter).
Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 23:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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I have noticed, that there is a small error in the template: if status is League of Nations Mandate (or similar) it says "Trust territory of empire", but there are too many spaces between "trust territory" and "of".
JPGoelz ( talk) 21:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
continent
for world-spanning empires
Spanish Empire uses this template, and currently has a warning about lack of the continent
parameter. The documentation says to list them all in alphabetical order (I can only assume this means separating with commas, in this case "Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, Oceania, South America"), but this gives another warning that the value "does not comply". Looking at the source it seems that only single names are supported, meaning the documentation is incorrect. No single continent name would be enough for the Spanish Empire, which touched every continent. I'm not convinced "
Category:Former countries in Oceania" for example would be appropriate, but neither would "
Category:Former countries in Europe" since European Spain was really only a small part of the empire. Could the parameter just be omitted and warnings explicitly suppressed?
Hairy Dude (
talk)
00:01, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Can native_name be substituted to add a Contemporary historical name. This has to do with an argument I had at the Qarakhanid page, a Qarluq Turkic people living in Central Asia, their language is long gone and obscure so we will never know what the native name, but can we use a Contemporary historical name that historians living at that time use, this mainly being Persian and Arabic name, both having the same meaning which is "The Khans", this name is more likely used with their diplomatic ties with various Islamic Empire near them. I have noticed that in the Tang Empire article, they use modern Chinese name with modern script instead of the Middle Chinese. Any advice here is welcome Alexis Ivanov ( talk) 02:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether this infobox should be used for governments, rather than countries, at talk:Czechoslovak government-in-exile#Role of infobox. Comments welcome! — Brigade Piron ( talk) 20:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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It's been repeatedly discussed here that the current treatment of "predecessor" and "successor" states, by image-only flag icons near the top of the infobox, is unsatisfactory (most recently here and here). To briefly restate the reasons:
Since a rough consensus for a change seemed to be apparent the last time round but nobody has come forward with a solution, I'm going to be bold and implement the following (cf. sandbox edit [1]):
Personally, I'd advise against the latter solution in all but a few cases, as there are very few country flags (even of modern states) that an average reader can be relied upon to recognize without a written caption. I'd also recommend that once this change has been achieved, editors should weed out most of the non-flag substitute icons they have been using on various articles, such as coin or map images, as they will no longer be needed (otherwise they will continue to be displayed, next to the textual list).
Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:52, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that |country=
and |latd= |latm= |latNS= |longd= |longm= |longEW=
are deprecated. What should they be replaced with?--
Auric
talk
18:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
country= |latd= |latm= |latNS= |longd= |longm= |longEW=
in use in this template. Do they actually work? Are they called in some way that I am not seeing? Can you show me an article that is using them? I am asking not to be confrontational, but because I honestly don't see how those variables are currently functioning in this infobox. Thanks.|country=
seems to have been replaced by |today=
, and the lat/long parameters do not appear to display in the infobox –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
23:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
|country=
parameter was present in the template
until January 2011, when it was moved to a subtemplate, but the value of |country=
was no longer being passed to that subtemplate. The country parameter was
removed from that subtemplate in June 2016 by
Quest for Truth. I believe that |country=
should also be considered an "unknown parameter" and should be removed from the list of valid parameters.There is also a typo. |coa_size=
should be |coat_size=
.--
Auric
talk
22:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
|coa_size=
is the parameter used in the infobox's code. I suspect that a clever person decided that "coa" would be a clear and unconfusing short way to represent "coat of arms". I believe that most infoboxes do not allow editors to specify image sizes. I would recommend setting the image size at a fixed value. It looks like the default is 85px. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
23:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
This seems to be the only infobox not using this parameter. When will it start using this param? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 17:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Could we please have a new parameter added to this template? I would like the ability to give the label "Capital" a wikilink. That is, if the parameter is specified, the label "Capital" is turned into a wikilink and points to a given article. Case in point is the article Colony of New Zealand, where the label should point to Capital of New Zealand. At this point, the category Capitals by country has 13 entries, so this could be useful for a number of articles. There's no hurry with this, and if the pending merge with 'Infobox country' should go ahead first, that's fine. Schwede 66 07:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Since there is now an initiative to merge this template with others, I'll re-state what I said in the TfD discussion: we should use this opportunity to get rid of the baroque and overblown automatic categorization functionality currently implemented by the template. All these categorizations run counter to WP:TEMPLATECAT, which says that only maintenance cats but not content cats ought to be added through templates. They should therefore be converted into standard, manual category entries.
One reason for this is that many of these articles are main articles of their own topic categories (e.g. Byzantine Empire as head of Category:Byzantine Empire). In all such cases, cats such as "former monarchies in..." ought to be placed on the category page, not on the article page, to avoid redundant categorization in supercats and subcats. Also, the current categorization scheme is producing a huge number of errors. The template currently checks for several dozens of error conditions regarding invalid, missing or inconsistent parameter settings. Almost all of these are related to the categorization scheme. Problematic articles are put into Category:Former country articles requiring maintenance. This maintenance category currently contains 1,912 pages – out of 3,083 pages that use the infobox. In other words, editors have failed to get the input for the categorization right in almost two thirds of all cases. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
The code for the |image_map=
parameter includes a style declaration font-size:95%;
and within the scope of that the |image_map_caption=
is given the style declaration font-size:90%;
. Now, 90% of 95% is 85.5%, so the font size of this caption should be just within the guideline given by
MOS:ACCESS#Text, i.e. 85%. However, the infobox has class="infobox geography vcard vevent"
and of these, the infobox geography
classes together set font-size: 90%;
, giving 76.95% which is unacceptable. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
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22:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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When an area for a country is provided (stat_area1
, stat_area2
etc), this template currently displays square kilometres as km²
(using a "superscript 2" character). This is counter to the
Manual of Style which mandates that <sup>2</sup>
be used instead of the specific character (see
MOS:UNITSYMBOLS). This problem is not present in {{
Infobox country}}, which uses the {{
convinfobox}} template. Presumably once the two are merged this won't be an issue, but in the meantime I propose that either the ²
is explicitly replaced with <sup>2</sup>
or {{
convinfobox}} is used instead.
Alphathon /
'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (
talk)
16:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
I have ported the image table from template:Infobox country to this template. I expect some minor spacing, fontsize changes, but otherwise, I do not expect any major differences. please let me know if you see a problem. I kept the old version in the sandbox for now for comparison in the testcases. Frietjes ( talk) 14:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
The |today=
parameter is useful for former countries that ruled part of the territory of a modern country, but becomes less useful as the number of countries spanned increases, and is quite misleading for empires that covered many small parts of modern countries, particularly when the degree of control over those areas is unclear. The worst examples are empires that once controlled a bit of what is now Russia. (See recent discussions at
Talk:Ottoman Empire and
Talk:Roman Empire.) So I propose that the documentation should deprecate the use of |today=
in favour of a map in such cases.
Kanguole
18:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
So, here's the next question: How many countries is "lots of countries?" If this is going to become an across-the-board consensus, we need to settle how many countries are to be listed in the "today part of" parameter before we decide that there are too many.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
So, do we want to put in some documentation that "today_part_of" is recommended only if there are fewer than five or four entries?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Should the phrasing in the documentation be changed? TompaDompa ( talk) 17:21, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
The current phrasing, Present-day countries that overlap with the territorial extent of the former country. It is recommended that this parameter be avoided if there are more than four such countries.
, has proved problematic. It has been argued that it's only a recommendation, and as such removal needs to be discussed and consensus reached ahead of time in each separate case. I suggest we change the second sentence to "Do not use this parameter if there are more than four such countries."
Pinging users involved in the discussion above, users involved elsewhere: @ Kanguole, Future Perfect at Sunrise, 3family6, JohnBlackburne, Le Deluge, Panam2014, EdJohnston, Yintan, Vanjagenije, and Lucius Tiberius: what do you think? TompaDompa ( talk) 15:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell the symbol
parameter is currently non-functional. The documentation states that it is used to specify the "link target under symbol image" (i.e. the link to the article about the emblem or coat of arms) but it does not. In fact, from what I can tell, the symbol
parameter doesn't appear anywhere in the template's code. The documentation also states that if the parameter is not used then it will link to Coat of arms of {{{common_name}}}
, which also does not seem to work.
For now I have found a workaround, which is use symbol_type_article
instead, which despite the Warning: Page using Template:Infobox former country with unknown parameter "symbol_type_article" (this message is shown only in preview). message generated while editing, does seem to work. (Presumably the "valid parameters" are specifically defined somewhere and symbol_type_article
isn't on the list; I'm not sure how that works.)
As far as I can tell it was broken in
this edit back in July, presumably as part of the (seemingly never-ending) merger with {{
Infobox Country}}. (EDIT: I just noticed that @
Frietjes: mentioned doing this above, and to alert them of any problems. Well, I found one.) I do not know whether the new parameter name (symbol_type_article
) is important for the merger or not.
Could somebody please fix this so that the template either recognises the old parameter name as an alias (if that's possible) and doesn't bring up the error message, or change the parameter name back to symbol
? If not could the documentation (and error message) at least be updated to reflect the current parameter name?
Thanks, Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 04:01, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
|symbol_type_article=
to stop throwing an error, and by updating the /doc page to correctly identify the parameter as having that name. I did not implement |symbol=
as an alias, because it's terribly ambiguous, and it would unnecessarily complicate the code. There are numerous places where {{{symbol_type_article|}}}
or {{{symbol_type_article}}}
would have to be changed to {{{symbol_type_article|}}}{{{symbol|}}}
or {{{symbol_type_article|{{{symbol}}}}}}
, respectively, and all it would do is waste parser time for no benefit. If anything, |symbol=
would probably be expected to be an alias for |image_symbol=
. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<
07:09, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
symbol =
to symbol_type_article =
then? This template is used on a lot of pages (3226 according to tools.wmflabs.org/templatecount) and to change all the instances of symbol =
manually would be a nightmare.
Alphathon /
'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (
talk)
16:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
In Kingdom of Jerusalem, this template generates links to Coat of arms of Jerusalem, which is a DAB page; and to Flag of Jerusalem, which is the wrong article. Both links should be to Jerusalem cross. Narky Blert ( talk) 15:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
May somebody add a second coat of arms parameter, like is done for the flag? – Illegitimate Barrister ( talk • contribs), 23:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I encountered a page using this template with some unknown parameters, which I think are in Infobox Country.
The template page states it is being merged with Infobox Country.
But there are many parameters of this template which are not in Infobox Country.
So what is actually going on?
Rich Rostrom ( Talk) 20:48, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
former_country=yes
parameter that changes the whole behaviour of the merged infobox. It's not impossible by any means, but the underlying syntax will be way too complicated and difficult to maintain. In my view it's not worth doing, nor is it helpful. Instead, we should migrate this infobox to {{
Infobox}} and possibly modulate components which can be shared between this infobox and {{
infobox country}}, for example as has been done with {{
infobox country/imagetable}}.Articles using this template seem to be put into Category:Former countries in Europe which is very large, and is marked for diffusion. If this forced categorisation could be removed it might be possible to do some diffusion. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
If I understand correctly, the "flag" parameter specifies the link target for an article about the flag.
At People's Republic of the Congo the "flag" parameter appears to specified correctly, but the link doesn't actually appear. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 07:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
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At West_Jersey, the s1 tag does not display the right-pointing arrow properly. I do not think it is a problem with the page. Could it be a problem with the template code? 68.32.154.213 ( talk) 11:57, 22 May 2015 (UTC) I had a hyperlink for the s1 tag which caused the problem; solved. 68.32.154.213 ( talk) 12:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please expand (add on) parameters below "leader9" and "year_leader9" to cover up to leader39. We need it for the Afrikaans article Heilige Romeinse Ryk currently listing 34 leaders, but not showing up because of the limited template.
Thank you, Aliwal2012 ( talk) 07:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
How to add 10th, 11th and so on leaders? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 18:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 19:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Seeing the two flags together here, thought to be a unified. I do not think I'm the only. -- IM-yb ( talk) 01:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Fut.Perf., I refer the fact because it is not compatible the second flag with frame information. Readers do not have to face in the context of information, all the former flags of the country or any secondary flags of the country in the infobox. About the unsourced flags, the issue is not related to the discussion here. You can report the issue about unsourced flags here. The country flags should be presented in a separate section within the article or in a separate article. Not in the infobox. Infobox is not a full list about all things. -- IM-yb ( talk) 17:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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Can we add a parameter for " demonym" to this template? Thanks. - theWOLFchild 08:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
When a former country has no flag and is listed at the top then all that is shown is a blank box and an arrow. This is not very informative. In a couple of articles I;ve seen a slow edit war where there is an attempt to put in a name and where an ip is just deleting it without saying anything, Kingdom of Ireland, and one which really shows up the blank boxes Lordship of Ireland. I think the idea of putting in a name is a good one but doesn't look exactly kosher Wikipedia to me. Any suggestions of could the template be modified to do something better? Dmcq ( talk) 10:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
The consensus at this CfD three years ago was to move categories like ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:States and territories disestablished in 651 to the equivalent century category but looking at that category it seems to have been inadvertently populated by an editor working on the Sassanids using this template and {{ Infobox former subdivision}}. I'm no guru at template code, but would it be possible to get end-years to automagically convert to centuries? Le Deluge ( talk) 19:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
What do you think about adding a parameter for person(s) who founded the country?
Daylen ( talk) 16:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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An extra vertical bar is at the start of the link to the coat of arms. The bug is hardly noticeable because it appears only when both:
{{{image_coat}}}
is provided but the {{{image_flag}}}
is missing{{{common_name}}}
" exists but the page "Coat of arms of {{{common_name}}}
" does not exist yet (not even a redirect page)I made up a demonstration at Template:Infobox_former_country/testcases#Washington_family. Quest for Truth ( talk) 18:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
When {{{common_name}}}
is missing, apart from the warning message, the establishment and disestablishment categories will become plain text and appear below the warning message. I believe it has to do with the {{
Infobox former country/autocat}}, which is not protected. So I tried to a few times but no luck. It is difficult to experiment with it because the effect only applies to the main namespace. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
02:34, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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In {{
Infobox former country/autocat}}, I have added two new values for {{{status}}}
:
Can admin please add the code to make it appear as a wikilink? Also I noted the "if" checking of {{{status_text}}}
can be simplified by putting it before the "switch" checking of {{{status}}}
, since {{{status_text}}}
is supposed to override. Lastly I noted that the word "Values" is misspelled as "Vales" in a comment. I have made all the required changes at the sandbox. The differences can be seen at "Mongol Empire" & "Cai (state)" in
Template:Infobox former country/testcases. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
23:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
|status=
, namely when it's "Colony" and "Exile". Correct me if I'm wrong, but these two cases currently do not let |status_text=
override at all, whereas the change you make lets |status_text=
take precedence. Are you sure this is meant as part of the change? —
Andy W. (
talk ·
ctb)
23:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC){{{status_text}}}
is meant to be free text (can be a combination of plain text and links) to be put near the top of the infobox, in case a simple phrase such as "British empire" is oversimplified and need more elaborate explanation. The fact that {{{status}}}
is also used as a keyword for categorization purpose means the choices of wording are limited. The "switch" mechanism for {{{status}}}
allow it to fall back to display {{{status}}}
directly, but in that case it is considered "requiring maintenance" due to invalid status. Even though I have just gone through a handful of pages that |status=Colony
and |status=Exile
, I found that they don't have value for {{{status_text}}}
. In contrast, a large number of articles belong to these categories are added manually, with |status=
a lengthy text that should go to |status_text=
. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
02:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
|status_text=
or |status=
is still meaningful with how the template is generally used, so I think your change isn't exactly breaking per se. I still want to do a semi-automated check over the transclusions just to be responsible. Thanks for your patience. —
Andy W. (
talk ·
ctb)
15:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)|status_text=
, and among these, ~10 had |status=Colony
and |status_text=
:
|status_text=
is innocuous, or potentially not confirming to the standard. See also,
Portuguese Mozambique, which contains a comment about the weird behavior of |status=Colony
. If your change goes in, it will affect the pages above, as well as ~70 pages or so, I'd guess. These are estimates I'm making without making a tracking category, which would give a definitive answer. Let me know your thoughts, and please {{
ping}} now, since the request is now closed by
Izno and not as visible. —
Andy W. (
talk ·
ctb)
18:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
|status_text=
takes precedence, the appearance of the infobox will not change, see
Template:Infobox former country/testcases#Portuguese Mozambique. Once the template is changed, editors will be able to change with current |status=
to |status_text=
, and set |status=Colony
. If we have to check out all of the would-be-affected pages, perhaps adding a tracking category is a good idea. --
Quest for Truth (
talk)
19:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)@ Quest for Truth: I made the category and added the tracking code. Items in the category will slowly populate. The sandbox currently stands ready for a future sync. So now the question is what to do about the articles. I'd like to leave this up to you for now, but if I have time, I may make adjustments so that a future sync will not cause display changes. — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 22:59, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add arms_xn parameters for use with the predecessor/successor states (where xn represents p1, p2, … s1, s2 etc)?
Currently we have two options for predecessor/successor states:
I propose that an additional arms_xn parameter be added to each predecessor/successor which more appropriately scales the image (although the current documentation suggests 20px, I favour x30px instead, i.e. 30px tall; I'm not dead set on this however), while taking into account where it is being displayed, and does not add a border. This would allow arms to be displayed more uniformly and would mean that they didn't have to be coded manually every time. It would also prevent possible errors which come about as a result of manual coding (the most common of which seems to be omission of the link= parameter).
Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 23:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
This
edit request to
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I have noticed, that there is a small error in the template: if status is League of Nations Mandate (or similar) it says "Trust territory of empire", but there are too many spaces between "trust territory" and "of".
JPGoelz ( talk) 21:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
continent
for world-spanning empires
Spanish Empire uses this template, and currently has a warning about lack of the continent
parameter. The documentation says to list them all in alphabetical order (I can only assume this means separating with commas, in this case "Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, Oceania, South America"), but this gives another warning that the value "does not comply". Looking at the source it seems that only single names are supported, meaning the documentation is incorrect. No single continent name would be enough for the Spanish Empire, which touched every continent. I'm not convinced "
Category:Former countries in Oceania" for example would be appropriate, but neither would "
Category:Former countries in Europe" since European Spain was really only a small part of the empire. Could the parameter just be omitted and warnings explicitly suppressed?
Hairy Dude (
talk)
00:01, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Can native_name be substituted to add a Contemporary historical name. This has to do with an argument I had at the Qarakhanid page, a Qarluq Turkic people living in Central Asia, their language is long gone and obscure so we will never know what the native name, but can we use a Contemporary historical name that historians living at that time use, this mainly being Persian and Arabic name, both having the same meaning which is "The Khans", this name is more likely used with their diplomatic ties with various Islamic Empire near them. I have noticed that in the Tang Empire article, they use modern Chinese name with modern script instead of the Middle Chinese. Any advice here is welcome Alexis Ivanov ( talk) 02:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
There is a discussion on whether this infobox should be used for governments, rather than countries, at talk:Czechoslovak government-in-exile#Role of infobox. Comments welcome! — Brigade Piron ( talk) 20:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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It's been repeatedly discussed here that the current treatment of "predecessor" and "successor" states, by image-only flag icons near the top of the infobox, is unsatisfactory (most recently here and here). To briefly restate the reasons:
Since a rough consensus for a change seemed to be apparent the last time round but nobody has come forward with a solution, I'm going to be bold and implement the following (cf. sandbox edit [1]):
Personally, I'd advise against the latter solution in all but a few cases, as there are very few country flags (even of modern states) that an average reader can be relied upon to recognize without a written caption. I'd also recommend that once this change has been achieved, editors should weed out most of the non-flag substitute icons they have been using on various articles, such as coin or map images, as they will no longer be needed (otherwise they will continue to be displayed, next to the textual list).
Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:52, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that |country=
and |latd= |latm= |latNS= |longd= |longm= |longEW=
are deprecated. What should they be replaced with?--
Auric
talk
18:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
country= |latd= |latm= |latNS= |longd= |longm= |longEW=
in use in this template. Do they actually work? Are they called in some way that I am not seeing? Can you show me an article that is using them? I am asking not to be confrontational, but because I honestly don't see how those variables are currently functioning in this infobox. Thanks.|country=
seems to have been replaced by |today=
, and the lat/long parameters do not appear to display in the infobox –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
23:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
|country=
parameter was present in the template
until January 2011, when it was moved to a subtemplate, but the value of |country=
was no longer being passed to that subtemplate. The country parameter was
removed from that subtemplate in June 2016 by
Quest for Truth. I believe that |country=
should also be considered an "unknown parameter" and should be removed from the list of valid parameters.There is also a typo. |coa_size=
should be |coat_size=
.--
Auric
talk
22:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
|coa_size=
is the parameter used in the infobox's code. I suspect that a clever person decided that "coa" would be a clear and unconfusing short way to represent "coat of arms". I believe that most infoboxes do not allow editors to specify image sizes. I would recommend setting the image size at a fixed value. It looks like the default is 85px. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
23:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
This seems to be the only infobox not using this parameter. When will it start using this param? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 17:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Could we please have a new parameter added to this template? I would like the ability to give the label "Capital" a wikilink. That is, if the parameter is specified, the label "Capital" is turned into a wikilink and points to a given article. Case in point is the article Colony of New Zealand, where the label should point to Capital of New Zealand. At this point, the category Capitals by country has 13 entries, so this could be useful for a number of articles. There's no hurry with this, and if the pending merge with 'Infobox country' should go ahead first, that's fine. Schwede 66 07:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Since there is now an initiative to merge this template with others, I'll re-state what I said in the TfD discussion: we should use this opportunity to get rid of the baroque and overblown automatic categorization functionality currently implemented by the template. All these categorizations run counter to WP:TEMPLATECAT, which says that only maintenance cats but not content cats ought to be added through templates. They should therefore be converted into standard, manual category entries.
One reason for this is that many of these articles are main articles of their own topic categories (e.g. Byzantine Empire as head of Category:Byzantine Empire). In all such cases, cats such as "former monarchies in..." ought to be placed on the category page, not on the article page, to avoid redundant categorization in supercats and subcats. Also, the current categorization scheme is producing a huge number of errors. The template currently checks for several dozens of error conditions regarding invalid, missing or inconsistent parameter settings. Almost all of these are related to the categorization scheme. Problematic articles are put into Category:Former country articles requiring maintenance. This maintenance category currently contains 1,912 pages – out of 3,083 pages that use the infobox. In other words, editors have failed to get the input for the categorization right in almost two thirds of all cases. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
The code for the |image_map=
parameter includes a style declaration font-size:95%;
and within the scope of that the |image_map_caption=
is given the style declaration font-size:90%;
. Now, 90% of 95% is 85.5%, so the font size of this caption should be just within the guideline given by
MOS:ACCESS#Text, i.e. 85%. However, the infobox has class="infobox geography vcard vevent"
and of these, the infobox geography
classes together set font-size: 90%;
, giving 76.95% which is unacceptable. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
22:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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When an area for a country is provided (stat_area1
, stat_area2
etc), this template currently displays square kilometres as km²
(using a "superscript 2" character). This is counter to the
Manual of Style which mandates that <sup>2</sup>
be used instead of the specific character (see
MOS:UNITSYMBOLS). This problem is not present in {{
Infobox country}}, which uses the {{
convinfobox}} template. Presumably once the two are merged this won't be an issue, but in the meantime I propose that either the ²
is explicitly replaced with <sup>2</sup>
or {{
convinfobox}} is used instead.
Alphathon /
'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (
talk)
16:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
I have ported the image table from template:Infobox country to this template. I expect some minor spacing, fontsize changes, but otherwise, I do not expect any major differences. please let me know if you see a problem. I kept the old version in the sandbox for now for comparison in the testcases. Frietjes ( talk) 14:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
The |today=
parameter is useful for former countries that ruled part of the territory of a modern country, but becomes less useful as the number of countries spanned increases, and is quite misleading for empires that covered many small parts of modern countries, particularly when the degree of control over those areas is unclear. The worst examples are empires that once controlled a bit of what is now Russia. (See recent discussions at
Talk:Ottoman Empire and
Talk:Roman Empire.) So I propose that the documentation should deprecate the use of |today=
in favour of a map in such cases.
Kanguole
18:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
So, here's the next question: How many countries is "lots of countries?" If this is going to become an across-the-board consensus, we need to settle how many countries are to be listed in the "today part of" parameter before we decide that there are too many.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
So, do we want to put in some documentation that "today_part_of" is recommended only if there are fewer than five or four entries?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Should the phrasing in the documentation be changed? TompaDompa ( talk) 17:21, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
The current phrasing, Present-day countries that overlap with the territorial extent of the former country. It is recommended that this parameter be avoided if there are more than four such countries.
, has proved problematic. It has been argued that it's only a recommendation, and as such removal needs to be discussed and consensus reached ahead of time in each separate case. I suggest we change the second sentence to "Do not use this parameter if there are more than four such countries."
Pinging users involved in the discussion above, users involved elsewhere: @ Kanguole, Future Perfect at Sunrise, 3family6, JohnBlackburne, Le Deluge, Panam2014, EdJohnston, Yintan, Vanjagenije, and Lucius Tiberius: what do you think? TompaDompa ( talk) 15:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell the symbol
parameter is currently non-functional. The documentation states that it is used to specify the "link target under symbol image" (i.e. the link to the article about the emblem or coat of arms) but it does not. In fact, from what I can tell, the symbol
parameter doesn't appear anywhere in the template's code. The documentation also states that if the parameter is not used then it will link to Coat of arms of {{{common_name}}}
, which also does not seem to work.
For now I have found a workaround, which is use symbol_type_article
instead, which despite the Warning: Page using Template:Infobox former country with unknown parameter "symbol_type_article" (this message is shown only in preview). message generated while editing, does seem to work. (Presumably the "valid parameters" are specifically defined somewhere and symbol_type_article
isn't on the list; I'm not sure how that works.)
As far as I can tell it was broken in
this edit back in July, presumably as part of the (seemingly never-ending) merger with {{
Infobox Country}}. (EDIT: I just noticed that @
Frietjes: mentioned doing this above, and to alert them of any problems. Well, I found one.) I do not know whether the new parameter name (symbol_type_article
) is important for the merger or not.
Could somebody please fix this so that the template either recognises the old parameter name as an alias (if that's possible) and doesn't bring up the error message, or change the parameter name back to symbol
? If not could the documentation (and error message) at least be updated to reflect the current parameter name?
Thanks, Alphathon / 'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 04:01, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
|symbol_type_article=
to stop throwing an error, and by updating the /doc page to correctly identify the parameter as having that name. I did not implement |symbol=
as an alias, because it's terribly ambiguous, and it would unnecessarily complicate the code. There are numerous places where {{{symbol_type_article|}}}
or {{{symbol_type_article}}}
would have to be changed to {{{symbol_type_article|}}}{{{symbol|}}}
or {{{symbol_type_article|{{{symbol}}}}}}
, respectively, and all it would do is waste parser time for no benefit. If anything, |symbol=
would probably be expected to be an alias for |image_symbol=
. —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<
07:09, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
symbol =
to symbol_type_article =
then? This template is used on a lot of pages (3226 according to tools.wmflabs.org/templatecount) and to change all the instances of symbol =
manually would be a nightmare.
Alphathon /
'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (
talk)
16:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
In Kingdom of Jerusalem, this template generates links to Coat of arms of Jerusalem, which is a DAB page; and to Flag of Jerusalem, which is the wrong article. Both links should be to Jerusalem cross. Narky Blert ( talk) 15:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
May somebody add a second coat of arms parameter, like is done for the flag? – Illegitimate Barrister ( talk • contribs), 23:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I encountered a page using this template with some unknown parameters, which I think are in Infobox Country.
The template page states it is being merged with Infobox Country.
But there are many parameters of this template which are not in Infobox Country.
So what is actually going on?
Rich Rostrom ( Talk) 20:48, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
former_country=yes
parameter that changes the whole behaviour of the merged infobox. It's not impossible by any means, but the underlying syntax will be way too complicated and difficult to maintain. In my view it's not worth doing, nor is it helpful. Instead, we should migrate this infobox to {{
Infobox}} and possibly modulate components which can be shared between this infobox and {{
infobox country}}, for example as has been done with {{
infobox country/imagetable}}.Articles using this template seem to be put into Category:Former countries in Europe which is very large, and is marked for diffusion. If this forced categorisation could be removed it might be possible to do some diffusion. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
If I understand correctly, the "flag" parameter specifies the link target for an article about the flag.
At People's Republic of the Congo the "flag" parameter appears to specified correctly, but the link doesn't actually appear. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 07:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)