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Why not to use bullets • in lists as Spanish Wikipedia does? See e.g. es:Segunda República Española. Incnis Mrsi ( talk) 19:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Nt. - LlywelynII ( talk) 13:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
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Since the name of template got changed, there needs to be some updates to the redirect pages in the code. See
[1] for the new code. Thanks, --
Funandtrvl (
talk)
23:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
There's a close-brace missing in the call to the named argument image_map2_alt
. I've corrected the code in the
sandbox, but it's probably easier just to search for the name of the argument and add an extra }
after the pipe. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
23:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
The template creates cat-entries. But when in Userspace (e.g. for sandboxing; there are a lot of them clearly), the Cats should be disabled. Could it be done:
- DePiep ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Having this template generate categories is a bit problematic for various reasons. The primary reasons being unnecessary obfuscation, potential for error, and need for special handling outside of article space (see above). Are there any objections to making a WP:BOTREQ to add the categories to each article, then remove the categories from this template when it has completed? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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Please change all instances of border|30px
to {{#if:{{{border|}}}|{{{border}}}|border}}|30px
and all instances of 20px|border
to {{#if:{{{border|}}}|{{{border}}}|border}}|20px
.
This will allow removal of borders on non-rectangular flags, e.g.
→
. See
Template:Infobox former subdivision.
Cheers, P æ dia 01:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
No, the default should have a border, with border=no
as optional. Please see {{
Infobox former country/testcases}} and {{
Infobox former subdivision/testcases}}. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
20:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Mea culpa. Actually, we are both wrong. It could be |border
→{{#ifeq:{{{border|}}}|no||{{!}}border}}
. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
16:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! For some reason, I could not get
{{#ifeq:{{{border}}}|no||border}}
to work, but
{{#ifeq:{{{border|}}}|no||{{!}}border}}
does work. Your way is perfectly fine; I just thought that it would be more work. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The "coordinates for capital city" section was removed 04:35, 20 July 2007 for being "redundant the city article itself should have this information, plus it is causing the country entries to appear on Google Earth", but still remains in documentation. Should this code be re-added, as is still in {{ Infobox former subdivision}}, or removed altogether? Cheers, P æ dia 05:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
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In the infobox on former unrecognised state, the input for status is
Unrecognised state which is really just a direct to
List of unrecognized countries which itself is a redirect to the final destination at
List of states with limited recognition, a featured list article. Does anyone know how to streamline this to correct the error, or is it page specific. One example of this can be seen on
Riograndense Republic, but there are more.
Outback the koala (
talk)
02:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
|Unrecognized |Unrecognised |Unrecognized state |Unrecognised state |Unrecognized State |Unrecognised State={{#if:{{{status_text|}}}|{{{status_text}}}|[[List of unrecognized countries|Unrecognized state]]}}
|Unrecognized |Unrecognised |Unrecognized state |Unrecognised state |Unrecognized State |Unrecognised State={{#if:{{{status_text|}}}|{{{status_text}}}|[[List of states with limited recognition|Unrecognized state]]}}
So, there is the paramenter "country", explained as "The country, to which this historic entity belongs today", and then there is the parameter "today", explained as "Present Divisions". What gives?
In other words, this template suffers from bloat. Please throw out all but the most crucial parameters. Nobody likes infoboxes that take up half the screen. -- dab (𒁳) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
There are many cases of historical entities (cf. the Emirate of Crete or several Byzantine themes) where no precise date is known, but only the decade or just the century when they were established or disestablished. The automatic category assignment has a problem with these cases, since the relevant categories are at e.g. "States and territories established in the 820s" and not "States and territories established in 820s". This ought to be fixed somehow. Constantine ✍ 10:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
|year_start = 7th century
to display "7th century" in the infobox, but add "the" when dealing with the category? Same concept with |year_end = 10th century
, but adding a hyphen between the century and the word "century" when dealing with the category. —
ξ
xplicit
08:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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The autocat stuff doesn't quite work, as not all parameters are passed through.
Can someone please change the line 4 from the end from:
{{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}||{{Infobox former country/autocat|continent={{{continent|}}}|region={{{region|}}}|status={{{status|}}}|year_start={{{year_start|}}}|common_name={{{common_name|}}}|year_end={{{year_end|}}}}}}}
to:
{{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}||{{Infobox former country/autocat|continent={{{continent|}}}|region={{{region|}}}|status={{{status|}}}|empire={{{empire|}}}|year_start={{{year_start|}}}|common_name={{{common_name|}}}|year_end={{{year_end|}}}}}}}
, to ensure that the argument is passed through too? Thanks! —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
15:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Something's not quite right about the
Former country articles requiring maintenance categorisation — if you look at
Kaisheim Abbey and
Memleben Abbey, both apparently have something wrong with their year_start
or year_end
parameters, but looking at the source, that doesn't appear to be the case.
I've tried working out what's wrong, but I can't see any cause for this bug. Could someone more familiar with the categorisation take a look, please? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 12:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This template has many subheadings that are unnecessarily wikilinked, as they're just ordinary dictionary words or familiar terms. Could these links be removed please, in line with
WP:OVERLINK? I'm thinking of:
Colonies Chris ( talk) 10:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Unlike Template:Infobox former subdivision, this template has two nested infobox tables. This seems to be causing CSS formatting problems (if you compare the infobox at Canton of Linth with the one at Söflingen Abbey, for example, you can see the text is smaller in the latter).
Is there a reason for this? I'd suggest the following should be removed from the very beginning and end of the template:
{| class="infobox" style="background: none; border: none; width: {{{width|290px}}}; text-align: center; line-height: 1.4em; margin-right: 0;" |- |<!------------------------------Infobox proper begins------------------------------> ... |}<!-- End padding table -->
to restore the proper formatting. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 13:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The Missing_map.png image should be substituted with Missing_map.svg -- Inkwina ( talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
You should add HDI to the template. Some countries such as Yugoslavia already got HDI as the country was changed after HDI has been introduced.-- 180.180.141.119 ( talk) 12:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
The code must be tweaked, because it produces problems in cases where states do not have a clear ending date. For instance, the Abbasid Caliphate uses year_end = 1258/1513 and is listed as a short-lived state. Constantine ✍ 09:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The native name has long bothered me. More to the point, its font and apparent dominance over the English name is a problem. This is English wikipedia and as such, the English term should take priority (the native name is afterall almost a piece of trivia), yet the current infobox has the native name not only on top of the English name but the font is the same size. It's both cluttered and confusing.
Can we at least get the font reduced significantly in relation to the English name. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
It seems we're in agreement that the English name should come first. The problem is that there may not be a "the" English name. Some countries have more than one: a conventional long name and a common name. For example; the Ottoman Empire or the Sublime Ottoman State; Austria-Hungary, the Austro-Hungarian Empire or the Austro-Hungarian monarchy; Moldavia or the Principality of Moldavia; etc. Currently only the conventional long name appears. Why not the common name? In fact, why not have the common name as the main name, with the conventional long name second & then native names to follow? JIMp talk· cont 04:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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At the start of the template, please effect a partial reversion of recent edits by replacing the template with the sandbox version ( diff), so this part of the change can be discussed properly. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 11:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I have edited the code to display the common name, the conventional long name and then the native name(s) in that order if they exist (i.e. are given to the infobox) in descending font size. If the common name is the same as the conventional long name it isn't repeated. JIMp talk· cont 16:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason as to why the historical events(event1, date_event1, etc.) of the country is limited to four maximum? If not, would it be possible to slightly raise the limit, say 6 or 7? I personally think it is too low, as I have ran into issues in not being able to add all important events needed. -- Lord Gorbachev ( talk) 01:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
date_pre
and date_post
to get more events in, but it should be relatively unusual to need lots of events in there, surely? Which article is it you're working on, if I may ask? If you want to use the pre/post fields to do that, gimme a yell and I'm happy to help; I can't think of an example where I've done that off-hand. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
17:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Which flags should we use if the former country had more than one flag? And how many years of population should we list?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Can this be added to the template? It is available of for the current country infobox, and it would sometimes make sense to fill it out. -- Nidator T / C 21:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
This template is used in the article on the Federation of Malaya, where the dates are not displaying appropriately. The relevant infobox fields are: "year_start = 1948", "date_start = 31 January 1948", "year_end = 1963", and "date_end= 16 September 1963". These are displaying as "31 January 1948 1948" and "16 September 1963 1963" respectively! I hope someone can fix this (I have no idea if it's also occurring in other articles). Andrew Gwilliam ( talk) 10:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC).
date_start
and date_end
parameters to contain only the day of the year; the year itself is automatically added from year_start
and year_end
.year_end
not to appear within the display value of date_end
, you can do something like:|year_end = 15th century <!-- used for category values --> |date_end = c. 1470<span style="display: none;">
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Hi, we've been discussing on the East Germany page that calling East Berlin the "capital" may not be optimally NPOV since it was proclaimed so by the DDR, but the West didn't recognize this and insisted on referring to it as just the "Seat of Government". However, Capital is a required field in the template. Could someone edit the template so that Seat of Government can be used instead of Capital? (or maybe even omit the "Capital" field). There used to be a short note in brackets explaining the situation, but this was objected to so these alternative solutions were seen as preferable. Cheers, -- Dailycare ( talk) 06:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
|capital=omitted
to hide it. See
Template:Infobox former country/testcases for an example. Please update the documentation as necessary.
Anomie
⚔
20:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Why not to use bullets • in lists as Spanish Wikipedia does? See e.g. es:Segunda República Española. Incnis Mrsi ( talk) 19:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Nt. - LlywelynII ( talk) 13:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
{{edit protected}}
Since the name of template got changed, there needs to be some updates to the redirect pages in the code. See
[1] for the new code. Thanks, --
Funandtrvl (
talk)
23:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
There's a close-brace missing in the call to the named argument image_map2_alt
. I've corrected the code in the
sandbox, but it's probably easier just to search for the name of the argument and add an extra }
after the pipe. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
23:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
The template creates cat-entries. But when in Userspace (e.g. for sandboxing; there are a lot of them clearly), the Cats should be disabled. Could it be done:
- DePiep ( talk) 15:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Having this template generate categories is a bit problematic for various reasons. The primary reasons being unnecessary obfuscation, potential for error, and need for special handling outside of article space (see above). Are there any objections to making a WP:BOTREQ to add the categories to each article, then remove the categories from this template when it has completed? Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
Please change all instances of border|30px
to {{#if:{{{border|}}}|{{{border}}}|border}}|30px
and all instances of 20px|border
to {{#if:{{{border|}}}|{{{border}}}|border}}|20px
.
This will allow removal of borders on non-rectangular flags, e.g.
→
. See
Template:Infobox former subdivision.
Cheers, P æ dia 01:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
No, the default should have a border, with border=no
as optional. Please see {{
Infobox former country/testcases}} and {{
Infobox former subdivision/testcases}}. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
20:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Mea culpa. Actually, we are both wrong. It could be |border
→{{#ifeq:{{{border|}}}|no||{{!}}border}}
. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
16:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! For some reason, I could not get
{{#ifeq:{{{border}}}|no||border}}
to work, but
{{#ifeq:{{{border|}}}|no||{{!}}border}}
does work. Your way is perfectly fine; I just thought that it would be more work. Cheers,
P
æ
dia
16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The "coordinates for capital city" section was removed 04:35, 20 July 2007 for being "redundant the city article itself should have this information, plus it is causing the country entries to appear on Google Earth", but still remains in documentation. Should this code be re-added, as is still in {{ Infobox former subdivision}}, or removed altogether? Cheers, P æ dia 05:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
In the infobox on former unrecognised state, the input for status is
Unrecognised state which is really just a direct to
List of unrecognized countries which itself is a redirect to the final destination at
List of states with limited recognition, a featured list article. Does anyone know how to streamline this to correct the error, or is it page specific. One example of this can be seen on
Riograndense Republic, but there are more.
Outback the koala (
talk)
02:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
|Unrecognized |Unrecognised |Unrecognized state |Unrecognised state |Unrecognized State |Unrecognised State={{#if:{{{status_text|}}}|{{{status_text}}}|[[List of unrecognized countries|Unrecognized state]]}}
|Unrecognized |Unrecognised |Unrecognized state |Unrecognised state |Unrecognized State |Unrecognised State={{#if:{{{status_text|}}}|{{{status_text}}}|[[List of states with limited recognition|Unrecognized state]]}}
So, there is the paramenter "country", explained as "The country, to which this historic entity belongs today", and then there is the parameter "today", explained as "Present Divisions". What gives?
In other words, this template suffers from bloat. Please throw out all but the most crucial parameters. Nobody likes infoboxes that take up half the screen. -- dab (𒁳) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
There are many cases of historical entities (cf. the Emirate of Crete or several Byzantine themes) where no precise date is known, but only the decade or just the century when they were established or disestablished. The automatic category assignment has a problem with these cases, since the relevant categories are at e.g. "States and territories established in the 820s" and not "States and territories established in 820s". This ought to be fixed somehow. Constantine ✍ 10:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
|year_start = 7th century
to display "7th century" in the infobox, but add "the" when dealing with the category? Same concept with |year_end = 10th century
, but adding a hyphen between the century and the word "century" when dealing with the category. —
ξ
xplicit
08:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
{{edit protected}}
The autocat stuff doesn't quite work, as not all parameters are passed through.
Can someone please change the line 4 from the end from:
{{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}||{{Infobox former country/autocat|continent={{{continent|}}}|region={{{region|}}}|status={{{status|}}}|year_start={{{year_start|}}}|common_name={{{common_name|}}}|year_end={{{year_end|}}}}}}}
to:
{{#if:{{{_noautocat|<noinclude>yes</noinclude>}}}||{{Infobox former country/autocat|continent={{{continent|}}}|region={{{region|}}}|status={{{status|}}}|empire={{{empire|}}}|year_start={{{year_start|}}}|common_name={{{common_name|}}}|year_end={{{year_end|}}}}}}}
, to ensure that the argument is passed through too? Thanks! —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
15:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Something's not quite right about the
Former country articles requiring maintenance categorisation — if you look at
Kaisheim Abbey and
Memleben Abbey, both apparently have something wrong with their year_start
or year_end
parameters, but looking at the source, that doesn't appear to be the case.
I've tried working out what's wrong, but I can't see any cause for this bug. Could someone more familiar with the categorisation take a look, please? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 12:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
This template has many subheadings that are unnecessarily wikilinked, as they're just ordinary dictionary words or familiar terms. Could these links be removed please, in line with
WP:OVERLINK? I'm thinking of:
Colonies Chris ( talk) 10:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Unlike Template:Infobox former subdivision, this template has two nested infobox tables. This seems to be causing CSS formatting problems (if you compare the infobox at Canton of Linth with the one at Söflingen Abbey, for example, you can see the text is smaller in the latter).
Is there a reason for this? I'd suggest the following should be removed from the very beginning and end of the template:
{| class="infobox" style="background: none; border: none; width: {{{width|290px}}}; text-align: center; line-height: 1.4em; margin-right: 0;" |- |<!------------------------------Infobox proper begins------------------------------> ... |}<!-- End padding table -->
to restore the proper formatting. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 13:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The Missing_map.png image should be substituted with Missing_map.svg -- Inkwina ( talk · contribs) 03:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
You should add HDI to the template. Some countries such as Yugoslavia already got HDI as the country was changed after HDI has been introduced.-- 180.180.141.119 ( talk) 12:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
The code must be tweaked, because it produces problems in cases where states do not have a clear ending date. For instance, the Abbasid Caliphate uses year_end = 1258/1513 and is listed as a short-lived state. Constantine ✍ 09:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
The native name has long bothered me. More to the point, its font and apparent dominance over the English name is a problem. This is English wikipedia and as such, the English term should take priority (the native name is afterall almost a piece of trivia), yet the current infobox has the native name not only on top of the English name but the font is the same size. It's both cluttered and confusing.
Can we at least get the font reduced significantly in relation to the English name. cheers -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
It seems we're in agreement that the English name should come first. The problem is that there may not be a "the" English name. Some countries have more than one: a conventional long name and a common name. For example; the Ottoman Empire or the Sublime Ottoman State; Austria-Hungary, the Austro-Hungarian Empire or the Austro-Hungarian monarchy; Moldavia or the Principality of Moldavia; etc. Currently only the conventional long name appears. Why not the common name? In fact, why not have the common name as the main name, with the conventional long name second & then native names to follow? JIMp talk· cont 04:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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At the start of the template, please effect a partial reversion of recent edits by replacing the template with the sandbox version ( diff), so this part of the change can be discussed properly. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 11:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I have edited the code to display the common name, the conventional long name and then the native name(s) in that order if they exist (i.e. are given to the infobox) in descending font size. If the common name is the same as the conventional long name it isn't repeated. JIMp talk· cont 16:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason as to why the historical events(event1, date_event1, etc.) of the country is limited to four maximum? If not, would it be possible to slightly raise the limit, say 6 or 7? I personally think it is too low, as I have ran into issues in not being able to add all important events needed. -- Lord Gorbachev ( talk) 01:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
date_pre
and date_post
to get more events in, but it should be relatively unusual to need lots of events in there, surely? Which article is it you're working on, if I may ask? If you want to use the pre/post fields to do that, gimme a yell and I'm happy to help; I can't think of an example where I've done that off-hand. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
17:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Which flags should we use if the former country had more than one flag? And how many years of population should we list?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Can this be added to the template? It is available of for the current country infobox, and it would sometimes make sense to fill it out. -- Nidator T / C 21:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
This template is used in the article on the Federation of Malaya, where the dates are not displaying appropriately. The relevant infobox fields are: "year_start = 1948", "date_start = 31 January 1948", "year_end = 1963", and "date_end= 16 September 1963". These are displaying as "31 January 1948 1948" and "16 September 1963 1963" respectively! I hope someone can fix this (I have no idea if it's also occurring in other articles). Andrew Gwilliam ( talk) 10:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC).
date_start
and date_end
parameters to contain only the day of the year; the year itself is automatically added from year_start
and year_end
.year_end
not to appear within the display value of date_end
, you can do something like:|year_end = 15th century <!-- used for category values --> |date_end = c. 1470<span style="display: none;">
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hi, we've been discussing on the East Germany page that calling East Berlin the "capital" may not be optimally NPOV since it was proclaimed so by the DDR, but the West didn't recognize this and insisted on referring to it as just the "Seat of Government". However, Capital is a required field in the template. Could someone edit the template so that Seat of Government can be used instead of Capital? (or maybe even omit the "Capital" field). There used to be a short note in brackets explaining the situation, but this was objected to so these alternative solutions were seen as preferable. Cheers, -- Dailycare ( talk) 06:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
|capital=omitted
to hide it. See
Template:Infobox former country/testcases for an example. Please update the documentation as necessary.
Anomie
⚔
20:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)