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Speaking of updates: over at {{ Infobox Former Subdivision}}, I have now heavily upgraded it to largely match this infobox, after clearing away a lot of the old formats. A new thing: the sn/pn variables (or anything like it) are no longer in that infobox - all terms are automatically listed at the bottom of the infobox if there are more than 5 previous or succeeding states (eg. Province of Westphalia). This is from my work on the SFRY prototypes above. For this infobox, I would probably list the entries at the bottom as they currently are (centered, no images), instead of what I have in mind for the former country infobox (side-aligned, with images). The older versions of the subdivision infobox ("historical province" and "prussian province") are now no longer used by any entries and are now listed for deletion.
The subdivision infobox contains one field that this infobox does not: "today", a field where instead of listing the entities that came immediately afterwards, but what entities cover this territory today. Going further back in history, this can be useful. This field might be handy for this infobox since it has already proven useful in the subdivision infobox (eg. Province of Schleswig-Holstein). What do you think? - 52 Pickup 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
It's currently Dictatorship, previously Totalitarian Dictatorship, but both are saying it does not comply. Can one of those be added to government_type? MeekSaffron 05:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I have just made a major update to the template. It covers a number of things that have been discussed above:
This has all been tested, but there might still be faults. Please let us know if you find any. - 52 Pickup 12:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I need an urgent update to set the size of the map. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I work on disambiguating links to dab pages. I think the feature of this template that automatically creates wikilinks is very clever, but it created a problem for me at Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. This template was used on that page, and the language was set to "English," resulting in a link to English, which is a dab page. When I edited the article to find the link, it wasn't visible (only the plain text "English" was visible), so I didn't know how to fix it. I just got some help at WP:VPT -- the solution was to replace the plain text with [[English language|English]], so the template wouldn't create the link itself -- but that wasn't obvious at all. Is there anything that can be done with the template to alleviate this problem, or alternatively, can the solution be documented in a readily accessible place? Thanks. -- Tkynerd 15:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The example has
|year_start = 1871 |year_end = 1918 |date_start = January 18 |date_end = November 9
It seems useless and irritating to separate year from date. A unified parameter would have the following advantages:
Wikipeditor 23:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this template generating the Category:Short-lived states that appears on the Republic of Texas article? If so, there is a disconnect between what Category:Short-lived states says (less than five years) and what this seems to generate. If this template is the source, is any way to change the template so as not to generate the short-lived category for a state that lasted 9 years? Thanks. — Bellhalla 22:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
We need a new government type: Theocracy, see Papal States. I figured I should mention it here, rather than just trying to hack the template about. I would mention about articles ending up in both Category:Short-lived states and Category:Client states of the Great French War, but that seems complex and, frankly, unimportant ;o) — OwenBlacker 23:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I am having several problems with flags on the infoboxes.
Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you. LordAmeth 13:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
To answer your questions (a lot of this is given in Template:Infobox_Former_Country/Instructions:
Hope this helps. - 52 Pickup 16:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems strange to me to see 6 entries for leaders (up to leader6). What if a former kingdom had 21 kings? I am asking because someone was puzzled in Talk:Soviet_Union#Government_Leaders why they cannot see Gorbachev (who is #7).
Please clarify the usage. `' mikka 00:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit to this template has made it look terrible! PLEASE restore the old template! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-41 ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
In the section indicating preceeding and suceeding states, has using subheadings such as "Preceded by" and "Suceeded by" (in smaller font-size) above flag/s been considered...? Having recently passed by a couple of pages using this template and had someone ask me to confirm what the leftward and rightward arrows imply (and also that they are/can be links), I wonder if something that's more more self-explanatory and more visible as a link might be preferable...? Meanwhile, thanks for comprehensive template! Regards, David Kernow (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of showing the status_text
without adding a status
? I can't really think of an appropriate status
for the
Stem duchy of
Lorraine… —
OwenBlacker
16:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Multiple previous and following flags look terrible in this template. I'l looking at Ukrainian People's Republic: I see a stack of six stripes on the left, and four on the right, and no identifiable flags. — Michael Z. 2007-08-13 14:32 Z
If this is needing constant fiddling, ...
Why not parameterize all the style characteristics as I did with width months ago?
Second, t'would be a good idea to make the standard width similar to other types of Info boxes, for cases where an article is serving currently as both a current topic/place and the former nation/state (e.g.
Wittenberg and
Duchy of Saxe-Wittenberg which size mismatch brought me here to check whether this had a width option.) I would recommend the much debugged and (imho, still overlarge) templates of
Template:Infobox Military Conflict(
talk
links
history) and the related war or campaign boxes as a max size model. (e.g. ). See the guts in
Template:WPMILHIST Infobox style(
talk
links
history) which maxes out the 315px, but a better size would be circa 22.5em which is pretty standard for big infoboxes. Best regards //
Fra
nkB
00:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a list of leaders of the Tang Dynasty, where this template is used. Now, for some reason only the first few leaders are being displayed... I guess I am just to stupid to use it correctly ;-) Any savant got an idea? Tang Wenlong ( talk) 01:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I, too, work on disambiguating, and I'm having a lot of hits on "dissolution" from this template. In this case, I don't think any of the identified meanings of "dissolution" fit when talking about an entire country, so the solution discussed before might not work. What can we do here to stop linking to the "dissolution" dab page? Thanks. Auntof6 04:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
This template is going to be annhilated by the pending limit on calls to #ifexist. Please rewrite it to make far fewer calls to #ifexist. Dragons flight 00:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Pre-expand include size: 131698/2048000 bytes Post-expand include size: 50777/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 28650/2048000 bytes #ifexist count: 111/2000
Hello, discussion is running hot 'n heavy over at Occupation of Japan over the flag in this template. There was no de jure official flag of Japan at any time from 1885 until 1999. However, the Hinomaru or "Rising Sun" flag was clearly the de facto flag of Japan at all relevant times. It gets worse.. use of the Hinomaru was severely restricted during early parts of the occupation, but the restrictions were completely lifted a couple years before the occupation ended. The flag that is being used in the template at this moment (it may change by the time you read this) is not even close to being an official flag; it is a naval ensign. I suggest using the Hinomaru with a footnote to a lengthy and well-referenced discussion. I dunno if that solution will reflect consensus, but at present this template does not support the addition of a footnote in the place I would like to see it [beside the "Flag" link]... Thanks! Ling.Nut 06:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Only first 12 out of 15 (or 16) successor states included in the infobox are visible. Alæxis ¿question? 12:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This template includes default headers "Established" and "Disestablished" that are links to pages of the same titles. Apparently this is done through inclusion of the {{ WPFCevent}} template, which automatically links headers if the corresponding page exists. Unfortunately, however, Established redirects to a disambiguation page, and none of the links on that page is relevant to the usage here; and Disestablished redirects to Disestablishmentarianism, which is an entirely irrelevant article. Please fix the template code so that it no longer links to inappropriate articles. -- Russ (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem, at the 1910 area estimate it add "{{{1}}}". What is that? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 17:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not add heads of legislatures? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 17:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 9 |
Speaking of updates: over at {{ Infobox Former Subdivision}}, I have now heavily upgraded it to largely match this infobox, after clearing away a lot of the old formats. A new thing: the sn/pn variables (or anything like it) are no longer in that infobox - all terms are automatically listed at the bottom of the infobox if there are more than 5 previous or succeeding states (eg. Province of Westphalia). This is from my work on the SFRY prototypes above. For this infobox, I would probably list the entries at the bottom as they currently are (centered, no images), instead of what I have in mind for the former country infobox (side-aligned, with images). The older versions of the subdivision infobox ("historical province" and "prussian province") are now no longer used by any entries and are now listed for deletion.
The subdivision infobox contains one field that this infobox does not: "today", a field where instead of listing the entities that came immediately afterwards, but what entities cover this territory today. Going further back in history, this can be useful. This field might be handy for this infobox since it has already proven useful in the subdivision infobox (eg. Province of Schleswig-Holstein). What do you think? - 52 Pickup 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
It's currently Dictatorship, previously Totalitarian Dictatorship, but both are saying it does not comply. Can one of those be added to government_type? MeekSaffron 05:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I have just made a major update to the template. It covers a number of things that have been discussed above:
This has all been tested, but there might still be faults. Please let us know if you find any. - 52 Pickup 12:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I need an urgent update to set the size of the map. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I work on disambiguating links to dab pages. I think the feature of this template that automatically creates wikilinks is very clever, but it created a problem for me at Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. This template was used on that page, and the language was set to "English," resulting in a link to English, which is a dab page. When I edited the article to find the link, it wasn't visible (only the plain text "English" was visible), so I didn't know how to fix it. I just got some help at WP:VPT -- the solution was to replace the plain text with [[English language|English]], so the template wouldn't create the link itself -- but that wasn't obvious at all. Is there anything that can be done with the template to alleviate this problem, or alternatively, can the solution be documented in a readily accessible place? Thanks. -- Tkynerd 15:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The example has
|year_start = 1871 |year_end = 1918 |date_start = January 18 |date_end = November 9
It seems useless and irritating to separate year from date. A unified parameter would have the following advantages:
Wikipeditor 23:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this template generating the Category:Short-lived states that appears on the Republic of Texas article? If so, there is a disconnect between what Category:Short-lived states says (less than five years) and what this seems to generate. If this template is the source, is any way to change the template so as not to generate the short-lived category for a state that lasted 9 years? Thanks. — Bellhalla 22:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
We need a new government type: Theocracy, see Papal States. I figured I should mention it here, rather than just trying to hack the template about. I would mention about articles ending up in both Category:Short-lived states and Category:Client states of the Great French War, but that seems complex and, frankly, unimportant ;o) — OwenBlacker 23:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I am having several problems with flags on the infoboxes.
Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you. LordAmeth 13:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
To answer your questions (a lot of this is given in Template:Infobox_Former_Country/Instructions:
Hope this helps. - 52 Pickup 16:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems strange to me to see 6 entries for leaders (up to leader6). What if a former kingdom had 21 kings? I am asking because someone was puzzled in Talk:Soviet_Union#Government_Leaders why they cannot see Gorbachev (who is #7).
Please clarify the usage. `' mikka 00:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit to this template has made it look terrible! PLEASE restore the old template! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-41 ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
In the section indicating preceeding and suceeding states, has using subheadings such as "Preceded by" and "Suceeded by" (in smaller font-size) above flag/s been considered...? Having recently passed by a couple of pages using this template and had someone ask me to confirm what the leftward and rightward arrows imply (and also that they are/can be links), I wonder if something that's more more self-explanatory and more visible as a link might be preferable...? Meanwhile, thanks for comprehensive template! Regards, David Kernow (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of showing the status_text
without adding a status
? I can't really think of an appropriate status
for the
Stem duchy of
Lorraine… —
OwenBlacker
16:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Multiple previous and following flags look terrible in this template. I'l looking at Ukrainian People's Republic: I see a stack of six stripes on the left, and four on the right, and no identifiable flags. — Michael Z. 2007-08-13 14:32 Z
If this is needing constant fiddling, ...
Why not parameterize all the style characteristics as I did with width months ago?
Second, t'would be a good idea to make the standard width similar to other types of Info boxes, for cases where an article is serving currently as both a current topic/place and the former nation/state (e.g.
Wittenberg and
Duchy of Saxe-Wittenberg which size mismatch brought me here to check whether this had a width option.) I would recommend the much debugged and (imho, still overlarge) templates of
Template:Infobox Military Conflict(
talk
links
history) and the related war or campaign boxes as a max size model. (e.g. ). See the guts in
Template:WPMILHIST Infobox style(
talk
links
history) which maxes out the 315px, but a better size would be circa 22.5em which is pretty standard for big infoboxes. Best regards //
Fra
nkB
00:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a list of leaders of the Tang Dynasty, where this template is used. Now, for some reason only the first few leaders are being displayed... I guess I am just to stupid to use it correctly ;-) Any savant got an idea? Tang Wenlong ( talk) 01:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I, too, work on disambiguating, and I'm having a lot of hits on "dissolution" from this template. In this case, I don't think any of the identified meanings of "dissolution" fit when talking about an entire country, so the solution discussed before might not work. What can we do here to stop linking to the "dissolution" dab page? Thanks. Auntof6 04:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
This template is going to be annhilated by the pending limit on calls to #ifexist. Please rewrite it to make far fewer calls to #ifexist. Dragons flight 00:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Pre-expand include size: 131698/2048000 bytes Post-expand include size: 50777/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 28650/2048000 bytes #ifexist count: 111/2000
Hello, discussion is running hot 'n heavy over at Occupation of Japan over the flag in this template. There was no de jure official flag of Japan at any time from 1885 until 1999. However, the Hinomaru or "Rising Sun" flag was clearly the de facto flag of Japan at all relevant times. It gets worse.. use of the Hinomaru was severely restricted during early parts of the occupation, but the restrictions were completely lifted a couple years before the occupation ended. The flag that is being used in the template at this moment (it may change by the time you read this) is not even close to being an official flag; it is a naval ensign. I suggest using the Hinomaru with a footnote to a lengthy and well-referenced discussion. I dunno if that solution will reflect consensus, but at present this template does not support the addition of a footnote in the place I would like to see it [beside the "Flag" link]... Thanks! Ling.Nut 06:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Only first 12 out of 15 (or 16) successor states included in the infobox are visible. Alæxis ¿question? 12:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This template includes default headers "Established" and "Disestablished" that are links to pages of the same titles. Apparently this is done through inclusion of the {{ WPFCevent}} template, which automatically links headers if the corresponding page exists. Unfortunately, however, Established redirects to a disambiguation page, and none of the links on that page is relevant to the usage here; and Disestablished redirects to Disestablishmentarianism, which is an entirely irrelevant article. Please fix the template code so that it no longer links to inappropriate articles. -- Russ (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem, at the 1910 area estimate it add "{{{1}}}". What is that? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 17:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not add heads of legislatures? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 17:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)