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Please send all suggestions and feedback to my talk page —
52 Pickup 15:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I will send you a notice that I posted here but for continuity and for histroical reasons all suggestions and feedback should be posted on this page.
I think it looks pretty good so far. I tweaked it a little. Here's what I did:
Suggestion.
1.) You should have an empty syntax field either here or on the template page.
2.) The year of the area need to be displayed. In your German Empire example, the area is from 1914 but is not displayed. Also, maybe a notation stating the height of the empire, e.g.
area
-1891 (at it's zeinth) 5,000,000 km²
Regards, MJCdetroit 16:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes only one area value is known. If you only have one area, this can be for two reasons:
In both cases, it makes the infobox look a little funny, having the area values below the "Area" heading, instead of directly next to it. My coding skills aren't too great (only started on Wikipedia just over a week ago), so if anyone can fix this (both here and for the Historical Province template), I would be very grateful. — 52 Pickup 11:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I have it. The logic now goes like this: if you give a value for "area_year1", it will fill in the area with the year as before. But if no value for "area_year1" is given but a value for "area1" IS given, it will then display the area next to the "Area" heading. If only "areami²1" is given, nothing will be displayed - coding that as well would be far too confusing.
The area for Hanover Province now sits correctly. I have made the chanes to both templates. So far, this seems to work, but there could always be a bug somewhere. — 52 Pickup 20:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In order to clarify the connection to Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries the template has been moved to Template:Infobox Former Country. This was done in order to preserve the edit history and the work that has been done with the template so far. -- Domino theory 06:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some form of problem with the "width" of the infobox. Without an image of 275px present it seems to collapse to the left side. -- Domino theory 22:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The idea of streamlining the preceding and succeeding entries to generate the flags is a very good one, but there leaves one problem. Not a very common problem, but it still happens. If there are a lot of preceding or succeeding entities, the 1-column list of entries will look a bit silly. For example, the Province of Westphalia, which was formed from no less than 11 states. One column of 11 entries in the date navigation box would look pretty silly. At the moment, nothing has been entered in the date navigation box because I do not have the flags or coats of arms for them all. But if I did, I would want to place them in multiple columns so the appearance of the infobox remains satisfactory. For cases like this, my older infoboxes (Historical State and Historical Province) are still needed - of course with the other improvements that you have made to this infobox. Nice work with the automatic generation of categories, too. - 52 Pickup 08:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Excellent job on cleaning up the infobox. All of these new categories will make our work a lot easier in the long run.
Did you notice that someone has placed a succession box at the base of the Allied Occupation Zones in Germany entry? Since we already have that information in the infobox, this new box isn't really necessary. - 52 Pickup 18:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added a few more categories and a few extra fields for the status/empire section. These were needed for unusual examples such as Ducal Prussia - 52 Pickup 17:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
There are two problems with displaying the date for event1, event2, etc.
Any ideas on how to fix this? We will need to sort this out before we start applying the infobox in too many areas. - 52 Pickup 17:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The area in square miles being calculated is pretty neat. However is there a way to insert commas to separate the numbers? I noticed the the calculation error it makes if a comma is inserted. I fixed it on one article. MJCdetroit 05:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried to solve the problem during implementation by not performing the calculation if the value was zero, but since it did not work as expected it was dropped. It looks really neat with the formatting! -- Domino theory 11:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the preceeding states etc. to the bottom, I think this looks much better. - Francis Tyers · 13:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that template navigation, including flag navigation, is an issue that we can discuss and how it may be solved in a better manner. However it is a central component to the function and design of the template and to this project. An alteration like this should not be made unless consensus is achieved.
Besides the navigation feature it has also disrupted a vital feature for the presentation of the entire infobox. Presenting the years of existence near the top of the infobox is one of the things that sets it out and differentiates it from extant entities. Changing this is not a good idea.
I am restoring the design and functionality. --
Domino theory 11:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that you have just moved the section to the bottom once again. The first time you did it was also without consultation or agreement with anyone else. I only let it pass the first time because I was genuinely curious to see how it would look. After a few days, I must stay with my original comments on WPFC and those of Domino theory above: the dates should be at the top since it is this section which distinguishes extinct states from current ones and it deserves a prominent location. Therefore, I agreed with the return of the box to the top. Domino was also right in that consensus is needed - something that I also said the first time before you simply went ahead and made these changes.
And now you have moved it back to the bottom, again without consensus. This is too much. Those of us who have been involved in the construction of this infobox have put a lot of work into it, and we are currently very busy with its further development. All steps that have been taken so far have been done after some level of agreement. Anyone is quite welcome to participate in the development of this infobox and its use, but to simply come along and make such major changes without some level of agreement is just not acceptable.
Admitted, the flag section does look a little unwieldly when there are too many entries used (even with the current limit of 5). That is something that we are currently working on - a number of major uprgrades and cleanups are currently underway. To make such major changes without agreement while we are in the middle of uprgading the template is not on - it is through things like this that major coding errors can be made which can ruin everything. Furthermore, no agreement has been made on change, so no change should be made.
And so I am moving this section back to the top. Please leave it there. Once we have finished the current round or upgrades, then we can discuss things further - and I would like everyone to have a say. But for now: it stays. - 52 Pickup 11:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The use doesn't do any harm. As a note I am happy with the current infobox on SFRJ (as of "(cur) (last) 14:18, 18 November 2006 Domino theory (Talk | contribs) m (Edit temporary infobox location and readd static categories)" this edit). The positioning is just right. Thanks for your consideration :) - Francis Tyers · 17:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
In the Nazi Germany article there are two different references for the same stat_year; one for the population and the other for the area. I managed to get both references in there. It would be nice if there was separate fields for this so that the reference for the area for that year matched and the vice versa with the population. Just an observation. — MJCdetroit 14:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks good; seems to work well. I wouldn't hard-code the <ref></ref> tags into the template either. — MJCdetroit 21:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
Please send all suggestions and feedback to my talk page —
52 Pickup 15:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I will send you a notice that I posted here but for continuity and for histroical reasons all suggestions and feedback should be posted on this page.
I think it looks pretty good so far. I tweaked it a little. Here's what I did:
Suggestion.
1.) You should have an empty syntax field either here or on the template page.
2.) The year of the area need to be displayed. In your German Empire example, the area is from 1914 but is not displayed. Also, maybe a notation stating the height of the empire, e.g.
area
-1891 (at it's zeinth) 5,000,000 km²
Regards, MJCdetroit 16:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes only one area value is known. If you only have one area, this can be for two reasons:
In both cases, it makes the infobox look a little funny, having the area values below the "Area" heading, instead of directly next to it. My coding skills aren't too great (only started on Wikipedia just over a week ago), so if anyone can fix this (both here and for the Historical Province template), I would be very grateful. — 52 Pickup 11:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I have it. The logic now goes like this: if you give a value for "area_year1", it will fill in the area with the year as before. But if no value for "area_year1" is given but a value for "area1" IS given, it will then display the area next to the "Area" heading. If only "areami²1" is given, nothing will be displayed - coding that as well would be far too confusing.
The area for Hanover Province now sits correctly. I have made the chanes to both templates. So far, this seems to work, but there could always be a bug somewhere. — 52 Pickup 20:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
In order to clarify the connection to Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries the template has been moved to Template:Infobox Former Country. This was done in order to preserve the edit history and the work that has been done with the template so far. -- Domino theory 06:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some form of problem with the "width" of the infobox. Without an image of 275px present it seems to collapse to the left side. -- Domino theory 22:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The idea of streamlining the preceding and succeeding entries to generate the flags is a very good one, but there leaves one problem. Not a very common problem, but it still happens. If there are a lot of preceding or succeeding entities, the 1-column list of entries will look a bit silly. For example, the Province of Westphalia, which was formed from no less than 11 states. One column of 11 entries in the date navigation box would look pretty silly. At the moment, nothing has been entered in the date navigation box because I do not have the flags or coats of arms for them all. But if I did, I would want to place them in multiple columns so the appearance of the infobox remains satisfactory. For cases like this, my older infoboxes (Historical State and Historical Province) are still needed - of course with the other improvements that you have made to this infobox. Nice work with the automatic generation of categories, too. - 52 Pickup 08:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Excellent job on cleaning up the infobox. All of these new categories will make our work a lot easier in the long run.
Did you notice that someone has placed a succession box at the base of the Allied Occupation Zones in Germany entry? Since we already have that information in the infobox, this new box isn't really necessary. - 52 Pickup 18:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added a few more categories and a few extra fields for the status/empire section. These were needed for unusual examples such as Ducal Prussia - 52 Pickup 17:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
There are two problems with displaying the date for event1, event2, etc.
Any ideas on how to fix this? We will need to sort this out before we start applying the infobox in too many areas. - 52 Pickup 17:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The area in square miles being calculated is pretty neat. However is there a way to insert commas to separate the numbers? I noticed the the calculation error it makes if a comma is inserted. I fixed it on one article. MJCdetroit 05:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried to solve the problem during implementation by not performing the calculation if the value was zero, but since it did not work as expected it was dropped. It looks really neat with the formatting! -- Domino theory 11:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the preceeding states etc. to the bottom, I think this looks much better. - Francis Tyers · 13:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that template navigation, including flag navigation, is an issue that we can discuss and how it may be solved in a better manner. However it is a central component to the function and design of the template and to this project. An alteration like this should not be made unless consensus is achieved.
Besides the navigation feature it has also disrupted a vital feature for the presentation of the entire infobox. Presenting the years of existence near the top of the infobox is one of the things that sets it out and differentiates it from extant entities. Changing this is not a good idea.
I am restoring the design and functionality. --
Domino theory 11:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that you have just moved the section to the bottom once again. The first time you did it was also without consultation or agreement with anyone else. I only let it pass the first time because I was genuinely curious to see how it would look. After a few days, I must stay with my original comments on WPFC and those of Domino theory above: the dates should be at the top since it is this section which distinguishes extinct states from current ones and it deserves a prominent location. Therefore, I agreed with the return of the box to the top. Domino was also right in that consensus is needed - something that I also said the first time before you simply went ahead and made these changes.
And now you have moved it back to the bottom, again without consensus. This is too much. Those of us who have been involved in the construction of this infobox have put a lot of work into it, and we are currently very busy with its further development. All steps that have been taken so far have been done after some level of agreement. Anyone is quite welcome to participate in the development of this infobox and its use, but to simply come along and make such major changes without some level of agreement is just not acceptable.
Admitted, the flag section does look a little unwieldly when there are too many entries used (even with the current limit of 5). That is something that we are currently working on - a number of major uprgrades and cleanups are currently underway. To make such major changes without agreement while we are in the middle of uprgading the template is not on - it is through things like this that major coding errors can be made which can ruin everything. Furthermore, no agreement has been made on change, so no change should be made.
And so I am moving this section back to the top. Please leave it there. Once we have finished the current round or upgrades, then we can discuss things further - and I would like everyone to have a say. But for now: it stays. - 52 Pickup 11:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The use doesn't do any harm. As a note I am happy with the current infobox on SFRJ (as of "(cur) (last) 14:18, 18 November 2006 Domino theory (Talk | contribs) m (Edit temporary infobox location and readd static categories)" this edit). The positioning is just right. Thanks for your consideration :) - Francis Tyers · 17:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
In the Nazi Germany article there are two different references for the same stat_year; one for the population and the other for the area. I managed to get both references in there. It would be nice if there was separate fields for this so that the reference for the area for that year matched and the vice versa with the population. Just an observation. — MJCdetroit 14:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks good; seems to work well. I wouldn't hard-code the <ref></ref> tags into the template either. — MJCdetroit 21:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)