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The government and opposition parties on Canadian election articles are currently being designated as "Majority party" and "Minority party" in this table. These are not acceptable or even minimally understood terms in the Canadian context (the current government is a "minority party", for one thing) and the box needs to be changed to read "Government" and "Opposition" for Canadian parliamentary elections as it did previously. Bearcat ( talk) 21:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It's extremley wierd... look how it looks! What to do?
{{Infobox Election | election_name = Romanian Presidential election | country = Romania | type = presidential | ongoing = no | party_color = no | previous_election = Romanian presidential election, 2000 | previous_year = 2000 | next_election = Romanian presidential election, 2009 | next_year = 2009 | seats_for_election = | election_date = [[28 November]], [[2004]]<br> [[12 December]], [[2004]] <!-- Basescu --> | image1 = [[Image:Traian Băsescu 2005Mar09.jpg|100px]] | colour1 = fcd7b3 | nominee1 = [[Traian Băsescu]] | leader1 = | leader_since1 = | party1 = Democratic Party (Romania) | home_state1 = | leaders_seat1 = | running_mate1 = | last_election1 = | seats_needed1 = | electoral_vote1 = | states_carried1 = | seats1 = | seat_change1 = | popular_vote1 = | percentage1 = | swing1 = <!-- Nastase --> | image2 = | colour2 = f99 | nominee2 = [[Adrian Năstase]] | leader2 = | leader_since2 = | party2 = Social Democratic Party (Romania) | home_state2 = | leaders_seat2 = | running_mate2 = | last_election2 = | seats_needed2 = | electoral_vote2 = | states_carried2 = | seats2 = | seat_change2 = | popular_vote2 = | percentage2 = | swing2 = <!-- Vadim --> | image3 = | colour3 = fcd7b3 | nominee3 = [[Corneliu Vadim Tudor]] | leader3 = | leader_since3 = | party3 = Greater Romania Party | home_state3 = | leaders_seat3 = | running_mate3 = | last_election3 = | seats_needed3 = | electoral_vote3 = | states_carried3 = | seats3 = | seat_change3 = | popular_vote3 = | percentage3 = | swing3 = <!-- Bela --> | image4 = [[Image:Béla Markó.jpg|100px]] | colour4 = fcd7b3 | nominee4 = [[Markó Béla]] | leader4 = | leader_since4 = | party4 = Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania | home_state4 = | leaders_seat4 = | running_mate4 = | last_election4 = | seats_needed4 = | electoral_vote4 = | states_carried4 = | seats4 = | seat_change4 = | popular_vote4 = | percentage4 = | swing4 = <!-- Ciuhandu --> | image5 = | colour5 = fcd7b3 | nominee5 = [[Gheorghe Ciuhandu]] | leader5 = | leader_since5 = | party5 = Christian-Democratic National Peasants' Party (Romania) | home_state5 = | leaders_seat5 = | running_mate5 = | last_election5 = | seats_needed5 = | electoral_vote5 = | states_carried5 = | seats5 = | seat_change5 = | popular_vote5 = | percentage5 = | swing5 = <!-- others --> | image6 = | colour6 = | nominee6 = and seven others | poll1_date = | poll1_source = | poll1_nominee1 = | poll1_party1 = | poll2_date = | poll2_source = | poll2_nominee1 = | poll2_party1 = | poll1_date = | poll1_source = | poll1_nominee2 = | poll1_party2 = | poll2_date = | poll2_source = | poll2_nominee2 = | poll2_party2 = | map_image = Romania-presidential-2004-by-county.png | map_size = 300px | map_caption = Results of the first round, based on the constituencies (the counties) | title = [[President of Romania|President]] | before_election = [[Ion Iliescu]] | before_colour = f99 | after_election = [[Traian Băsescu]] | after_colour = fcd7b3 | before_party = | after_party = Democratic Party (Romania) }}
ES Vic ( talk) 18:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
| party_color = no
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Philip Stevens (
talk)
13:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
How are the seats won/change be modified? See for example on Philippine general election, 2007, the seats won/change only refers to the Senate. -- Howard the Duck 14:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
would it be odd (or difficult) to change this template in order to fit also as a template for local election articles?
ES Vic ( talk) 11:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Can the text size of this field be shrunk? It seems out of place with its large size to me. -- Padraic 20:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thoughts? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something, the template doesn't seem to work well for countries with a proportional voting system. For example, Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, 2008. This is currently type legislative and it lists majority party and minority party even thought the Maoists don't have a majority. If it's changed to parliamentary type then it will have government and opposition which doesn't work either since there is no government or opposition. Once we have a government it will work slightly better (although I'm not sure there is going to be a real government or simply a defacto government until a constitution is written but that's only because their in a state of flux and is not going to be a long term thing). But the problem is, what to do we do in between the election and when a government is formed? In countries with proportionality voting systems, it's easily possible that even when the seats are known, no government is formed and there is still some doubt about who the next government is going to be. For example, in the New Zealand general election, 2005 it seemed like the Labour would form the next government, but there was uncertainty for about 2 weeks after the elction. While admitedly this was partially because it wasn't the completely final results, this wasn't really the primary reason. And even after the opposition conceded it took about another 2 weeks to form the government. And as far as I'm aware, this isn't really uncommon in countries with proportinality systems. What to we do? Treat it as ongoing even when the election has ended and results known? Say someone is the government even though they aren't and may not even be? Say a party is the majority party even though they clearly aren't? IMHO the template needs to be changed so that it's possible to list the results of a completed election, without suggesting one is a majority or in government Nil Einne ( talk) 11:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This are the types made for the infobox :presidential, legislative, parliamentary, gubernatorial, senatorial and now local elections types (e.g. United Kingdom local elections, 2008) but there is no infobox for referendums and or plebiscites, it is possible we can have an infobox for the referendum and or plebiscites Rizalninoynapoleon ( talk) 05:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
United States presidential election, 1976 and United States presidential election, 1972 illustrate a problem with the template: Even though the map is sized at 400px (which I personally think makes even non-stretched infoboxes a bit wide - maybe 300 or 350 max - see United States presidential election, 1980 for a "normal" example) The caption below the map allows the infobox to inflate very wide. We need some way of maximizing the infobox's width either as a mandate (always X pixels wide) or as a field option (width=?). And United States presidential election, 1968 with three candidates is just rediculous. Far too wide. TheHYPO ( talk) 06:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
The government and opposition parties on Canadian election articles are currently being designated as "Majority party" and "Minority party" in this table. These are not acceptable or even minimally understood terms in the Canadian context (the current government is a "minority party", for one thing) and the box needs to be changed to read "Government" and "Opposition" for Canadian parliamentary elections as it did previously. Bearcat ( talk) 21:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It's extremley wierd... look how it looks! What to do?
{{Infobox Election | election_name = Romanian Presidential election | country = Romania | type = presidential | ongoing = no | party_color = no | previous_election = Romanian presidential election, 2000 | previous_year = 2000 | next_election = Romanian presidential election, 2009 | next_year = 2009 | seats_for_election = | election_date = [[28 November]], [[2004]]<br> [[12 December]], [[2004]] <!-- Basescu --> | image1 = [[Image:Traian Băsescu 2005Mar09.jpg|100px]] | colour1 = fcd7b3 | nominee1 = [[Traian Băsescu]] | leader1 = | leader_since1 = | party1 = Democratic Party (Romania) | home_state1 = | leaders_seat1 = | running_mate1 = | last_election1 = | seats_needed1 = | electoral_vote1 = | states_carried1 = | seats1 = | seat_change1 = | popular_vote1 = | percentage1 = | swing1 = <!-- Nastase --> | image2 = | colour2 = f99 | nominee2 = [[Adrian Năstase]] | leader2 = | leader_since2 = | party2 = Social Democratic Party (Romania) | home_state2 = | leaders_seat2 = | running_mate2 = | last_election2 = | seats_needed2 = | electoral_vote2 = | states_carried2 = | seats2 = | seat_change2 = | popular_vote2 = | percentage2 = | swing2 = <!-- Vadim --> | image3 = | colour3 = fcd7b3 | nominee3 = [[Corneliu Vadim Tudor]] | leader3 = | leader_since3 = | party3 = Greater Romania Party | home_state3 = | leaders_seat3 = | running_mate3 = | last_election3 = | seats_needed3 = | electoral_vote3 = | states_carried3 = | seats3 = | seat_change3 = | popular_vote3 = | percentage3 = | swing3 = <!-- Bela --> | image4 = [[Image:Béla Markó.jpg|100px]] | colour4 = fcd7b3 | nominee4 = [[Markó Béla]] | leader4 = | leader_since4 = | party4 = Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania | home_state4 = | leaders_seat4 = | running_mate4 = | last_election4 = | seats_needed4 = | electoral_vote4 = | states_carried4 = | seats4 = | seat_change4 = | popular_vote4 = | percentage4 = | swing4 = <!-- Ciuhandu --> | image5 = | colour5 = fcd7b3 | nominee5 = [[Gheorghe Ciuhandu]] | leader5 = | leader_since5 = | party5 = Christian-Democratic National Peasants' Party (Romania) | home_state5 = | leaders_seat5 = | running_mate5 = | last_election5 = | seats_needed5 = | electoral_vote5 = | states_carried5 = | seats5 = | seat_change5 = | popular_vote5 = | percentage5 = | swing5 = <!-- others --> | image6 = | colour6 = | nominee6 = and seven others | poll1_date = | poll1_source = | poll1_nominee1 = | poll1_party1 = | poll2_date = | poll2_source = | poll2_nominee1 = | poll2_party1 = | poll1_date = | poll1_source = | poll1_nominee2 = | poll1_party2 = | poll2_date = | poll2_source = | poll2_nominee2 = | poll2_party2 = | map_image = Romania-presidential-2004-by-county.png | map_size = 300px | map_caption = Results of the first round, based on the constituencies (the counties) | title = [[President of Romania|President]] | before_election = [[Ion Iliescu]] | before_colour = f99 | after_election = [[Traian Băsescu]] | after_colour = fcd7b3 | before_party = | after_party = Democratic Party (Romania) }}
ES Vic ( talk) 18:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
| party_color = no
. --
Philip Stevens (
talk)
13:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
How are the seats won/change be modified? See for example on Philippine general election, 2007, the seats won/change only refers to the Senate. -- Howard the Duck 14:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
would it be odd (or difficult) to change this template in order to fit also as a template for local election articles?
ES Vic ( talk) 11:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Can the text size of this field be shrunk? It seems out of place with its large size to me. -- Padraic 20:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thoughts? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something, the template doesn't seem to work well for countries with a proportional voting system. For example, Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, 2008. This is currently type legislative and it lists majority party and minority party even thought the Maoists don't have a majority. If it's changed to parliamentary type then it will have government and opposition which doesn't work either since there is no government or opposition. Once we have a government it will work slightly better (although I'm not sure there is going to be a real government or simply a defacto government until a constitution is written but that's only because their in a state of flux and is not going to be a long term thing). But the problem is, what to do we do in between the election and when a government is formed? In countries with proportionality voting systems, it's easily possible that even when the seats are known, no government is formed and there is still some doubt about who the next government is going to be. For example, in the New Zealand general election, 2005 it seemed like the Labour would form the next government, but there was uncertainty for about 2 weeks after the elction. While admitedly this was partially because it wasn't the completely final results, this wasn't really the primary reason. And even after the opposition conceded it took about another 2 weeks to form the government. And as far as I'm aware, this isn't really uncommon in countries with proportinality systems. What to we do? Treat it as ongoing even when the election has ended and results known? Say someone is the government even though they aren't and may not even be? Say a party is the majority party even though they clearly aren't? IMHO the template needs to be changed so that it's possible to list the results of a completed election, without suggesting one is a majority or in government Nil Einne ( talk) 11:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This are the types made for the infobox :presidential, legislative, parliamentary, gubernatorial, senatorial and now local elections types (e.g. United Kingdom local elections, 2008) but there is no infobox for referendums and or plebiscites, it is possible we can have an infobox for the referendum and or plebiscites Rizalninoynapoleon ( talk) 05:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
United States presidential election, 1976 and United States presidential election, 1972 illustrate a problem with the template: Even though the map is sized at 400px (which I personally think makes even non-stretched infoboxes a bit wide - maybe 300 or 350 max - see United States presidential election, 1980 for a "normal" example) The caption below the map allows the infobox to inflate very wide. We need some way of maximizing the infobox's width either as a mandate (always X pixels wide) or as a field option (width=?). And United States presidential election, 1968 with three candidates is just rediculous. Far too wide. TheHYPO ( talk) 06:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)