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I'm thinking that color's should be standardised, probably to #AAD0FF. Thoughts? -- Mk3severo 13:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The color should be yellow. It represents the sport. People who otherwise have no clue what cycling is will recognize the color yellow. Most major race leaders receieve a yellow jersey. The sport is much larger than the Tour, Vuelta and Giro now. I understand that Vuelta is gold and Giro is pink but those are rare exceptions. In the 21st century, yellow will be universally known as the race leaders jersey, throughout the world. What other races recieve a leaders jersey other than Yellow? --
Tdforbust (
talk) 20:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Similar to the change made to Template:Infobox sports league, I added a current event parameter, which is designed to reduce the clutter at the top of the article by putting the current banner inside the infobox. Severo 09:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Today the cyclist with the most stages has been added to the infobox, and removed, and added again. I am completely neutral here; I reverted it because the last change broke the template and almost all articles with this template stopped working. If you want to add something to a template, (even if you're 100% right that it should be added), it is wise to discuss it first, or at least give arguments for the change. And also make sure that your changes do not break the template. Thank you-- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 19:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for breaking the template, the first one , yesterday, did not break the template because I edited it. I need to start using the preview option. Today I am busy during the day , working as most people do , who do not edit wikipedia all day long, so I made the mistake and forgot a part of the code. To the point, not only should the template include most stage wins, it should include most days in the leaders jersey , as well as all time mountains jerseys/most total days in mountain jesey and all time sprint jerseys/most total days in sprint jersey. These feats are just as important as the overall winner. One day races will not need to be edited but stage races are more complicated and these things need to be listed in the template. If you have overall winner records you need the others. I understand that "Severo" created the template a few years ago and has had total control over it but , it needs to be expanded and if you do not comprehend that or wish to do it, others will do the work. That is what wikipedia is for. --
Tdforbust (
talk) 20:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
If you want people to use the template you need to be maliable , there are many races out there where people have created their own template. I chose to participate in your template while updating Vuelta Mexico, so now you need to not undo peoples work. Both of you Severo and EdgeNavidad both edited my work, some of it is appreciated but I feel now that it was done resentfully. To say , Severo, that most stage wins is "unencyclopaedic" makes no sense, and it you are just mad that someone has entered your world. I do not understand why you can edit my work but you undid my update to the templates. If it creates more work for you, then you should have thought about these things when you originally created the template. I feel like I care more about this than do you because you did not even capitalize your sentences in the template parameters. -- Tdforbust ( talk) 20:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to update the template as per my specifications in 12 hours if I do not recieve any input. It is unfair that you can edit my work to Vuelta Mexico but you undo my expansion of this template. -- Tdforbust ( talk) 04:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the UCIAmericaTour.jpg image, if I were to upload my own fair use image specifically for this article, would that be permitted? -- Tdforbust ( talk) 21:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The following are updates I propose to the Parameters. As a working example , please view the article for "Vuelta Mexico Telmex". The alterations included a contemporary view of races in relation to the UCI, which is the main governing body. Cycling is very unorganized but the UCI is what we have to go off of. I understand that this takes work but if you created race articles you should know well enough how to update the following categories which I have proposed. Some races are simply Pro Tour Races and some include Pro Continental along with Pro Tour and some only include Continental Teams, and some only include Local Regional Teams. This will allow for a quick understanding by the reader, as to what the level of competition is for the race. I also am going to propose a slight altering to the sequence eventually...
{{{region}}} — Area in which the race is held. i.e :
City, State, Country, Continent.
{{{english}}} — Name in english
{{{localnames}}} —
Deliniated list for local names, use {{xx icon}}
(where xx is the two letter language code) after the name to indicate language
{{{nickname}}} — Nickname (if any), if a local nickname then also supply a translation
{{{discipline}}} — Mens / Womens, Road / Track/ Cyclo-cross, Race / Stage Race / Indiv. TT / Team TT, etc.
{{{competitors}}} —
Deliniated list of UCI classifications, or lack thereof, for teams competing. i.e. :
UCI Pro Tour / UCI Pro Cont / UCI Cont / UCI National Teams / UCI National Juniors / UCI National U23 / Local Regional Teams, etc.
{{{type}}} — Race classification, i.e. :
UCI Pro Tour / UCI Continental Tour, National / Local amateurs, etc. Then PT, 2.HC, 2.1, 2.2, 1.HC, 1.1, 1.2, etc.
-- Tdforbust ( talk) 20:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
“ | Is the field of value?
How important is the field to the articles that will use the infobox? Is it summary information, or more extended detail that may be better placed within the body of an article? |
” |
What are we trying to say with the fields? I think first is the discipline (i.e. road, cyclo-cross etc) and type (i.e. one-day or stage race), and second the level of competition. We currently achieve this through three fields although I think we could actually do it in just two. I do not believe we need to "indoctrinate" readers into the UCI's classification for teams, which changes fairly easily and regularly anyway. All we need to do in the infobox is indicate if it's a top-level race or one lower down - which the Competition field achieves. I think noting the teams classifications in the infobox actually confuses the reader further at that point of the article. I don't have any problem if the information is written in the article. Finally just to think about the lower end races - I think we can only consider UCI-classified races as inherently notable and so we can only really consider those races when designing this infobox. Severo T C 10:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have introduced some tracking categories for this template's usage. The first ( Category:Infobox cycling race articles using param (last)) tracks which articles use the {{{final}}} parameter (formerly {{{last}}}) as this should match the articles categories in Category:Defunct cycling races. The second ( Category:Infobox cycling race articles using param (current event)) track which articles are marked with a current event to ensure that none is left too long after the current event by mistake.
I am looking at next making tracking capability to measure the most recent updates to races. Currently, many instances of the infobox use a qualifier such as "(as of 2010)" as part of the number of editions. I am looking at how we can make this standard to track any that get lost when a race disappears of the calendar without much attention. The options including using an existing templates such as {{ as of}}, creating an additional field in the infobox or by employing some more advanced code to recognise the existing "as of 2010" and to assign a catgeory based on that. Severo T C 07:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
How about an 'official website' parameter? Qwfp ( talk) 13:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
In 2016 Vuelta a Costa Rica, this template calls wikidata:Q28057330. That Wikidata item links to José Vega, which is a DAB page. The link shows as black in the article, but it can be seen in the what links here. This is a WP:INTDAB error, and User:DPL bot is complaining about it. Can anyone fix this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I've a query about {{ Cycling race/stageclassification}} but, as it doesn't have active talk, I hope watchers of this page may be able to help.
2019 Tour Colombia lists a cyclist called William Muñoz but cleverly avoids linking to William Muñoz which redirects to a wrestler. However, it does link to Daniel Muñoz, which is a disambiguation page. Is William Muñoz blacklisted somewhere? Can we add Daniel Muñoz to that list, along with similar cases such as Aleksandr Smirnov? Certes ( talk) 11:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC) Please see also João Rodrigues in 2019 Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana. Certes ( talk) 17:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Would it be worth having a distance parameter? It would be useful at least for one-day races. Crookesmoor ( talk) 18:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Infobox cycling race template. |
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Infoboxes | ||||
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Cycling Template‑class | |||||||
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I'm thinking that color's should be standardised, probably to #AAD0FF. Thoughts? -- Mk3severo 13:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The color should be yellow. It represents the sport. People who otherwise have no clue what cycling is will recognize the color yellow. Most major race leaders receieve a yellow jersey. The sport is much larger than the Tour, Vuelta and Giro now. I understand that Vuelta is gold and Giro is pink but those are rare exceptions. In the 21st century, yellow will be universally known as the race leaders jersey, throughout the world. What other races recieve a leaders jersey other than Yellow? --
Tdforbust (
talk) 20:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Similar to the change made to Template:Infobox sports league, I added a current event parameter, which is designed to reduce the clutter at the top of the article by putting the current banner inside the infobox. Severo 09:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Today the cyclist with the most stages has been added to the infobox, and removed, and added again. I am completely neutral here; I reverted it because the last change broke the template and almost all articles with this template stopped working. If you want to add something to a template, (even if you're 100% right that it should be added), it is wise to discuss it first, or at least give arguments for the change. And also make sure that your changes do not break the template. Thank you-- EdgeNavidad ( talk) 19:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for breaking the template, the first one , yesterday, did not break the template because I edited it. I need to start using the preview option. Today I am busy during the day , working as most people do , who do not edit wikipedia all day long, so I made the mistake and forgot a part of the code. To the point, not only should the template include most stage wins, it should include most days in the leaders jersey , as well as all time mountains jerseys/most total days in mountain jesey and all time sprint jerseys/most total days in sprint jersey. These feats are just as important as the overall winner. One day races will not need to be edited but stage races are more complicated and these things need to be listed in the template. If you have overall winner records you need the others. I understand that "Severo" created the template a few years ago and has had total control over it but , it needs to be expanded and if you do not comprehend that or wish to do it, others will do the work. That is what wikipedia is for. --
Tdforbust (
talk) 20:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
If you want people to use the template you need to be maliable , there are many races out there where people have created their own template. I chose to participate in your template while updating Vuelta Mexico, so now you need to not undo peoples work. Both of you Severo and EdgeNavidad both edited my work, some of it is appreciated but I feel now that it was done resentfully. To say , Severo, that most stage wins is "unencyclopaedic" makes no sense, and it you are just mad that someone has entered your world. I do not understand why you can edit my work but you undid my update to the templates. If it creates more work for you, then you should have thought about these things when you originally created the template. I feel like I care more about this than do you because you did not even capitalize your sentences in the template parameters. -- Tdforbust ( talk) 20:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
I am going to update the template as per my specifications in 12 hours if I do not recieve any input. It is unfair that you can edit my work to Vuelta Mexico but you undo my expansion of this template. -- Tdforbust ( talk) 04:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the UCIAmericaTour.jpg image, if I were to upload my own fair use image specifically for this article, would that be permitted? -- Tdforbust ( talk) 21:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The following are updates I propose to the Parameters. As a working example , please view the article for "Vuelta Mexico Telmex". The alterations included a contemporary view of races in relation to the UCI, which is the main governing body. Cycling is very unorganized but the UCI is what we have to go off of. I understand that this takes work but if you created race articles you should know well enough how to update the following categories which I have proposed. Some races are simply Pro Tour Races and some include Pro Continental along with Pro Tour and some only include Continental Teams, and some only include Local Regional Teams. This will allow for a quick understanding by the reader, as to what the level of competition is for the race. I also am going to propose a slight altering to the sequence eventually...
{{{region}}} — Area in which the race is held. i.e :
City, State, Country, Continent.
{{{english}}} — Name in english
{{{localnames}}} —
Deliniated list for local names, use {{xx icon}}
(where xx is the two letter language code) after the name to indicate language
{{{nickname}}} — Nickname (if any), if a local nickname then also supply a translation
{{{discipline}}} — Mens / Womens, Road / Track/ Cyclo-cross, Race / Stage Race / Indiv. TT / Team TT, etc.
{{{competitors}}} —
Deliniated list of UCI classifications, or lack thereof, for teams competing. i.e. :
UCI Pro Tour / UCI Pro Cont / UCI Cont / UCI National Teams / UCI National Juniors / UCI National U23 / Local Regional Teams, etc.
{{{type}}} — Race classification, i.e. :
UCI Pro Tour / UCI Continental Tour, National / Local amateurs, etc. Then PT, 2.HC, 2.1, 2.2, 1.HC, 1.1, 1.2, etc.
-- Tdforbust ( talk) 20:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
“ | Is the field of value?
How important is the field to the articles that will use the infobox? Is it summary information, or more extended detail that may be better placed within the body of an article? |
” |
What are we trying to say with the fields? I think first is the discipline (i.e. road, cyclo-cross etc) and type (i.e. one-day or stage race), and second the level of competition. We currently achieve this through three fields although I think we could actually do it in just two. I do not believe we need to "indoctrinate" readers into the UCI's classification for teams, which changes fairly easily and regularly anyway. All we need to do in the infobox is indicate if it's a top-level race or one lower down - which the Competition field achieves. I think noting the teams classifications in the infobox actually confuses the reader further at that point of the article. I don't have any problem if the information is written in the article. Finally just to think about the lower end races - I think we can only consider UCI-classified races as inherently notable and so we can only really consider those races when designing this infobox. Severo T C 10:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have introduced some tracking categories for this template's usage. The first ( Category:Infobox cycling race articles using param (last)) tracks which articles use the {{{final}}} parameter (formerly {{{last}}}) as this should match the articles categories in Category:Defunct cycling races. The second ( Category:Infobox cycling race articles using param (current event)) track which articles are marked with a current event to ensure that none is left too long after the current event by mistake.
I am looking at next making tracking capability to measure the most recent updates to races. Currently, many instances of the infobox use a qualifier such as "(as of 2010)" as part of the number of editions. I am looking at how we can make this standard to track any that get lost when a race disappears of the calendar without much attention. The options including using an existing templates such as {{ as of}}, creating an additional field in the infobox or by employing some more advanced code to recognise the existing "as of 2010" and to assign a catgeory based on that. Severo T C 07:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
How about an 'official website' parameter? Qwfp ( talk) 13:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
In 2016 Vuelta a Costa Rica, this template calls wikidata:Q28057330. That Wikidata item links to José Vega, which is a DAB page. The link shows as black in the article, but it can be seen in the what links here. This is a WP:INTDAB error, and User:DPL bot is complaining about it. Can anyone fix this problem? Narky Blert ( talk) 14:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I've a query about {{ Cycling race/stageclassification}} but, as it doesn't have active talk, I hope watchers of this page may be able to help.
2019 Tour Colombia lists a cyclist called William Muñoz but cleverly avoids linking to William Muñoz which redirects to a wrestler. However, it does link to Daniel Muñoz, which is a disambiguation page. Is William Muñoz blacklisted somewhere? Can we add Daniel Muñoz to that list, along with similar cases such as Aleksandr Smirnov? Certes ( talk) 11:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC) Please see also João Rodrigues in 2019 Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana. Certes ( talk) 17:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Would it be worth having a distance parameter? It would be useful at least for one-day races. Crookesmoor ( talk) 18:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)